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moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 10:56 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
I  changed the Visited / Unvisited colours in my browser (FF) and as far as I could see it made no difference whatsoever to the appearance of links within Groups.io.
Just below the color settings is an option box in FF.  By default, it selects "Only with High Contrast themes.", so I see the first attachment (Normal).  By choosing "Always", I see the second (Contrast).

Duane


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

 

It's almost as if accessible design can help everybody, even sighted folk. 🤔. It utterly baffles me how non disabled developers haven't grasped this yet. Mark actually cares, but he's one of the few that do.

Sure, some small navigational things can be done to make navigating threads easier for us screen reader peeps, but this contrast bug should be fixed across the whole website, not just the mentioned page. It should be a priority, and a bug, not a feature request.

Mark has done a great job wit accessible design so far.

Imagine you're using the app, for example, the upcoming app, and the son is in your eyes or something. Temporary blindness is a thing.

By the way, the upcoming app should be accessible too, contrast wise.


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 05:19 PM, Jason Diceman wrote:
It's just a matter that text links should always be obvious and easy to visually scan for
A valid point given the patently obvious existence of links in emails.

Chris


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

Bill Hazel
 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 01:09 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
My recommendation: Pemalinks (like message numbers). Assigned when the page is created, and never reused.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/28775194
Most people never look at URL's anyway. Try a YoutubeTVAxios or Amazon URL on for size.


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Jason Diceman
 

To clarify, it's not that the 'visited' status needs to be featured. It's just a matter that text links should always be obvious and easy to visually scan for.  Even for people with low vision or crappy monitors, without having to adjust their browse settings. 


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:15 PM, Duane wrote:
Based on some quick research, modern browsers have a setting to override page settings for Visited and Unvisited links, so anything used on a site such as Groups.io is only a suggested default.
I  changed the Visited / Unvisited colours in my browser (FF) and as far as I could see it made no difference whatsoever to the appearance of links within Groups.io.

As a rule this is not something that bothers me on Groups.io but I can see Jason's point. Another site I regularly use has links that change from blue to an unmistakable red once visited.

Chris


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Jason Diceman
 

To add 

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C is an international community that develops open standards to ensure the long-term growth of the Web) says:

Use a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and providing additional visual cues on focus for links or controls where color alone is used to identify them

See recommended standards: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/G183.html

Groups.io is fantastic in many ways. This would make it easier to use for more people.


moderated Re: Size limit changes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Jay Elvove wrote:
It should be widely shared with the entire groups.io community. 
If you look in the latest version of the Members Manual (dated yesterday, 1st May) you will find that the information is included there. See section 15 of the pdf version.

The "sharing action" is in place...

It is also in the Owners Manual, although perhaps it's not so easy to find.

Chris


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Thomas Gruber
 

See entry from 4/30/20


Am 02.05.2020 um 09:15 schrieb Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...>:

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 04:53 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

4/25/20:

  • CHANGE: The List-Id email header now includes the group id, to better help us parse FBL reports.
Wasn't this change rolled back?

Andy


moderated Re: Size limit changes #update

Jay Elvove
 

This is great news. It should be widely shared with the entire groups.io community. 


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

 

I'd imagine contrast needs to be worked on in general, not just the wiki page. But yes, this should be fixed. Contrast in general.


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 10:53 PM, Jason Diceman wrote:
this is a real problem that could be easily fixed with higher contrast color in the CSS.
Based on some quick research, modern browsers have a setting to override page settings for Visited and Unvisited links, so anything used on a site such as Groups.io is only a suggested default.  If someone is using those settings in their browser, changes made here wouldn't apply anyway.  I believe this #bug should be a #suggestion, if anything.

Duane


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 04:53 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

4/25/20:

  • CHANGE: The List-Id email header now includes the group id, to better help us parse FBL reports.
Wasn't this change rolled back?

Andy


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Jim Avera <jim.avera@...> wrote:
The CC line is still there.  I just got spammed by a moderator who did "reply all" to someone else's post. 

We don't add CC lines anymore. My guess is that whoever is sending the message is adding that CC line (or their email client is). We strip a bunch of email headers, but CC is not one. IIRC, we used to strip it, but people complained.


Mark 


moderated Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Jason Diceman
 

Depending on monitor contrast levels, it can be very difficult to see the difference between grey links and normal text in the wiki.

In terms of accessibility, like for users with reduced vision, this is a real problem that could be easily fixed with higher contrast color in the CSS.   

See WCAG 2.0 and Link Colors for best practice.

Please fix :-)


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

5/1/20:

  • NEW: Updated Help Center manuals with Nina's updates, including reformatted PDFs.
  • SYSADMIN: Continued debugging issues with the new database server.

4/30/20:

  • CHANGE: Documented photo/file upload size limits and increased them for premium/enterprise groups.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded the web servers with more memory to deal with increased file/photo upload sizes.
  • CHANGE: Rolled back the List-Id change from 4/25/20.

4/28/20:

  • BUGFIX: Sorting by file type in the Files section would sometimes return the same results over multiple pages because our sort criteria wasn't stable.
  • INTERNAL: We now clean up unused RSS feeds in the database.
  • INTERNAL: On an edited message, check if the digest message exists already before adding it, to prevent postgres log messages.
  • INTERNAL: Changed nginx log format back to combined to goaccess can parse user agents.
  • INTERNAL: Work to make it easier to add additional FBL providers.

4/27/20:

  • API: /getevent wasn't obeying the group calendar permissions setting.
  • NEW: We now parse more information about which message was flagged as spam from an FBL report, and send that out to the user and group owners.

4/25/20:

  • CHANGE: The List-Id email header now includes the group id, to better help us parse FBL reports.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

Jason Diceman
 

This is a fatal flaw.

Especially if you have multiple pages interlinked and then change the title of one.

Many other wikis and CMS have solved this.  Maybe just needs a search & replace script across all wiki pages any time a title (thus URL) is changed. 

Perma link ID works too, although makes for ugly URLs, I'd take that over broken links.

Pretty please.  


moderated Re: Size limit changes #update

 

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:38 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

If I understand correctly, these limits are for any single email, photo, or file. Correct?

Yes, that is correct. Sorry for any confusion.


Mark 


moderated include auto-sending of group guidelines in activity log #suggestion #done

 

It seems odd that the sending of the monthly group guidelines, whose date is included and displayed in "last message sent," is not included in the activity log. You see "May 1" for last message sent, and the activity log shows nothing beyond Ap 27, for example. It's easy to quickly figure out the reason for the disparity, but it's a little odd at first glance. So the suggestion is to include the sending of the group guidelines in the activity log.
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moderated Re: Size limit changes #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 06:55 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Previously, we've had the following size limits for all groups:
 
Emails: 100MB
Photos: 100MB (now 500 MB)
Files: 100MB (now 500 MB)
If I understand correctly, these limits are for any single email, photo, or file. Correct?

Bruce

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