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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 04:02 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
email delivery, message selection, and replies all determine which messages get to your inbox.
I wouldn't throw "replies" into that, unless you're talking about the further filtering (under "following only") by "auto-follow replies." So I'll assume that's what you mean.

I would lump "message selection" and "replies" into either just "message selection" or "message filters." They're what determine which content gets into your email. The delivery method just determines the format in which they get there.

So there are two categories: filters and delivery method. They can be on the same page or not, I don't think it matters much.
 
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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Putting all together would be fine. Or separating them into delivery method and filter. I’m with you and would favor having both setting types in one place. 


On Jan 21, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

So, again: email delivery, message selection, and replies all determine which messages get to your inbox. So why not make them all part of the same block of settings?

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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

So, again: email delivery, message selection, and replies all determine which messages get to your inbox. So why not make them all part of the same block of settings?


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Thanks. So the whole combination is illogical in addition to misleading grouo members into thinking they’ll receive messages from topics they’re following. The combo serves no function and should be eliminated so members don’t fall into the trap.


On Jan 21, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 06:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
theoretically, in a group with “disable no email” set, members could get around this using Special Notices plus Following Only and then simply not following any special notices. Logically, that should result in “no email.”
I've tested this and special notices still get delivered. There is no way not to get special notices that I can find when No Email is disabled.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 06:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
theoretically, in a group with “disable no email” set, members could get around this using Special Notices plus Following Only and then simply not following any special notices. Logically, that should result in “no email.”
I've tested this and special notices still get delivered. There is no way not to get special notices that I can find when No Email is disabled.


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Right. Snd there’s another potential problem with this bad combination, one I haven’t tested yet: theoretically, in a group with “disable no email” set, members could get around this using Special Notices plus Following Only and then simply not following any special notices. Logically, that should result in “no email.” I need to test this. 

I think Special Notices Only (and I would change the wording to that) should be a setting on the Advanced Preferencrs page along with the other filter (Following Only) and the two should be made incompatible with each other. Special Notices is not an “email delivery method” and besides not belonging with the real delivery options, it creates problems by being there and separated from the preferences page.


On Jan 21, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:50 PM, ro-esp wrote:
If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.
But her point is that that's not how it works - if someone is set to Special Notices Only, they get, well, special notices only. If they want more than special notices, they use individual, digest, or summary.

I agree that it makes sense for the Email Delivery setting to determine the available options for Message Selection and Replies under advanced settings. And since these settings all work in concert to determine message delivery, I'd put them together. (Which leaves Max Attachment Size sort of hanging out by itself.) 

I have to admit, I was pretty confused about the relationship between all of those settings and the actual delivery until someone on GMF set me straight.

Pete

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

Peter Cook
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:50 PM, ro-esp wrote:
If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.
But her point is that that's not how it works - if someone is set to Special Notices Only, they get, well, special notices only. If they want more than special notices, they use individual, digest, or summary.

I agree that it makes sense for the Email Delivery setting to determine the available options for Message Selection and Replies under advanced settings. And since these settings all work in concert to determine message delivery, I'd put them together. (Which leaves Max Attachment Size sort of hanging out by itself.) 

I have to admit, I was pretty confused about the relationship between all of those settings and the actual delivery until someone on GMF set me straight.

Pete


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 02:50 PM, ro-esp wrote:
I think that's the wrong way to go about. If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.
And they would have that. "Following Only" will set them to receive all messages, special notices or otherwise, whose threads they are following, as long as they have any of the other three "delivery methods" (using the term loosely) besides Special Notices. If they continie to be  allowed to be both Special Notices and Following Only, they will receive messages *only* from Special Notices whose threads they are following.

I've just announced this problem to my group and have gone in manually and changed everyone who had this ill-fated combination to Individual Messages, leaving their Following Only settings intact. But it should not be necessary for group owners to do that.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

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moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

ro-esp
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:33 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

I think the UI for advanced preferences has to be redesigned to disallow the
combination of Special Notices and Following Only, and to allow Following Only
only if the member is also subscribed via Individual Messages, Digest, or
Daily Summary.
I think that's the wrong way to go about. If people WANT followed threads AND special notices, they should have that option.

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

Thinking about this further, I think the problem is one of incorrect or mismatched categorization on the Subscription and Advanced Preferences pages. "Special Notices" is not really an "email delivery method." It's a filter, more akin to the Following Only filters. Logically, it makes more sense to put that filter on the Advanced Preference page along with the rest, instead of under "email delivery method." But I realize that practically, that forces people who don't want to receive group emails to go into their Advanced Preference page. Maybe that's ok, maybe it's not. It not, perhaps all the subscription and delivery options and filters should just be on the subscription page in one place.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Subject line of messages in Activity section #bug

 

Hi All,

I've fixed a few things. If a +owner message doesn't have a subject, the subject is displayed as (No Subject). If you click the Reply button when viewing a +Owner message, the subject is once again properly filled out in the reply. I've also reformatted the +Owner message display page along with other misc cleanups.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Disallow concurrent "special notices" and "following only" #suggestion #bug

 

I'm calling this a bug because I consider it a bug (an unintended consequence) in the UI.

It is currently possible for members of a group to have email delivery set to Special Notices and advanced preferences set to Following Only. My group has had several new members recently set themselves up that way. I'm sure they think that this means they will get emails from topics they follow. But they won't. They will *only* get special notices they follow, which means that they will get zero messages (under normal circumstances). Special Notices aren't really the kinds of things people will follow. But more to the point, allowing someone to be both Special Notices and Following Only makes them think that they will get emails from (normal, everyday) topics they follow, and that's not the case.

I think the UI for advanced preferences has to be redesigned to disallow the combination of Special Notices and Following Only, and to allow Following Only only if the member is also subscribed via Individual Messages, Digest, or Daily Summary.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I am right.

My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Owner box in photos being changed by members #bug

 

Hello,

I've changed it so that only moderators can change the ownership of photos.

Cheers,
Mark


moderated Re: Generic link type #suggestion

 

Hi,

These have been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Very minor #bug on subgroup Direct Add page #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 7:29 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
While looking at some things this morning, I noticed that on the subgroupdirectadd page (Admin > Direct Add of subgroup), the second column is headed Eame instead of Email.  You can probably fix this on your coffee break, assuming you get any. ;>)

My boss is a jerk; no coffee break for me. :-)

Fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Unable to set web notifications in Firefox mobile #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

following on from my last post about this I can no longer set notifications on Firefox mobile on my Android phone.  When I try to enable them, I see the 'Send A Test Notification' button but it does nothing. The device type/browser combination is not listed above that but the 'Disable Notification' button is shown which suggests it should be. If I tap the 'Disable Notification' button, I do get a prompt to confirm that action and if I confirm, I get back to the screen with the Enable option.  Doing a page refresh after trying the Enable and seeing the 'Send A Test Notification' button gives me the page with the Enable button again which seems to confirm it hasn't actually been set.



Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Generic link type #suggestion

Gilbert Coville
 

On Jan 21, 2021, at 7:28 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 02:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
it would be nice to have a generic link type that uses a more generic icon.  

Done.
 
The generic link pop-up panel has the same logo as OneDrive in the top left corner.

This is excellent!  Thank you, Mark.

As Andy mentioned, the initial pop-up to add a Generic Link shows the Microsoft OneDrive symbol.

Also, in the file list, I suggest replacing the word “Generic” with “Link”, or even the full phrase “Generic Link".  If there only other real files and subfolders in the folder, “Generic” might be confusing.

Gilbert


moderated Very minor #bug on subgroup Direct Add page #bug

Duane
 

While looking at some things this morning, I noticed that on the subgroupdirectadd page (Admin > Direct Add of subgroup), the second column is headed Eame instead of Email.  You can probably fix this on your coffee break, assuming you get any. ;>)

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Generic link type #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 02:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
it would be nice to have a generic link type that uses a more generic icon. 

Done.
 
The generic link pop-up panel has the same logo as OneDrive in the top left corner.

Andy


moderated Re: Generic link type #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:56 PM Gilbert Coville <gilbert-groups@...> wrote:

Instead of attempting to add a link type for every service out there, it would be nice to have a generic link type that uses a more generic icon.  A search for “external link Icon” brings up some familiar ones with a little square with an arrow pointing out of it.  Or you use the chain-link icon used in the groups.io message composer.

Done.

Cheers,
Mark 

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