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moderated Event: Linode downtime to patch a crash #downtime - Thursday, 17 October 2019 #downtime #cal-invite

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Linode downtime to patch a crash #downtime

When:
Thursday, 17 October 2019
2:00am to 4:00am
(UTC-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

Our hosting provider, Linode, has to patch all the physical machines our service runs on. This downtime corresponds to the patching of our main database instance. The site will be down potentially for up to two hours, although I believe it will be much less than that.

This downtime starts at 9:00AM UTC.

Mail will be queued during the downtime and will be sent when we are back on-line. I will be sleepy the next day.


moderated Re: California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

Bob Bellizzi
 

Well Mark, we squeaked by and hope you did also.
Apparently Piggy (PG&E) made unannounced changes to their selected blackout maps and we were spared.
Santa  Cruz county was pretty much dark.
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Proposal for Database Changes

JenniferEverSews
 

yes, what Pamela said ... would be a very welcome change.
thank you, 
Jennifer 
========
Pamela wrote:
please can we have a PRINT function :)

Pamela who spends hours every month exporting databases, editing the csv spreadsheet and then printing our databases!


moderated Re: Proposal for Database Changes

Pamela Tatt
 

And ... please please please can we have a PRINT function :)

Pamela who spends hours every month exporting databases, editing the csv spreadsheet and then printing our databases!


moderated Proposal for Database Changes

Bob Bellizzi
 

I started this list a couple of months ago and since then I've added/deleted ideas.
I've tried to keep the list as short as I could to provide functions that would enhance Database operation and use.

Suggestions for Databases Function:

1.       Setup Option in premium to initially open in List or Map mode.

2.       Setup Option in premium to allow owners/moderators, based on `1 above, to force DB to stay in List or Map mode permanently or be switchable between. 

3.       Setup option to hide Index/Record number

4.       In Premium/Enterprise groups, when searching, retain the current (List or Map) mode.

5.       Provide Reset/Resequence Index command

a.       with a “Set Index Increment” function  to allow spacing/insertion between records.

b.      Or with a preset “Increment of 10 to allow spacing/insertion.

6.       Provide “Insert Record Before/After Record #” function when Index Increment >1

7.       Retain column headings when scrolling.  Currently they disappear.

 

8.       Always go to List mode when importing tables or rows; then, when complete, return to default mode from setup.
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

Bob Bellizzi
 

Well if you've ever lived where there has been an extended outage in both time and area, you would worry about the restart capability of such a huge network of generators and users.  Just resyncing 100 and more generators is time consuming.
But this isn't just Northern Callifornia, Southern California Edison is also in the mix.

Oh well, this is a good earthquake/any disaster exercise for us.
We had already started a local Disaster Group at groups.io to common sharing and access of information and resources.

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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

Glenn Glazer
 

On 10/9/2019 13:29, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:26 PM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

Speaking as someone working for a company with a huge colo presence, if they don't have failover power, it's time to switch data centers. Or go to the cloud.


Oh, I know they do have failover power, both battery and generator. But if we're talking about 5 days of no electricity, that's something I'd be concerned about.

Thanks,
Mark

Ah, gotcha. From what I've read (I live in Northern California), the outages aren't supposed to be more than 2-4 days.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

 

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:26 PM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

Speaking as someone working for a company with a huge colo presence, if they don't have failover power, it's time to switch data centers. Or go to the cloud.


Oh, I know they do have failover power, both battery and generator. But if we're talking about 5 days of no electricity, that's something I'd be concerned about.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

Glenn Glazer
 

On 10/9/2019 13:21, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:05 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

I know where you reside but not where your servers are.
Might they be affected by  the Planned Shutoffs which  can last up to 5 days?
Our home has Battery Backup Grid tie solar so hopefully we will generate enough  for basics.

Good question. The machines are in a datacenter in Fremont, Ca. Looking at the PG&E outage maps, it seems that parts of Fremont are scheduled to lose power. I don't know if that includes the datacenter. I would hope that we would have received notice if that was the case. In any event, I have a support ticket open to see if I can get verification that the datacenter will continue to have power. If I hear of any interruptions, I will let you know. Things seem to be quite fluid at the moment unfortunately.

Thanks,
Mark 

Speaking as someone working for a company with a huge colo presence, if they don't have failover power, it's time to switch data centers. Or go to the cloud.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

 

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:05 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

I know where you reside but not where your servers are.
Might they be affected by  the Planned Shutoffs which  can last up to 5 days?
Our home has Battery Backup Grid tie solar so hopefully we will generate enough  for basics.

Good question. The machines are in a datacenter in Fremont, Ca. Looking at the PG&E outage maps, it seems that parts of Fremont are scheduled to lose power. I don't know if that includes the datacenter. I would hope that we would have received notice if that was the case. In any event, I have a support ticket open to see if I can get verification that the datacenter will continue to have power. If I hear of any interruptions, I will let you know. Things seem to be quite fluid at the moment unfortunately.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated California Utilities' Planned Power Shutoffs today through Saturday to affect 6 to 8 hundred thousand people

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,
I know where you reside but not where your servers are.
Might they be affected by  the Planned Shutoffs which  can last up to 5 days?
Our home has Battery Backup Grid tie solar so hopefully we will generate enough  for basics.

--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Email list

 

We don't support subscribing one list to another and cannot guarantee that it would ever work.

Mark

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 11:56 PM Technotronic Dimensions <steve@...> wrote:
Ok well YAHOO decided to remove the integration email from the member list, so no more posts are coming in. Turns out the
integration email address is too long I believe.

As a solution would creating a subgroup serve as an integration where the email to post to that should be short enough to work,
then can I add the post-to address of the main group as a subscriber so it works?


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Marina
 

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 06:18 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

- NEW: Added subject checks for 'ris:' and 'r: ' which can indicate a message
is a reply.
Thank you for helping our non English-language group, Mark.
Have a nice week,
Marina


moderated Re: Email list

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Ok well YAHOO decided to remove the integration email from the member list, so no more posts are coming in. Turns out the
integration email address is too long I believe.

As a solution would creating a subgroup serve as an integration where the email to post to that should be short enough to work,
then can I add the post-to address of the main group as a subscriber so it works?


moderated Re: Should notifications be optional?

 

Mark,

J wrote:

I think they absolutely have to be optional for moderators.
I can almost see uses for moderators being able to upload files (or to take some other "notified" actions) without creating a notification entry. Mods / owners are particularly likely to undertake setup and organization tasks that might otherwise create a lot of nuisance notification items.

I would not want members to be able to do so.

If this is implemented I think it should not be piggy-backed on the existing checkbox, if that one remains, but should be a separate one with a clear name and description. For example:

|_| Do Not Notify

Checking this box prevents the generation of web or email notification
to group members for this upload.

Shal


moderated Re: Should notifications be optional?

 

Mark,

In the new system, should these checkboxes exist?
That depends.

That is, should the person adding the file/creating the event/starting
the chat/etc continue to have the option to not notify the group?
No.

Let me unpack those two answers:

The checkbox currently says "Notify Members" members, but what it really means is "Message the group" - it creates a message that posts to the group's Messages/Topics and is sent to members per their Subscription Email options.

The new notices are different beasts. They don't become part of the group's Messages/Topics and are sent to members (or not) per the member's subscription Notifications options. Unlike messages, which ordinary members likely receive by email, I expect that only a few advanced members will enable email notifications, most will stick with the default "Web/App only.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/22228

So I would say if the checkbox remains then it continues to do what it does now, and checked or not should not affect the generation of an item in the notification system.

My inclination would be to remove the checkbox and thereby remove the "message the group" function they currently perform.

Shal


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Glenn Glazer
 

On 10/4/2019 21:18, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: More work on the upcoming notifications system.
  • INTERNAL: Much work to revamp the activity log system to support webhook API functionality.
  • BUGFIX: The /getmembers API endpoint would return all members, including banned and pending members, if you didn't specify a type, instead of only returning normal members, which it should do.
  • NEW: Added subject checks for 'ris:' and 'r: ' which can indicate a message is a reply.
  • CHANGE: Changed the file upload notification so that only one notification is generated regardless of the number of files/directories that are uploaded.

Thank you, this is a big improvement!

Best,

Glenn

  • API: Added /getphoto endpoint.
  • API: Added display_name, user_name, profile_photo_url, profile_privacy, email fields to the photo object.
  • API: Added /reportcontent endpoint.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark



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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: More work on the upcoming notifications system.
  • INTERNAL: Much work to revamp the activity log system to support webhook API functionality.
  • BUGFIX: The /getmembers API endpoint would return all members, including banned and pending members, if you didn't specify a type, instead of only returning normal members, which it should do.
  • NEW: Added subject checks for 'ris:' and 'r: ' which can indicate a message is a reply.
  • CHANGE: Changed the file upload notification so that only one notification is generated regardless of the number of files/directories that are uploaded.
  • API: Added /getphoto endpoint.
  • API: Added display_name, user_name, profile_photo_url, profile_privacy, email fields to the photo object.
  • API: Added /reportcontent endpoint.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Should notifications be optional?

 

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 11:21 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I believe they should exist (for all items) if turning them off isn't going to be a group setting, with a default of off.  I'd also like to see it set so that someone can't send multiple notifications (of the same type?) within a short time if they can't be turned off.  (A recent reason for this is the Upload Directory where a notification is sent for each file uploaded.  In a test, that resulted in over 100 notifications!)

I've just changed the file upload/modified notification so that it should only send out one notification regardless of the number of files that are uploaded.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Basic message filtering #suggestion

AG1P Ron
 

We’ve been doing that but certain companies just have others or their followers join and once they clear moderation, post. With 2,000 members it is difficult to control without impacting normal information sharing.  It’s been like playing the Whack-A-Mole game seen in airports - knock one mole down and another pops up somewhere else.

Ron

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Jones via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 8:36 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Basic message filtering #suggestion

 

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 04:33 PM, AG1P Ron wrote:

We're trying to prevent commercial advertising on our non-profit reflector.

I have to ask just how is commercial advertising turning up? Is it "rogue" members doing it? If so just put them on moderation, permanently if necessary.

Chris

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