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Re: Integration message moderation change

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 07:47 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This change is definitely causing issues for some groups, especially around calendar notifications/invites. So I think I need to do something.
If folks wanted their various integrations, calendar notices, etc to be moderated, they have always had the ability to edit the corresponding hashtags and/or integration settings to make that happen. To be honest, I feel the best path forward is to revert this change.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: ability to override two-week timeout on subscription requests #suggestion

 

In essence, a claim would have the effect of claiming the pending sub not just away from other mods, but also from the timeout procedure.


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Shal,

Interesting thought. I actually think it could make a lot of sense. If a mod claims a pending member, then they're "responsible" for either approving or rejecting the subscription, and timeout should not be needed anyway. Plus, making a claim bypass the timeout lets the mod take whatever time they need to deal with the application. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: ability to override two-week timeout on subscription requests #suggestion

 

Shal,

Interesting thought. I actually think it could make a lot of sense. If a mod claims a pending member, then they're "responsible" for either approving or rejecting the subscription, and timeout should not be needed anyway. Plus, making a claim bypass the timeout lets the mod take whatever time they need to deal with the application. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: ability to override two-week timeout on subscription requests #suggestion

 

J,


... it would be infinitely more convenient to be able to individually override subscription request timeouts.
 
Would it make sense to have the Claim function exempt a pending subscription from timeout?

Or is that too cryptic, in the sense of tying the function to an ostensibly unrelated function.

Shal


Re: Integration message moderation change

 

Mark,


I like this but it doesn't work for the case where groups allow members to add events.

I don't see how adding an 'unmoderate' flag to a hashtag would work, because that opens things up to people abusing it.

I'd restrict the control's visibility to moderators, and make the default be "moderated" for non-mods. I'm ambivalent whether the default should be unchecked (moderated) or checked (override) for moderators.

This way a moderator can go in and apply the "unmoderate" override  to an event created by a member, if so desired, but the member can't themselves create an event with the override enabled.
It seems like, for better or worse, a group setting is needed. Should it apply to all notifications or just calendar events? And what should the default be?

If I were to recommend a group setting it would control the default for the event's override checkbox, and probably be defaulted to "override" to match (prior) behavior. That of course would be event notice/reminder/invite only.

What Yahoo Groups did eventually was tie event reminders to the Posting Privileges of the event's creator. The events created by those with the Override Moderate (which also meant NuM) would not send reminders. This stopped spammers from using events as a back-door around message moderation. I was never very fond of that solution because it was entirely cryptic behavior. But they were able to just slap it in place during a time when they had minimal development resources. Groups.io can/should do better.

Shal


Re: Integration message moderation change

 

This change is definitely causing issues for some groups, especially around calendar notifications/invites. So I think I need to do something.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 11:35 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I'd like to see an Override: Unmoderated option in the setup for a
calendar event. Only available to moderators of course.

I like this but it doesn't work for the case where groups allow members to add events.

I don't see how adding an 'unmoderate' flag to a hashtag would work, because that opens things up to people abusing it.

It seems like, for better or worse, a group setting is needed. Should it apply to all notifications or just calendar events? And what should the default be?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Slack integration affected by sub-group setup?

 

Hi - I was referred by the Groups Manager Forum to a similar post in this group that has since been locked. I've pasted the situation below but basically I am trying to find out if having subgroups will somehow prevent the initial Slack integration. If so, can I revert to the no subgroups structure (temporarily) to get this integration going, without repercussions? The group has not been implemented so there is no existing content to worry about.

Could someone let me know? The Slack integration is a cool feature so I hope it is still supported.

Rob

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I have been getting that same OAUTH error message when I try to sync with Slack. I have a clue as to what is wrong though, and was wondering if someone could confirm my theory.

I was testing this on a new group that had no messages and at first I got that same message, then the sync seemed to be approved by Slack On looking at it though, I realized I had synced the correct Slack group with the wrong Groups.io group (I have three). I deleted that and then went to the correct Groups.io group - which has a subgroup - but no matter what I can't get it to reauthorize. I know that when you add a subgroup it changes the url for the group so was thinking that might be the problem. The first group I tested it with had no subgroups.

So easy fix right - the group has no members so just delete the subgroup and try again I was about to do that but read that when you delete a subgroup, the name of that subgroup becomes unavailable for later use. Then I read someone say that if you rename a subgroup before you delete it, this won't happen - but that was never verified.

Before I go deeper down the rabbit hole could someone let me know if I am on the right track. First, is the Slack integration generally working for people here?, second is my theory about the authentication problem being related to subgroups plausible? and third, if so, will that renaming trick work before I delete the subgroup? It is a common name and I would hate to lose it.

Thank you


moderated ability to override two-week timeout on subscription requests #suggestion

 

Our group usually acts on subscription requests immediately, and so far we have not had to be concerned with the two-week time-out. However, occasionally we get a request where it's necessary to put the membership request on hold until more information is known. We are in the midst of such a request right now and I found myself worrying that this person would time out before we could act on it if getting the info takes more than two weeks, which seems likely.

While we are a premium group and could always direct-add the person back in if they time out, it would be infinitely more convenient to be able to individually override subscription request timeouts.
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Calendar. Specific day of the week #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

It's all there
I have one event that happens on the second Saturday of every other month, starting with the first odd month.
I have another event that happens on the second Saturday of every month.
They are meetings in different US areas.
They were easy to set up also.
You have choices for Repeating by week or month or multiples of either
Day of month and day of the week
It's all there.
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Bob Bellizzi

Founder, Fuchs Friends ®
Founder & Executive Director, The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation


moderated Re: Event: Partial outage #downtime - Friday, 8 February 2019 #downtime #cal-invite

 

Hi Mark,

At least two serious problems occurred after the site came back up. I've emailed you offlist about them. (The support message itself did not go through so I sent the summary to your email address.) Hoping everything is all fine now (or will be soon) and no need to respond.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Event: Partial outage #downtime - Friday, 8 February 2019 #downtime #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Partial outage #downtime

When:
Friday, 8 February 2019
10:00am to 10:14am
(GMT-08:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

An update to the code as part of adding the ability to off-load database queries to a replica contained a database connection leak. Testing beforehand did not reveal the leak because it is something that would only show up after a large number of database queries.


moderated Re: extend "claimed by" feature for pending messages to pending members #suggestion

 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:09 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 07:12 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know if you have any questions or see anything amiss.
Mark -- My question relates to what form of "claim-jumping" function has been implemented, so a Mod cannot claim a pending membership only to go on vacation for three weeks.

Same as in pending messages. You cannot approve a pending sub claimed by someone else via email. But you can via the website. You'll just get a warning first.

Mark 


moderated Re: Calendar start day option?

Michael Morris
 

Any news on this feature request please.

Thanks


moderated Re: extend "claimed by" feature for pending messages to pending members #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 07:12 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know if you have any questions or see anything amiss.
Mark -- My question relates to what form of "claim-jumping" function has been implemented, so a Mod cannot claim a pending membership only to go on vacation for three weeks.

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: extend "claimed by" feature for pending messages to pending members #suggestion

 

Awesome, Mark! Thanks!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: extend "claimed by" feature for pending messages to pending members #suggestion

 

Hi All,

You can now claim pending subscriptions. There's a new Claim button when viewing a pending member and there's a new Action when viewing the members page. Please let me know if you have any questions or see anything amiss.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Calendar. Specific day of the week #suggestion

 

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 09:03 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Actually Calendar events can be set up to repeat yearly (or every other year), but it is not intuitive. The way to do it is to set it up as repeating monthly, but with the frequency of every 12 (or 24) months. Do this in the "Repeats" section:
Thanks.
It works with some examples. Like "Safer Internet Day". But still have a problem with some special days or weeks (Exp/ National Library Week in my country starts in last Monday of March. That means that the National Library Week must begin in 25th March in 2019 and 31th March in 2020 (Not in 24th March 2020).

In short, thanks for the tip. But we still have some minor problems.

şy


moderated Re: Calendar. Specific day of the week #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

Actually Calendar events can be set up to repeat yearly (or every other year), but it is not intuitive. The way to do it is to set it up as repeating monthly, but with the frequency of every 12 (or 24) months. Do this in the "Repeats" section:


Repeats:

"Event Repeats"
Check box

"Repeats"
Select "Monthly" in pull down menu

"Repeat Every"
Select "12" in pull down menu

Below that select "Repeat by day of the week"

"Starts On" will display this year's date based on the "Date and Time" and "Repeats" settings you choose higher up on the page.

"Ends"
Select "Never Ends", "After", or "On" as you wish.

"Repeat Summary" will display (if "Never Ends" was selected)
Every 12 months on the First Tuesday


BE SURE TO click on green "+Update Event" button at bottom of page

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:07 AM Sener Yelkenci via Groups.Io <seneryelkenci=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We want to create a calendar. But have a little problem about that. We want to mark events as a specific day of the week, not as a fixed day in a month. This means that special day can come to a different day every year. Why can't we show this on calendars?

Example: Safer Internet Day was celebrated on the first Tuesday of February each year. This means that it was celebrated on February 6th in 2019, and on February 5th in 2018. Could this be possible in Groups.io


moderated Re: Calendar. Specific day of the week #suggestion

 

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:07 AM Sener Yelkenci via Groups.Io <seneryelkenci=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We want to create a calendar. But have a little problem about that. We want to mark events as a specific day of the week, not as a fixed day in a month. This means that special day can come to a different day every year. Why can't we show this on calendars?

Example: Safer Internet Day was celebrated on the first Tuesday of February each year. This means that it was celebrated on February 6th in 2019, and on February 5th in 2018. Could this be possible in Groups.io
_._,_._,_
We have that for monthly recurring events, but not currently for yearly recurring events.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Calendar. Specific day of the week #suggestion

 

Hi,

We want to create a calendar. But have a little problem about that. We want to mark events as a specific day of the week, not as a fixed day in a month. This means that special day can come to a different day every year. Why can't we show this on calendars?

Example: Safer Internet Day was celebrated on the first Tuesday of February each year. This means that it was celebrated on February 6th in 2019, and on February 5th in 2018. Could this be possible in Groups.io