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Re: More attachment size selections requested
Glenn
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 07:08 PM, Duane wrote:
Only if they've logged out or deleted cookies. You'll stay logged in indefinitely as long as you visit the site at least once every 30 days and don't delete cookies. In that case, the file pops up immediately when the browser opens. Yes, and I have my browser set to delete cookies on every exit, to avoid reduce tracking. A user-friendly email-based group shouldn't require keeping a login active on the host server.
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Re: More attachment size selections requested
Glenn
As you point out, whether or not it is already downloaded is a function of settings in the email client. My Thunderbird is set to always download attachments, so there are there when I get to the computer, which has been faithfully checking for new email regularly while I am doing other things. And the setting you mention is only available to IMAP clients not POP3 clients, which always download attachments.
If this thread has gone off topic, it is because you keep making suggestions that stray from the original point, in an attempt to convince me that the original point isn't valid, and I keep pointing out that your preferences are not universal, and that other people have different settings and opinions and processes. While your suggestions have some relationship to the original point, none of them have been convincing to me thus far.
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Dropbox Integration
#suggestion
Charlie W
I would really like to have Dropbox integration.
The google integration doesn't work, and it's got a Dropbox logo, so why not Dropbox? It looks like you had API v1 integration at one time: https://www.dropbox.com/developers/reference/migration-guide?_tk=guides_lp&_ad=deepdive8&_camp=v2 https://www.dropbox.com/developers/reference
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 03:14 PM, Duane wrote:
They're sorted by the original posting time... That has bugged me sometimesI wanted to expand on why I think it's so important to maintain the posted-date, rather than the edited-date, sort order of messages in the message list. I especially want to contrast this with the display of updated date of files, which I myself recently requested, and which (I think correctly) implemented. Messages, unlike files, are part of a flow of conversation. If I edit a message a week or a month after it was posted to, say, fix a spelling error, it should emphatically NOT move up a week out of its place in the conversation. That (IMHO) would be crazy and could very possibly make conversations very hard to follow. Not everyone quotes snippets of the message they're responding to in order to make it clear; many people, including those posting via email, simply post their answer. Imagine what would happen if their reply jumped a month, or a year, out of place because of a small edit. Updates to files, on the other hand, are a different beast. They are not part of chronological conversations, as I've already said, and updates to files would, or might, normally consist of more major changes in content than edits to messages. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Moving Topics To Subgroups
Scott Chase
Hi Christos, Eventually, post migration,
all the members
will become unmoderated after four posts, or as I open it up. And the replies come pretty fast after a everyone sees a new Topic. So, I would expect that it would be a series of messages associated with a Topic, by the time I can get to it. But, I'd also like to be able to move some Topics that came over during the Yahoo migration, too. Our group is growing, and so I'm trying to stay ahead of the curve and keep things as tidy as possible. Scott
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:57 PM Christos G. Psarras <christos@...> wrote:
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Re: Moving Topics To Subgroups
Scott, While I also see a value to be able to move a topic with all the associated replies to a subgroup (and also the corollary could also be valuable), I'm curious, when you want to move a topic in your case, is it after it had several replies, or do you want to move it as soon as you see it? If the latter, there is a roundabout way of doing what you want
to do, but before I post the way, I want to make sure to save me
the typing! Cheers, Christos
On 2020-01-09 00:01, Scott Chase via
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I really need to be able to move Topics to Subgroups, too. Our "main" group is for general discussion. And we use Subgroups to group specific genetic discussions and with only a subset of interested members. If a Topic is started in our "main" group that is specific to just a piece of a gene, I need to be able to move it to the appropriate Subgroup. Otherwise, the main group will get too broad and noisy, and some members will unsubscribe if the get too many Subgroup-type detailed e-mails.
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 03:14 PM, Duane wrote:
not enough to raise an issueI recall it having been raised (perhaps not by you) and debated at length. I've found a couple of prior topics (threads) referring to it but not yet the original. Here's one of them https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/2231163 -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 04:38 PM, RickGlaz-WEB wrote:
If you "continuously refine" your posts I hope/(guess?) they *move up*Actually, they don't. They're sorted by the original posting time, so only those on email are really aware that an edit was made. (I believe that those on Digest only get the most recent version when the digest is sent.) That has bugged me sometimes, but not enough to raise an issue. Duane
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Re: Deleting attachments when out of space
#update
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:06 PM, SP4149 wrote:
and when found it is impossible for an owner/moderator to strip the attachment and save the message.Quite easy actually. Follow the instructions for deleting attachments at https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Deleting%20attachments,%20files%20and%20photos Duane
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
RickGlaz-WEB <rickglaz4742435@...>
OTHERS Editing does not affect me (I guess). I mostly read and write
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on the Group.io site so I don't see older versions unless I dig into the edit logs.... If you "continuously refine" your posts I hope/(guess?) they *move up* in the timeline on the Group site. I never tried to notice how that worked. Rick
On January 9, 2020 at 4:46 PM Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@yandex.com> wrote:
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:07 PM, Scott Chase wrote:
I am already a bit frustrated and disappointed that every single time a member edits a message, another e-mail goes out to hundreds of members again, and again, and again. It got noisy fast, and I had some members already quit.You could do as other groups do, such as this one, and disable editing - no more problems. Duane PS This isn't FB - thankfully.
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 01:54 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:
A nice touch is if anyone can see a history of edits.That already exists by clicking on the blue "EDIT" button (with the caveat that moderators have the ability to delete prior revisions in case they contain material requiring deleted for some reason such as privacy or copyright). The fact is that users who are used to editing on other platforms may edit on Groups.io without realising that it has unintended, devastating consequences for mail users. Not unless they're not paying attention to the banner warning that comes up. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
On 09/01/2020 20:54, RickGlaz-WEB wrote:
It sounds like your members edit to move the thread forward orSpeaking for myself, on other online forums, if editing is allowed, I make good use of it to continuously refine my post. I want my post to make a good impression to readers who read it, and in many web-based forums, most readers don't read the post within seconds after it is created. I sometimes add paragraphs to clarify things, or I delete paragraphs that I feel detract from the central message that I was aiming for. So, yes, my posts may change significantly after people responded to my post, but that's their own fault for not quoting. I do not regard making edits to a post, even significant edits, as malicious. Sure, there will always be people who change their post to say the exact opposite, after lots of folks "liked" their post or posted "I agree", but forum designers should have thought about that before they allowed editing. A nice touch is if anyone can see a history of edits. Or, people can write a comment about why they edited the post, and if a moderator feels that their reason isn't valid or is misleading, they can take action against that user, if they care enough. The fact is that users who are used to editing on other platforms may edit on Groups.io without realising that it has unintended, devastating consequences for mail users. An alternative idea to re-posting the entire edited message would be that Groups.io post a short notice, "So-and-so edited this message, click this link to see the latest version of this message", ONCE ONLY (even if the user edits his message several times) to alert other users that the message that they see in their mail programs is not the one that the poster intended them to respond to. Samuel
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
RickGlaz-WEB <rickglaz4742435@...>
How would anyone know what was edited or when?
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In a Group I'm in, I try to never edit, or limit it to one time to correct a significant typo or an error/mis-communication. Something that should not stand/stay in the archives. It sounds like your members edit to move the thread forward or some reason I do not understand... Rick
On January 9, 2020 at 1:03 PM Scott Chase <Scott.A.Chase@Gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Why not allow Edit w/o resending
Scott Chase
Hi,
I am a new group owner. I am already a bit frustrated and disappointed that every single time a member edits a message, another e-mail goes out to hundreds of members again, and again, and again. It got noisy fast, and I had some members already quit. If I unmoderate a member, I already trust them. I personally see no reason that a trusted, unmoderated member can't have the "Save Without Sending" button, too. People are used to Facebook Groups, which allow members to edit their own messages. I don't like the idea of turning editing off, because people like being able to edit spelling, typos, etc.. And I think accurate content in the database is important. As a group owner, I'd like to have full control over the buttons my members can use in my own group, like "Save Without Sending". Scott, Owner of GCH1-Discussions
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Re: Deleting attachments when out of space
#update
For some lists I monitor the attachment image storage for storage that has gotten out of control. It is not possible to review and search all attachments conveniently. For example, video files eat up a lot of space and are not subject to the size limitations for image attachments, they don't show-up in the e-mail photo album, very cumbersome to find and when found it is impossible for an owner/moderator to strip the attachment and save the message. Before taking Draconian messages, it would be prudent to analyze what files are found stored as attachments and perhaps ban/restrict certain file types that are currently stored in attachments, but are not controlled by current image size restrictions. ken clark www.shastasprings.com
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Re: Moving Topics To Subgroups
Scott Chase
I really need to be able to move Topics to Subgroups, too. Our "main" group is for general discussion. And we use Subgroups to group specific genetic discussions and with only a subset of interested members. If a Topic is started in our "main" group that is specific to just a piece of a gene, I need to be able to move it to the appropriate Subgroup. Otherwise, the main group will get too broad and noisy, and some members will unsubscribe if the get too many Subgroup-type detailed e-mails.
Thanks, Scott Chase, Owner of the "GCH1-Discussions" Group
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Re: change or add "updated" date for updated files
I support that request. It would be very helpful in one of my groups which uses
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a lot of small files with frequent updates to some of them.
On 7 Jan 2020 at 9:34, J_Catlady wrote:
It might be helpful to see the date a file was updated, instead of or in --
http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating) http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you
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Re: Deleting attachments when out of space
#update
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 02:17 AM, Duane wrote:
I've made this change. Thanks, Mark
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Re: change or add "updated" date for updated files
Hi All, The Files section now displays the Updated date in the 'Uploaded' column. Cheers, Mark
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