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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Ro wrote:
If a person wants a delete for personal reasons, nothing wrong with them asking the owner/moderator to delete it.
I agree entirely. I am somewhat puzzled by the facilty whereby members can delete posts; given that once a message is posted it is emailed immediately to those who read their traffic that way, and while the post can be deleted from the archive it cannot be deleted from everyone's Inboxes.

I would support message deletion being available to owners/moderators only, albeit settable at a group level.

Chris


moderated Identically named topics

 

Currently, members can start an infinite number of topics with the same name. Should this be allowed, or should messages bearing the same name as an already existing topic be threaded into that topic?


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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

Ken and Gerald, I will start a separate thread about your issue. I’d rather keep this one on topic of allowing disabling of deletion.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 11:08 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 01:27 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 07:18 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Can a member post a "new" topic that is identical to another topic? 
Actually, I just tested this and it turns out they can. I would have thought groups.io would have threaded them together, but it doesn't. I'm not sure what the goal would be and don't quite understand your message, but yes, they can do that, it turns out. It seems to be a separate issue, but I wonder whether this is the behavior we want/
 
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J, I have to agree with you.

I understood from a comment Mark posted recently that they would have been "threaded" together as long as the topic name had been active "recently". That is, after some period of time it is allowed to make a new topic with the same topic label.

I also tested and confirmed that I can make two new topics with the same name. I guess I either that functionality was changed or it is broken or I misunderstood some part of the explanation.

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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 01:27 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 07:18 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Can a member post a "new" topic that is identical to another topic? 
Actually, I just tested this and it turns out they can. I would have thought groups.io would have threaded them together, but it doesn't. I'm not sure what the goal would be and don't quite understand your message, but yes, they can do that, it turns out. It seems to be a separate issue, but I wonder whether this is the behavior we want/
 
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J, I have to agree with you.

I understood from a comment Mark posted recently that they would have been "threaded" together as long as the topic name had been active "recently". That is, after some period of time it is allowed to make a new topic with the same topic label.

I also tested and confirmed that I can make two new topics with the same name. I guess I either that functionality was changed or it is broken or I misunderstood some part of the explanation.

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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 07:18 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Can a member post a "new" topic that is identical to another topic? 
Actually, I just tested this and it turns out they can. I would have thought groups.io would have threaded them together, but it doesn't. I'm not sure what the goal would be and don't quite understand your message, but yes, they can do that, it turns out. It seems to be a separate issue, but I wonder whether this is the behavior we want/
 
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moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

Pamela Tatt
 

Thanks Shal,

I have both Excel and LibreOffice.  I will play around with them, see which one is easiest for me to use and take it from there.

Thanks everyone for your most helpful advice.

I love Groups.io 

Pamela


moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

KWKloeber
 

Can a member post a "new" topic that is identical to another topic? 
Or they could just insignificantly change it to "edit" and resend the original message.

-ken


moderated Re: Hashtags

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Bruce Bowman at 12/17/2018 10:44 PM UTC:

This strikes me as a peculiar application of hashtags.

The online search engine searches the message body in addition to the subject line...and with that understanding, I don't see how duplicating one into the other is going to enhance search capabilities.

I agree. But no objection to the proposal provided the implementation of it lets the group owner select the max number of hashtags... from zero to 10 (or whatever).

Jim H


moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 04:15 PM, Ro wrote:
that would be the only other way to prevent such people from deleting and then re posting.  
Actually it wouldn't stop them from deleting, anyway. Just re-posting.
 
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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 04:15 PM, Ro wrote:
I prefer not to moderate people if at all possible. 
Same here.
 
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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

Ro
 

Absolutely....   Jeez people will find ways around the prohibition of editing wont they.   I dont use moderation much, but that would be the only other way to prevent such people from deleting and then re posting.   I prefer not to moderate people if at all possible.   If a person wants a delete for personal reasons, nothing wrong with them asking the owner/moderator to delete it.

Ro


moderated Re: Hashtags

Tina
 

Hi Duane,

I would like to see the increase in hash tags as an option available for group owners. Not everyone is irresponsible or responsible so a cap is definately required for commonsense purposes. 10 would be a good number but if all we can get is 7 then that would also be better than what we have now. 

With recipes we don't always need, say 10 tags, but there are times when ten would be far more helpful for those that are not so computer savvy. Most of our members are elderly and some not so, with the group aimed at helping poor people. Some can barely turn a computer on and as my group is designed to help poorer people to find recipes to cook cheaper foods for them and their families, for my group, having more tags is a distint advantage.

If Mark could up the tag limitation then that would be really good. I am sure that there are other responsible group owners that woud also find this option useful. Maybe if possible Mark could set it so that only the group owner can set the limit. We don't have a problem with members assigning the tags willy nilly to posts or even at all as only the owners assign the tags. This may also help to reduce people just willy nilly tagging posts -  by making it limited only to group owners or moderators to have the ability to assign the tags. Just a thought.

Tina 

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On Tuesday, 18 December 2018, 4:08:43 am AWST, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:


For me, I'd hate to see the limit set to 10 for all groups.  5 is 4 more than we normally use. ;>)  Would a compromise of 7 work to keep problems to a minimum?  If Mark thinks it's worthwhile, a floating number, set by the group owner, say up to 10, might be most flexible.

Duane


moderated Re: Hashtags

 

There have been occasions when I've wanted to use more than five hashtags. Recipes are not necessarily the only application.


On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 2:44 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 08:56 AM, Tina wrote:
For a recipe sharing group, 5 hastags is simply not enough by the time we hashtag for Country, Ethnic origin, and Type or Category of a recipe, this leaves us only two hashtags to assign for main ingredients to aid members in their searches.
This strikes me as a peculiar application of hashtags.

The online search engine searches the message body in addition to the subject line...and with that understanding, I don't see how duplicating one into the other is going to enhance search capabilities.

Regards,
Bruce


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moderated Re: Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 02:45 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think that deletion should be disabled
Typo: I meant that it should be disable-able in a group.
 
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moderated Don't allow members to delete whole topics @strongsuggestion

 

Today there was hella confusion in my group until I figured out what happened through the logs. A member deleted a message, which apparently was the whole topic, resulting in the deletion of the topic, and then resent it. People reading via email received duplicates, and people reading via email and web were massively confused.

Allowing people to delete and resend messages creates a loophole around the disabling of editing messages, which my group has done. Instead of editing a message, which members can no longer do, enterprising, creative members have figured out that they can simply "delete" (I use quotes because, of course, the message is never deleted from emails) their message and resend it. This has the EXACT SAME EFFECT as editing a message, which my group - as well as this very beta group - has disabled for good reasons, including the email-archive mismatch and resulting confusion, and the receiving of essentially duplicate emails by group members reading by email.

I understand from, prior conversations here about it, that some think that legally, members are allowed to delete their messages. IANAL but I disagree. Users grant to groups.io, via the TOU, a "perpetual and irrevocable" right to publish their content  (quoted below). "Irrevocable" would seem to mean that users cannot revoke from groups.io the right to publish their content; i.e., they cannot unilaterally delete it.

So I think that deletion should be disabled for the same reasons editing can be disabled (email/archive mismatch and duplicate messages, possibly even a flurry of them, as has happened in my group at various points when overzealous members keep trying to "clarify" or, in essence, edit their posts). The confusion is worse when a member deletes a whole topic, which it seems they can do when their message is the only one in it.

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moderated Re: Hashtags

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 08:56 AM, Tina wrote:
For a recipe sharing group, 5 hastags is simply not enough by the time we hashtag for Country, Ethnic origin, and Type or Category of a recipe, this leaves us only two hashtags to assign for main ingredients to aid members in their searches.
This strikes me as a peculiar application of hashtags.

The online search engine searches the message body in addition to the subject line...and with that understanding, I don't see how duplicating one into the other is going to enhance search capabilities.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Hashtags

Duane
 

For me, I'd hate to see the limit set to 10 for all groups.  5 is 4 more than we normally use. ;>)  Would a compromise of 7 work to keep problems to a minimum?  If Mark thinks it's worthwhile, a floating number, set by the group owner, say up to 10, might be most flexible.

Duane


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

Bob Bellizzi
 

Shal,
I haven't used the Database but possibly the export to csv would contain a link to the map?
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moderated Hashtags

Tina
 

I have a qiestion regarding the hashtags please.

Is there a way to increase the number of hashtags we can apply to a post at all please?

For a recipe sharing group, 5 hastags is simply not enough by the time we hashtag for Country, Ethnic origin, and Type or Category of a recipe, this leaves us only two hashtags to assign for main ingredients to aid members in their searches.

Is there a reason why we can only assign 5 hashtags?

Delicious Low Budget Recipes Group Owner.


moderated Re: Print option for Databases?

 

Pamela,

I think I need to find time to educate myself on how to generate
reports etc.
What I generally do is Export the table in CSV format, then paste that into Excel. There one has very flexible ways to format and page break the table.

I haven't tried that with a table with maps in it, so that might complicate matters.

If you don't have/use Excel, there are also free spreadsheet programs available like the one in LibreOffice.
https://www.libreoffice.org/

Shal