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moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

J,

Gerald, thanks for that, great idea. I haven't checked out what
happens with attachments, etc., but I'm glad to see this feature is
already here.
Maybe it would be better as a blue "Preview" button below the message box, together with the Green "Reply to Group" and red "Discard" buttons. That way more people might know it exists, and might use it to advantage.

Shal


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

And now I'm locking this topic as it's been beaten enough.

Mark


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

It's not present on an Android phablet.  But I don't expect mobile platforms to directly mirror the desktop environment any more than I expect the online interface to directly mirror the e-mail interface.

It would be nice if it could be included, though.

There are limitations imposed by the selection of working environment, though not all are impossible to remedy.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

<<<Clearly the original "wish" has been granted, before it was even made. >>>

Again, preview eyeball isn’t always present . Maybe Mark doesn’t know about that?

Not on iOS 6s phone, iPad Pro,
Anyone verify it on an android tablet?


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 03:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
A forced preview is not a bad thing.
Just as a data point, the "antique" software I mentioned earlier does exactly this.  The button is "Preview/Post Message," after pressing this the preview pops up, then you confirm with a "Post" button.

Personally, I prefer to choose to preview or not, but where it is forced it's just a part of the process.

Clearly the original "wish" has been granted, before it was even made.  For some of the more obscure features (and any complex software, including Groups.io, has plenty of those) they're easy to either overlook or have no idea they even exist until you ask about them.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Duane
 

Unless it's part of a software 'package' that would be difficult to 'break apart', it seems that adding the Preview icon/function to the composition window should cover the request.

Duane


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 03:53 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It’s very standard
[Preview Function] (we're crossing posts here, but to keep flow in this case one has to)    It's the rule, not the exception.  And as we've already found, there is one here, it's just not quite as obvious how to get to it as I'm accustomed to.

Any time I have a post of fairly extensive length, and definitely when it includes images with captions, I always preview it.  You can and will occasionally get results that one would not have predicted and it's nice to be able to not have that unpleasant surprise factor for your readership.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Exactly, Chris, ‘training’ has no relevance to this discussion.


On Jan 12, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:43 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements…
Of whom, by whom?

Chris

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J

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locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

Maybe a better question might be: why do you think groups.io actually already provides a preview function if preview is so useless in your opinion? 😊

On Jan 12, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@...> wrote:

Received from J_Catlady at 1/12/2019 05:43 PM UTC:

I use moderation on myself as a substitute for a "preview" function...

Why would one need a preview FUNCTION? Why not just proofread what you've written before sending it?

Jim H



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:43 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements…
Of whom, by whom?

Chris


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

 

Lol. Weird backlash to this request. It’s very standard and understandable.


On Jan 12, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
Why would one need a preview FUNCTION?
Because many of us want to actually see how a message will appear, in its entirety, to all its recipients.  It's not about proofreading (though that's certainly a part of it) but about assessing layout.   

WYSIWYG is hardly a new, or controversial, feature.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
Why would one need a preview FUNCTION?
Because many of us want to actually see how a message will appear, in its entirety, to all its recipients.  It's not about proofreading (though that's certainly a part of it) but about assessing layout.   

WYSIWYG is hardly a new, or controversial, feature.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 

     I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

           ~ Jay Gould, U.S. financier & railroad robber baron (1836 - 1892)


locked Re: Allow mods with appropriate privileges to edit messages in a locked topic #suggestion

Jim Higgins
 

Received from J_Catlady at 1/12/2019 05:43 PM UTC:

I use moderation on myself as a substitute for a "preview" function...

Why would one need a preview FUNCTION? Why not just proofread what you've written before sending it?

Jim H


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 12:53 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
As a moderator, I am using self-moderation in order to preview my posts. I can do this for both email and web posts. For non-moderator members, it might be nice to provide a "preview" feature for their web posts, as exists in some other forums; they would click "send," be shown a preview of how their post would actually look, allowed to edit it, and then "confirm" (or whatever verbiage is desired).

Since I can predict that some groups would object strenuously to this "extra step," it could be made a group option.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

A forced preview is not a bad thing. For anyone. I certainly would not object to one addl click. 
Just sayin. 

That’s why I have any auto send turned off on outlook. It’s SAVED by rear many times to be forced to Send what’s in my outbox!!!


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

I don’t think it shows on a “device”   The icon does show up on a PC under the advanced options. 

There’s other quirks on a device (at least iPhone) can’t select a line or two of text - try and it selects the entire page.  So basically impossible to bold, underline  etc. 

-k


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

One issue with advanced options is that, if you “Edit” a msg, the Insert Image icon isn’t available. 

Maybe a topic for another topic. 

-ken


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
self-moderation is also a PITA.
Yes, it is.

Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements
Not really, in this case.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, J_Catlady <@J_Catlady> wrote:

Emailing a message to oneself in order to preview it I would find a bit of a PITA and doesn't allow editing, etc.
One edits and then resends to oneself, etc.

Anything besides a real preview (including self-moderation) is more or less an inconvenient hack.
I understand self-moderation is also a PITA.


I support this and other suggestions for additional flexibility of group functions in Groups.io that do not diminish or remove functions for others.

Of course, one could always just push for ‘better training’ instead of improvements…


moderated Re: "preview" function for web posts #suggestion

 

Emailing a message to oneself in order to preview it I would find a bit of a PITA and doesn't allow editing, etc. Anything besides a real preview (including self-moderation) is more or less an inconvenient hack.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: offlist re your moderation question in GMF

 

Sorry, folks, that was meant to be offlist but I might as well leave it up.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu