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moderated Re: email privacy

Ant No
 

Hello Duane

I passed your wisdom on to the upset member. Hopefully he will be reassured. I suggested he check if he can see everyone else's full email to determine the current setting.

If he can I'll talk the owner through how to change it by following your instructions.

I'm a bit tired now so I'm going to leave these intensive threads until I've had time to check in and say hello to my new groups.

I prefer the positive cheerleader role most of the time. These have been an effort.

I may be some time...

Ant👣


moderated Re: Narrow formatting in Digests?

ro-esp
 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 06:12 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:

groups.io seems very nice so far except for one thing: Digests are formatted
in silly narrow columns.
I am not seeing narrow digests in this group, but have seen it in another. I'm not sure why.

I do agree that "classic" digests are a lot better

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

Hello again Duane

I read those two links but not the even older links the first one referenced.

As I understand it there are three main opinions.

A massively detailed hierarchy such as the dewy decimal.

20 or so broad categories.

A bottom up tagging system.

The greatest support seems to be for number two but mark favours number three.

I feel number one would be a lot of work and counterproductive in just making it easier to find things you might not know exist but appeal when you see them.

I favour number two myself.

In particular for group types that have large numbers of groups attached. Really, after reading through the most popular third of the whole list, the first five struck me as being a lot to read through if they're not what your looking for. That could change as the new groups come on line.

They may well be a large part of the two thirds classed as unpopular because they're new and not yet fully signed up or used.

A system based just on how many groups are in a category is practical and casts no judgement. If anything it's an affirmation of how popular the category is.

From what I've seen so far I could live with the top five of mine  plus other. I can slog through to a fair extent. The others were mostly ones I noticed to a lesser extent number wise or personal preferences.

Subject to change as all the new groups get fully functional.

The third option has had several years to organically materialise but didn't help me while I was wishing I could exclude some high instance group types while attempting an exhaustive search. That may be my ignorance but if so please enlighten me. Bearing in mind I don't always know what I want until I find it.

We are all one at some level of existance. I see you all as aspects of a greater whole that I am also a small part of. One of the groups I would never have thought to search for holds to the same belief. I found it, amongst others, only after great labour wading through the high interest areas.

The esoteric need not be occluded. Minorities matter.

Ant👣


moderated Re: Direct Add

Ann Wild
 

I suggest sticking with the transfer process. It went through so smoothly for our group, and everything transferred.

Ann


moderated Operating a moderated group

David Tuma
 

I set up a moderated group after transferring from Yahoo Groups.  It was pretty simple for members to send me an email to be posted by the moderator - they just replied to the posting or they sent one to me as the owner.  I don't see how to do that with Groups.io.  I've tried sending emails from my non-owner/moderator account but either they get returned because I'm not the owner/moderator or they just don't seem to go anywhere if I send them to the owner.  Where I can find out how to do this.

Also, who does a "special" notice go to and what does it look like when it goes out?

Thank you


moderated Re: email privacy

 

Ellen I am pretty sure I saw an option for masking or not masking, your choice. I’ve made offline friends because I could see their address In the email. I wouldn’t post my personal email to a message board. 
Susan B





Susan B 


On Oct 27, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote:

Is it true that members of a list cannot see the whole email of other members? As list"owner" (moderator), I can see emails of everyone. I would personally prefer everyone to be able to see one another's emails -- this way if people want to become friends offlist they can. If there is some rule that has been promulgated and prevents this I can say nothing but I prefer openness.  Ellen

Ellen

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:43 PM Ant No <cmpaqp1100@...> wrote:
I agree Chris but remember that at the moment owners are trying to rescue a cat from a burning building and IT may not be their forte.

The data Holder, ie groups.io, has a data privacy obligation in law irrespective of how we feel.

Ant👣


locked Re: fees

Ant No
 

I'm trying to be civil and cogent. I politely asked privately. But I feel it reasonable to ask what falsehood or error I'm accused of.  I don't accept ambiguous assertions one cannot or will not clarify.

If I am in error fair enough. We all make mistakes.

I agree it shouldn't be a pi$$ing match but I'm half Vulcan and this is just how I honestly express myself.

I have nothing personal against RCordona I don't know him or her.

The majority of people in these places are genuinely good people even if they disagree sometimes.

I don't take against someone just for disagreeing with me. We all have opinions and that's fine.


moderated Re: email privacy

Ant No
 

You may be right Duane but where is that exemption stated?

In fact my old groups did function that way because the group acted as an anonymising intermediate.

Believe me when I say I have mixed feelings about data privacy interfering with good things like hobby groups.

GDPR is meant to protect individuals from the likes of Facebook, Verzion etc not from small special interest groups like these. However it does not make that distinction.

One should not assume it's all been done for you if you're a group owner. It sounds to me as though it actually has, but the owners share responsibility. Ideally both are aware.

Apart from actually protecting the data being desirable, I seriously doubt any group owner would ever face prosecution. No money in it and group members might get upset and cancel but are very unlikely to sue.

It's one of those legal technicalities that's unlikely to be enforced.


moderated Re: email privacy

Duane
 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 01:51 PM, Ellen Moody wrote:
Is it true that members of a list cannot see the whole email of other members?
Unless you make the Members List available to Subscribers, no one can see it.  They can put themselves in the group Directory, if you've enabled that, with information that they want other members to see.  If they don't add themselves, they also can't see any that are there.  Any email that is sent to people, either individual or digest, will have the email address of the person that posted it (that's the nature of email lists ;>)

BTW, GDPR does NOT apply to email lists because they couldn't function.  The site is in compliance though.

Duane


moderated Re: email privacy

Ellen Moody
 

I presume the members were or are told (somewhere on the site). I did not set up my listserv. I can only repeat what I said.  Ellen


On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 3:11 PM Ant No <cmpaqp1100@...> wrote:
Hello Ellen

In an ideal world you are of course correct.

In this world data is harvested for profit which leads to spam and an undesirable level of covert surveillance.

For this reason Europe has enacted data protection laws that apply to any data held on European citizens regardless of where the servers are situated.

Names with emails are such data.

Members who wish to converse directly may choose to exchange emails through the existing channels with no special effort on anyone's part.

As you control whether that data is available it is also your legal responsibility to ensure each member has an informed choice on how their data is made available.

Regards

Ant


locked Re: fees

KWKloeber
 

Is there a way we can discuss issues w/o it turning into pi$$ing matches and turning into a locked topic so that it shuts down conversation?  Is it possible that we can act as adults.


locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

Well, objectively, you can't call something wholly unnecessary when there are many thousands of of groups to get through.

The search function is fine if you are on rails and know what you want to find. But strolling through the landscape to see what unanticipated wonder you stumble across also has merit.

An important point is that you can choose not to use it and include all categories in your sort or search. So you lose nothing while others gain something. It limits nothing and adds flexibility.

It's about the greatest choice for the greatest number. You can still do things your way. Those that want to can do it another way.

Ant


locked Re: fees

Ant No
 

You're forcing me to discuss this here against my wishes.

Defend your assertion of false information.


moderated Re: email privacy

Ant No
 

Hello Ellen

In an ideal world you are of course correct.

In this world data is harvested for profit which leads to spam and an undesirable level of covert surveillance.

For this reason Europe has enacted data protection laws that apply to any data held on European citizens regardless of where the servers are situated.

Names with emails are such data.

Members who wish to converse directly may choose to exchange emails through the existing channels with no special effort on anyone's part.

As you control whether that data is available it is also your legal responsibility to ensure each member has an informed choice on how their data is made available.

Regards

Ant


moderated OT: requesting special notices from Mark

 

I had to go special-notice because of the power blackout (need to limit phone usage due to battery life and no internet). Mark, if there are any genetal system messages you want everybody to get, it would be great if you could send them as special notices for the next few days (you may be doing that anyway, I don’t know). I’ll see you all again when the lights are back on. 🐱


--
J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
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locked Re: fees

Ant No
 

I've contacted you privately as this was intended just for Mark.

Deleting it now would suggest I don't stand by my perspective. I do.

Ant👣


moderated Re: email privacy

Ellen Moody
 

Is it true that members of a list cannot see the whole email of other members? As list"owner" (moderator), I can see emails of everyone. I would personally prefer everyone to be able to see one another's emails -- this way if people want to become friends offlist they can. If there is some rule that has been promulgated and prevents this I can say nothing but I prefer openness.  Ellen

Ellen

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:43 PM Ant No <cmpaqp1100@...> wrote:
I agree Chris but remember that at the moment owners are trying to rescue a cat from a burning building and IT may not be their forte.

The data Holder, ie groups.io, has a data privacy obligation in law irrespective of how we feel.

Ant👣


moderated Re: email privacy

Ant No
 

I agree Chris but remember that at the moment owners are trying to rescue a cat from a burning building and IT may not be their forte.

The data Holder, ie groups.io, has a data privacy obligation in law irrespective of how we feel.

Ant👣


locked Re: categorisation

RCardona
 

I disagree as well. . . categorizing groups is wholly unnecessary and too limiting.  

This is why there is a search query.   It is not unreasonable for users to review search pulls to find points of interest.  


locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

Thank you Duane.

I will read that.

In advance I would point out that the sudden increase in size of the groups list is an important new variable.

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