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moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

Looks like it's also a feature you might be able to use too, though no guarantee the form you require the name in would be the default.


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

After Duane's comment about "well configured email systems" I went back to the W3 spec, and checked to see if "." was an acceptable email alias.  The spec says that an Alias should have 2 or more characters, or the email system should display only the email address.  So, the "." is more than 2 characters, so it meets the spec.  I am sure that the board in 2001 never thought that someone would use " as a character.  Since email is dead as a standard, I am guessing that there will not be another revision to the standard in our lifetime.

what I did not realize is that Group.IO does display only the . when a message is in the group.  This is clearly a bug.  So what ever property is used to create the group posting (in this case the web interface) is the issue not the email.


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

It is actually an issue for me in a different way, because our group requires a certain form for the Display Name. So we end up setting everyone’s Display Name by hand anyway.

I’m talking in general. The purpose of the Display Name is that it be displayed with the member’s messages. If there are no messages by the member, then by definition, it need not be displayed and is unnecessary assuming that intended purpose. If you’re using it for a different purpose, like looking through your Members list, that’s another issue.

On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Tanya's Feline CKD <helen@felineckd.com> wrote:

Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem for others. I hate seeing a massive list of blank names in my membership lists, and more to the point, it's kind of hard for my Condolence Mods to do a condolence post when they don't have a name to whom they can offer condolences. There is plenty groups.io could do, namely require anybody signing up to provide a display name, it's not that much of a requirement, but one I've been asking for unsuccessfully for ages.


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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

Yesterday  there were 70 groups ahead in the queue, this morning (Dutch time) 75 and now 79.

This is very frustrating and seems to be an endless waiting time :-(


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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
To: main@beta.groups.io
Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:50:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:29 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:


1. Last Friday (5 days ago) I requested a transfer for my Yahoo group.Last Saturday (4 days ago) I've given the go-ahead.
How long is the actual waiting time for finishing the transfer?

I've added a status line to the transfer page. When you go to edit your transfer, if it's been submitted for transfer, you'll now see one of these 4 status lines:
 
Your group is awaiting export from Yahoo. [Step 1 of 4]
Your group is being exported from Yahoo right now. [Step 2 of 4]
Your group is awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the queue. [Step 3 of 4]
Your group is being imported into Groups.io right now. [Step 4 of 4]

Where N in Step 3 is an estimate as to where you are in the queue. Your group is about 70th in the queue right now.
 
Step 4 is the biggest bottleneck, as I can only import so many groups at a time without overloading the system. I can't give an estimate as to how long each group takes to be imported, because each group is different (how many photos, how many messages, etc). Also it's dependent on how many groups have requested expedited processing at the time.
 
 

2. The member list of my group has a lot of members with the status "No mail". I'm afraid most of these members are not active anymore. Do these members receive a welcome message by joining Group.io? And if that message bounces, are these bouncing accounts automaticly removed or do they automaticly get the status "bouncing"?
If not…. What's the best way to check and clean up these "no mail" accounts? My group contains no-mail accounts from the year 2000, the year of introducing the group, 19 years ago.

 

If you didn't uncheck the 'Send a message to your members when the transfer is complete' they will be sent a welcome message (ditto if you have a group welcome message). That will be tracked for bouncing. Whether that actually triggers someone being removed depends on the type of bounce back received.
 
Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem for others. I hate seeing a massive list of blank names in my membership lists, and more to the point, it's kind of hard for my Condolence Mods to do a condolence post when they don't have a name to whom they can offer condolences. There is plenty groups.io could do, namely require anybody signing up to provide a display name, it's not that much of a requirement, but one I've been asking for unsuccessfully for ages.


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 07:11 AM, Duane wrote:
Only if there is one obviously.  And then only after they've sent a message.
Both absolutely true. But if they don't send a message, there's no problem with their having no Display Name. And most people do have a name attached to their email. And if they don't, there's basically not much the groups.io system can do about it. It's still incumbent on the group owner to set one up in those (rare) cases.
 
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moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 08:37 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
groups.io automatically harvests a Display Name from the person's email if you don't set one up
Only if there is one obviously.  And then only after they've sent a message.

Duane


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 05:59 AM, Tanya's Feline CKD wrote:
I want a visible name for anybody in my groups, but I have to add a name myself for 95% of my applicants.
But groups.io automatically harvests a Display Name from the person's email if you don't set one up. 
 
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moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

No, it belongs here. I know Mark has his hands full right now, but a name is a feature request I've been asking for for years. I want a visible name for anybody in my groups, but I have to add a name myself for 95% of my applicants. Personally I'd rather have providing a name compulsory, I don't care what it is, they can make it up, but I want to see a name. The group I'm helping set up now has the majority of users with no name, and since I didn't moderate it before, I have no idea what to call these people.

Helen


moderated Re: Is there any way I can determine if the Yahoo invitation has been received

 

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 8:30 PM J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:
As a note, I sent a note to Shal's help group, but don't see it listed.  So here goes
I started the transfer process on October 21, paid my money and followed the steps.  I then did the invitation in my Yahoo Group using the transfer@groups.io .  Yesterday, I did another one just in case.  As of this date, I haven't received anything from Yahoo stating that you are a member so I can make you Moderator.  Is there any way to check to see if that invite was received?  I followed the instructions step by step.  Is there a backlog of accepting these invitations? 


You can look up your transfer request, and if we've received your invite, it should tell you so.

 
The name of my groups.io group is sewwhatembroiderysoftware and the name is the same for the Yahoo Group.  Please contact me if there is any other information you might need or give me instructions on how to check this.

I looked up your group and there is no transfer request associated with that group. Which explains why we haven't received an invite (I filter all incoming messages to transfer@groups.io and only allow in invites from groups we have transfer requests from).

The question is, why doesn't that group have a transfer request associated with it? Did you set one up and then something happened to it? Is there something I can make more clear about the process?

I think I'll add something to the sticky wiki about this.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Is there any way I can determine if the Yahoo invitation has been received

Judy F.
 

As a note, I sent a note to Shal's help group, but don't see it listed.  So here goes
I started the transfer process on October 21, paid my money and followed the steps.  I then did the invitation in my Yahoo Group using the transfer@groups.io .  Yesterday, I did another one just in case.  As of this date, I haven't received anything from Yahoo stating that you are a member so I can make you Moderator.  Is there any way to check to see if that invite was received?  I followed the instructions step by step.  Is there a backlog of accepting these invitations? 

The name of my groups.io group is sewwhatembroiderysoftware and the name is the same for the Yahoo Group.  Please contact me if there is any other information you might need or give me instructions on how to check this.

Believe me I know you have an influx of transfers and I'm not trying to rush, just want to make sure that my invitation is there or somewhere. 

Thank you,
Judy Faulkner
SW Florida - USA


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

Belongs in GMF group again.
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moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

Anita L
 

The owner or mod can enter a name and click save. I always add a name once someone joins.
 
Anita


moderated Re: Migrate Groups to Subgroups

Duane
 

It looks to me like you didn't read the message at the top of the Messages page (in the gray box.)

Duane


moderated Re: Migrate Groups to Subgroups

 

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:18 PM Simon Hedges <simhedges@...> wrote:
I manage a number of semi-moribund groups on Yahoogroups. There's not much traffic any more, the groups are all about the same general topic.  We don't want to lose our archives.
Is it possible to create a single master groups, with a subgroup for each of the Yahoogroups, and the ability to migrate to a specified sub-group from each Yahoogroup group?
_._,_._,_
Yes you can do this.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Migrate Groups to Subgroups

Simon Hedges
 

I manage a number of semi-moribund groups on Yahoogroups. There's not much traffic any more, the groups are all about the same general topic.  We don't want to lose our archives.
Is it possible to create a single master groups, with a subgroup for each of the Yahoogroups, and the ability to migrate to a specified sub-group from each Yahoogroup group?


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

rich hurd
 

There is an analogue in the ham radio world for a group that is scaling, excellently run with the technical chops to make a difference.   All the lurking hams now know that I’m talking about Elecraft.  It can be done but it takes a huge investment in ability, tools, and people.  

Let’s hope that Mark can follow that same path.   End of off topic post.  

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 18:54 Barry_M via Groups.Io <bmwiner=zoho.com@groups.io> wrote:

Couldn't agree more about the responsiveness and just the values, compassion, competence and humor behind groups.io. But, at the risk of making an obvious poi

1.  Yahoo! and its subsequent owners never saw YG as a line of business with much growth potential.  It was is also much larger now, at the point of its unsurprising demise. Combine those two things and easy to understand why it wasn't invested in, didn't work well and why the responsive was very poor to non-existent.

 

2. Groups.io is a much smaller entity than YG.  That may (and hopefully will) change in the future but "responsive" is something that has to be invested in when a business or organization scales.  One person, however talented and fabulous, can't be doing much 1:1 response and problem resolution once there are thousands, tens of thousands or millions of groups and group owners.  At that scale, it requires real investment in things like customer service personnel, contact centers and high-quality customer experience software.

Groups.io is awesome.  Mark is fantastic. But you just can't operate the same way at scale as you must when you are large.  And, at either size, you can operate poorly (as YG has for years) or well. Whatever an org's size, it's all about the leadership, values and competence at managing growth, technically, organizationally, strategically and commercially.

For the past few years, and even now, things are wonderful here on groups.io.  We should all hope that that can remain true with the inevitable growth that is happening, faster than expected now with YG's shutdown.  FWIW.

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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Barry_M
 

Apologies my typos above!  Hopefully it's still clear.  As a warning to newer groups.io members who care about their writing, be sure to edit/check your comments/posts before you click "reply to group" or whatever, as I didn't do well above. Once posted, they can't be edited.


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Barry_M
 

Couldn't agree more about the responsiveness and just the values, compassion, competence and humor behind groups.io. But, at the risk of making an obvious poi

1.  Yahoo! and its subsequent owners never saw YG as a line of business with much growth potential.  It was is also much larger now, at the point of its unsurprising demise. Combine those two things and easy to understand why it wasn't invested in, didn't work well and why the responsive was very poor to non-existent.

 

2. Groups.io is a much smaller entity than YG.  That may (and hopefully will) change in the future but "responsive" is something that has to be invested in when a business or organization scales.  One person, however talented and fabulous, can't be doing much 1:1 response and problem resolution once there are thousands, tens of thousands or millions of groups and group owners.  At that scale, it requires real investment in things like customer service personnel, contact centers and high-quality customer experience software.

Groups.io is awesome.  Mark is fantastic. But you just can't operate the same way at scale as you must when you are large.  And, at either size, you can operate poorly (as YG has for years) or well. Whatever an org's size, it's all about the leadership, values and competence at managing growth, technically, organizationally, strategically and commercially.

For the past few years, and even now, things are wonderful here on groups.io.  We should all hope that that can remain true with the inevitable growth that is happening, faster than expected now with YG's shutdown.  FWIW.


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

rich hurd
 

Thanks, Mark.  How refreshing to get a responsive service provider.   :)

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 16:51 Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:29 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:


1. Last Friday (5 days ago) I requested a transfer for my Yahoo group.Last Saturday (4 days ago) I've given the go-ahead.
How long is the actual waiting time for finishing the transfer?

I've added a status line to the transfer page. When you go to edit your transfer, if it's been submitted for transfer, you'll now see one of these 4 status lines:

Your group is awaiting export from Yahoo. [Step 1 of 4]
Your group is being exported from Yahoo right now. [Step 2 of 4]
Your group is awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the queue. [Step 3 of 4]
Your group is being imported into Groups.io right now. [Step 4 of 4]

Where N in Step 3 is an estimate as to where you are in the queue. Your group is about 70th in the queue right now.

Step 4 is the biggest bottleneck, as I can only import so many groups at a time without overloading the system. I can't give an estimate as to how long each group takes to be imported, because each group is different (how many photos, how many messages, etc). Also it's dependent on how many groups have requested expedited processing at the time.

 

2. The member list of my group has a lot of members with the status "No mail". I'm afraid most of these members are not active anymore. Do these members receive a welcome message by joining Group.io? And if that message bounces, are these bouncing accounts automaticly removed or do they automaticly get the status "bouncing"?
If not…. What's the best way to check and clean up these "no mail" accounts? My group contains no-mail accounts from the year 2000, the year of introducing the group, 19 years ago.


If you didn't uncheck the 'Send a message to your members when the transfer is complete' they will be sent a welcome message (ditto if you have a group welcome message). That will be tracked for bouncing. Whether that actually triggers someone being removed depends on the type of bounce back received.

Thanks,
Mark 

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