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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Enjoy your break. It’s a good thing now and again.

 

Dan Tucker, Groups.io  AFDRetiree’s Group Founder/Owner/Moderator

 

From: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Reply-To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:53 PM
To: "main@beta.groups.io" <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: [beta] Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: It was infrastructure week, with a focus on reorganizating the repository, refactoring code, general cleanup, and improving tests.

June 3, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Fixed export of some files. Discussion
  • CHANGE: Reorder processing in the export group service to hopefully fix a database timeout issue.
  • CHANGE: When doing a JSON import of a table, keep the existing Updated fields on the rows. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: If doing a message search with a poster ID representing a user who is no longer a member of the group, don't return every single message. Discussion
  • CHANGE: When sending a message to a member, if you select a member notice, the activity log entry will now point to that member notice instead of showing the entire message as sent. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Some system notifications were not treated in a consistent way in that some were not ignoring the Normalize HTML Emails setting, as they had previous to a change on May 27th. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: The chat window was not sizing properly, so that the text entry box was not visible on the screen. Discussion
  • NEW: There's a new Locked Topic Member Notice. If there is an active locked topic member notice, it will be sent to the group when a topic is locked using the Lock Topic dropdown in the Topics page. Also, in the Topic Properties page, when you click the Lock Topic checkbox, a new selector appears allowing you to send a specific locked topic member notice to the group when you lock the topic.

I will be on vacation until Monday, June 7th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: It was infrastructure week, with a focus on reorganizating the repository, refactoring code, general cleanup, and improving tests.

June 3, 2021:

  • BUGFIX: Fixed export of some files. Discussion
  • CHANGE: Reorder processing in the export group service to hopefully fix a database timeout issue.
  • CHANGE: When doing a JSON import of a table, keep the existing Updated fields on the rows. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: If doing a message search with a poster ID representing a user who is no longer a member of the group, don't return every single message. Discussion
  • CHANGE: When sending a message to a member, if you select a member notice, the activity log entry will now point to that member notice instead of showing the entire message as sent. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: Some system notifications were not treated in a consistent way in that some were not ignoring the Normalize HTML Emails setting, as they had previous to a change on May 27th. Discussion
  • BUGFIX: The chat window was not sizing properly, so that the text entry box was not visible on the screen. Discussion
  • NEW: There's a new Locked Topic Member Notice. If there is an active locked topic member notice, it will be sent to the group when a topic is locked using the Lock Topic dropdown in the Topics page. Also, in the Topic Properties page, when you click the Lock Topic checkbox, a new selector appears allowing you to send a specific locked topic member notice to the group when you lock the topic.

I will be on vacation until Monday, June 7th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Message can't be sent and can't be deleted #bug

Andy
 

Sorry, I misunderstood.  (I thought you were offering to 'fix' the broken Draft and nothing more.  I waited a day or two, then deleted the Draft.)

Andy


moderated Re: Some files missing from export #bug

Gilbert Coville
 

Confirmed. I re-exported both groups and they work fine now.

Thanks!

Gilbert

On Jun 3, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for the information provided off-line. I was able to figure out and fix the bug. Please try exporting your group again.


moderated Re: RSVP event organisers cannot contact responders #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 05:46 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The organizer email field is just a simple text field. We don't do anything with it, including linking it with a member or validating that the text entered even looks like an email address.
OK. I'll revert to my original plan then and make the suggestion that if there is a single valid email address in that field and they are a member of the group that they see the Actions button with the various options to contact responders?

Given that the field name is called Organiser Email that's probably what most people type so it could be validated as a single email address.  Based upon their Role, Mods and Owners are already shown the Actions button so perhaps an additional check could also be if the organiser email is a member of the group?  My co-owner and I, and all our subgroup Moderators are trying to make much more use of the RSVP event functionality but currently we have to send messages to responders on behalf of the event organisers. In the medium to long term, especially with more events being created as Covid restrictions ease, that is just not practical.  Our Mods would still plan to add details to the calendars to ensure they match our styles and colour coding for different event types but after that, leave it to the event organisers.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Message can't be sent and can't be deleted #bug

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:15 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
Mark, I did delete the draft.

But don't you agree that it is a bug that we can't send or open the Draft?

I did indeed refer to it as a bug. I was hoping your draft was still there so I could save some time instead of trying to reproduce it myself.

Mark 


moderated Re: Some files missing from export #bug

 

Hi,

Thanks for the information provided off-line. I was able to figure out and fix the bug. Please try exporting your group again.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Message can't be sent and can't be deleted #bug

Andy
 

Mark, I did delete the draft.

But don't you agree that it is a bug that we can't send or open the Draft?

Either it should have sent when I clicked "Send", or I should be able to open it, view its contents, and copy it to a new message.  Did you fix that bug?  Or are you letting it remain?

Andy


moderated Re: Retain original update field data during database export/import #suggestion

 

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 2:05 PM Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:
When I export a database to a JSON and then import it to another database, the "updated" field for every record changes to the date/time of the import. I'd like to be able to move a database from one group to another but retain the original update field date/time information. This is for a database that tracks membership in a neighborhood directory, and the date/time of the last update for each record is important to us.

This should be fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Message can't be sent and can't be deleted #bug

 

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 3:10 PM Andy <AI.egrps+io@...> wrote:
I sent a short message in one of my groups via the web interface.  But I think it did not actually sent.  After clicking "Send", Groups.io immediately brought be to the page that lists all my group subscriptions.

Now, Drafts shows that there is one message in Drafts, which is the one I thought I sent.  But if I click on that message to open it, I get an error, "That message number does not exist."

If you haven't deleted the draft yet, please let me know what group this is, and I'll fix the bug.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: "All messages by this member" #bug

 

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:54 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I tried it and get the same bug. I think my group was also basic at the time the member left (we upgraded shortly after), and it was around the same timeframe you mention. Maybe has to do with maintaining records for "past members" in premium vs. basic groups?

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New Locked Topic member notice #update

Glenn Glazer
 

On 06/03/2021 10:24, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:11 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
- Should the Active locked topic member notice be returned when someone emails a locked topic?
Anyone can attempt to send a message to a topic that was locked days or months or years ago. If the active member notice has changed in the interim, it most likely bears no relationship at all as to why these older topics were locked (if it still did, why would you change it?).

So I suggest no....unless you can somehow "save" the associated member notice with the topic.

Maybe the person forgot and needs a reminder?

Best,

Glenn

--
#calcare
PG&E Delenda Est


moderated Re: Some files missing from export #bug

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:06 AM Gilbert Coville <gilbert-groups@...> wrote:
Every month I do a full export of a couple of my groups.  I do this by going to Settings->Export Group Data, checking all the boxes, and clicking the Export Group Data button.

This month, both exports are missing _some_ files from the Files section.  The exports are missing .pdf, .jpg, and .jpeg files from the downloaded zip file.  The companion .json files are still present in the download, but just the files are missing.


I did a quick check of the logs and there were no errors. If you download these files in the Files section, do they actually download? Please send me off-list a list of missing files/groups.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Web/App notifications not working for new Chat messages #bug

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:56 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

while testing the Chat feature in the app I've found that I am not receiving Web/App notifications on the Web UI or the App for new chat messages.

We don't send notifications to you for your own chat messages. Could that be it?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Web/App notifications not working for new Chat messages #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

while testing the Chat feature in the app I've found that I am not receiving Web/App notifications on the Web UI or the App for new chat messages.

Regards
Andy


moderated Some files missing from export #bug

Gilbert Coville
 

Every month I do a full export of a couple of my groups. I do this by going to Settings->Export Group Data, checking all the boxes, and clicking the Export Group Data button.

This month, both exports are missing _some_ files from the Files section. The exports are missing .pdf, .jpg, and .jpeg files from the downloaded zip file. The companion .json files are still present in the download, but just the files are missing.

I tried it again a couple days later, but the results are the same.

Gilbert


moderated Re: "member message" urgently needs logging #suggestion #fixed

 

Great, thanks, Mark!


On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:



On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 08:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

This is a request for an exception to the inclusion of text in the logging of member messages: could Member Notices be exempting from the logging of the text?

I've changed it so that if you select a member notice when sending a message to a member (or members), we now log a pointer to that member notice, instead of showing the entire message in the activity log. This only applies to new messages, and it doesn't discriminate if you select a member notice and then edit it, it will still point to the member notice in the log and not show the (edited) message.

Cheers,
Mark


--
J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "member message" urgently needs logging #suggestion #fixed

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 08:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

This is a request for an exception to the inclusion of text in the logging of member messages: could Member Notices be exempting from the logging of the text?

I've changed it so that if you select a member notice when sending a message to a member (or members), we now log a pointer to that member notice, instead of showing the entire message in the activity log. This only applies to new messages, and it doesn't discriminate if you select a member notice and then edit it, it will still point to the member notice in the log and not show the (edited) message.

Cheers,
Mark


moderated Re: Uncheck of Auto Follow Replies in Advanced Preferences is not saved #bug

 

>>>
 For Auto Follow Replies the manual states "This checkbox is selected automatically when you select Following Only" but to me that means that it is initially selected to try and be helpful and the fact that a check-box is there means I should be able to uncheck it.  If it's not supposed to be possible to uncheck it then it's pretty pointless being there and the comment in the manual is superfluous
<<<

Agreed, it's not working quite right.  Even if I personally don't see why someone who is FO wouldn't want to AFR their own replies, I agree that the way it behaves now, it's like "I'm always on as if the checkbox is disabled".

I think this is a case of the AdvPrefs UI-display/defaults init code doing its thing regardless without checking what AFR was previously set-to or changed-to.  Or it could be the uncheck is actually saved on the db but then the reopen resets it anyway overwriting it, maybe in the validation code part.
 
Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: New Locked Topic member notice #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:11 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
- Should the Active locked topic member notice be returned when someone emails a locked topic?
Anyone can attempt to send a message to a topic that was locked days or months or years ago. If the active member notice has changed in the interim, it most likely bears no relationship at all as to why these older topics were locked (if it still did, why would you change it?).

So I suggest no....unless you can somehow "save" the associated member notice with the topic.

- Should the Active locked topic member notice be sent when a topic is automatically locked based on the group's `Automatically lock topics older than N days` setting?
Unless you want to create a second "type" of Member Notice for this purpose, I suggest no.

I expire topics after 60 days for no other reason than I don't want people replying to something many years old after having accidentally inverted the sort order of the archive.

- Should the Active locked topic member notice be sent when a topic is automatically locked based on a hashtag's locking a topic after a specific duration?
Again, I suggest that topics locked based on a "timeout" of any kind calls for a separate member notice...if you want to go there at all.

- Should the Active locked topic member notice be sent when a topic is started with a hashtag that has the `Locked` checkbox checked? Or possibly a selector to pick which locked topic notice to send?
I don't see the advantage of this. If you want to explain why the topic is locked with the first message, just say why in the message.

Generally, I'd prefer that we stop while we're still on relatively solid ground.

My $0.02,
Bruce

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