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moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...>
 

Thanks for that


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:06 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
No, it’s not going to the group. Just the moderator.


On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...> wrote:


I totally agree.  I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or not but regardless it is going through the group.  Very annoying

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Rick N
 

I tested it again, and it still has the problems I reported. 

If I am not allowed to Ban members, the Members button offers choices of Moderators, Bouncing, and Banned.  Selecting Banned causes the blue button to lose the alphabetical label and every member is listed.

If I am allowed to Ban members, the Members button offers choices of Moderators, Bouncing, and Banned.  Selecting Banned causes the blue button to display 'Banned' and there is no one listed, as expected.

Rick


On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:38 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 08:49 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
It turned out that I did not have permission to Ban members.  When that was enabled, then the Banned member list display worked properly. Turning it back off caused the improper display again.
I cannot recreate this problem. With my Moderator account, regardless of whether banning members is enabled, the membership list display options work fine. If there is a problem, I think it's a bit more involved than just having permission to ban members(or not).

Andy


moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

 

No, it’s not going to the group. Just the moderator.


On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...> wrote:


I totally agree.  I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or not but regardless it is going through the group.  Very annoying

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...>
 

I totally agree.  I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or not but regardless it is going through the group.  Very annoying


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 05:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action.
That's true for browser push notifications as I understand it, but as you found out, you still get the email several minutes later.

Andy


moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 05:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen...
IIRC not receiving a notification of something that you have done yourself applies to push notifications, not emailed ones.

I am also having problems working things out; see this thread. I am still investigating, but it is a long process and I have to (a) await for the "aggregation delay" each time and (b) stop regularly in the hope of working out what I have and have not seen. IMHO as things stand the "Notifications" have the potential to cause more than a little confusion.

Chris


moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

 

I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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moderated Re: Databases #suggestion #done

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,
July 2, 2020 Not Done! on Premium Groups, Database Column Headers STILL scroll off the top of the screen in Map Mode
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moderated Re: Summary sent to pending members #bug #fixed

 

Missed the fix since I was not following the thread until I responded. Great that it was fixed so fast. :)
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moderated Re: Summary sent to pending members #bug #fixed

 

If this is true, it's a very bad bug and needs to be fixed asap! thanks!


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:10 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 06:16 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

I think I've tracked down and fixed the missing summaries bug.

Now it seems to have shifted the other way a bit.  Pending members are getting the summary.  I don't believe they're supposed to get anything about group postings until approved.  As near as we can tell, it's on groups that have chosen Summary as the default.

Thanks,
Duane


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moderated Re: Summary sent to pending members #bug #fixed

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 09:10 AM, Duane wrote:

Now it seems to have shifted the other way a bit.  Pending members are getting the summary.  I don't believe they're supposed to get anything about group postings until approved.  As near as we can tell, it's on groups that have chosen Summary as the default.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Summary sent to pending members #bug #fixed

Duane
 

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 06:16 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

I think I've tracked down and fixed the missing summaries bug.

Now it seems to have shifted the other way a bit.  Pending members are getting the summary.  I don't believe they're supposed to get anything about group postings until approved.  As near as we can tell, it's on groups that have chosen Summary as the default.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Database column headers obscuring description text #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I can see some changes have been made as the column header no longer overwrites the description (it would be good if the 'Show less' link was always left justified on its own line like the 'Show more' link). However, I've also noticed that the column header overwrites the Your Groups drop-down menu:




Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 08:49 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
It turned out that I did not have permission to Ban members.  When that was enabled, then the Banned member list display worked properly. Turning it back off caused the improper display again.
I cannot recreate this problem. With my Moderator account, regardless of whether banning members is enabled, the membership list display options work fine. If there is a problem, I think it's a bit more involved than just having permission to ban members(or not).

Andy


moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:49 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
I suggest that if a moderator is allowed to view the member list, then they should be allowed at least a view-only capability of the Pending and Banned members.
I would not like that to happen. There are some moderators in one of my groups who should have access to the members list but not the banned members list. I don't think all moderators should see pending members, either, unless they have permission to accept/reject members.

It should be possible to fix this issue without granting superfluous and (in some cases) undesirable viewing permissions.
 
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moderated Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Rick N
 

I'm a group owner of several groups and a moderator on others. I happened to be viewing member lists on a couple of groups and discovered one group I'm a moderator on had a problem when trying to display the Banned members.

There are 68 members in the group, with zero Bouncing members. When I clicked to view the Banned members, the button that should have said 'Banned' had no text on it, AND ALL 68 MEMBERS WERE LISTED.

It turned out that I did not have permission to Ban members.  When that was enabled, then the Banned member list display worked properly. Turning it back off caused the improper display again.

I suggest that if a moderator is allowed to view the member list, then they should be allowed at least a view-only capability of the Pending and Banned members. If an owner has chosen to ban someone, I'd like to be able to see who (their email address) in case they're also in my group.  Likewise, I'd like to be able to warn an owner about a prospective new member by being able to see who has applied to join that group.

Rick


moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Beth Weld
 

Thanks Mark
This will be helpful for a number of groups - but one idea if/when you roll it out to the membership.  Can you make them opt in instead of having to opt out like the moderators are set please?  I have a number of subgroups with several moderators, and they don't always want to see notifications. I have been explaining and turning off, but I can't do that with the membership.
Thanks again
Beth


moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:10 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
Another source of puzzlement was as follows: the "Uploaded By" column
in Files had my /member/ Display Name shown (expected). However, the
Notifications showed the uploads as having been carried out by my
moderator Display Name (NOT expected).
Oh, that is weird. Looking at the upload of 1:08pm today (PDT)...

I see the same discrepancy between the Files list and both the Moderator Notices and Group Notices I received for those files you uploaded. I think the combiner somehow combined more than it should have, attributing all the individual actions to one (the first?) actor.
I have at least got somewhere with this anomaly...

The emailed "attribution" uses the Account Display Name, not the individual Group Display Name. My 2 Account D/Ns were the same; I edited one of them and the "fault" followed the change.

Mark: is that intentional? It seems wrong to me.

More investigations to follow.

Chris


moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

 

Chris,

It suddenly occurred to me that the moderation requirement seen this
morning could be a function of the moderation status of the "uploader"
Possibly, but if it is I don't think it should be.

... my perspective is that of being heartily fed up with members who
upload "stuff" without bothering to announce the fact. ... and that I
and the other moderators have to trawl through the Activity Log to
find out what odd corner things have been put in.
You and the other moderators should receive the Moderator Notice for the action without regard for whether the actor chose to check "Notify Members".

If that's not working I think that would be a bug. This is really the core function I want from the Notification Overhaul.

A push notification is too transient to be of any help here.
For that reason I'll always keep email enabled for Moderator Notices. I'm not sure I'll use the Web/App delivery method at all. Its key advantage (from my point of view) is that it doesn't have the combiner delay, and that may not be enough to entice me.

Shal


moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

 

Chris,

... Integration sent message "File Notifications #file-notice"
requiring approval because it's a moderated integration message via
email.
I believe the word Integration there is a misnomer, relating to the Admin | Integrations feature. Not to be confused with the combiner.

I haven't fully tested everything yet but the implication is that a
"single upload notification" would pass through without moderation
being required.
I believe the inference is incorrect, caused by the terminology error in the Activity log entry.

I was unable to replicate what I had observed earlier. In all cases
the member notification went through without the need for moderation.
If the notifications were "To:" your personal address then they were Moderator Notices (my terminology), and moderation is not required.

If they were "To:" the group posting address the they were Group Notices (again my terminology) and should obey both the group's Moderation setting and the Moderated checkbox in the hashtag for that notice.

IMO the incorporation of the File Name into a single notification is
wrong; ...
Why? I think it is better to provide the additional information in the subject, when appropriate.

Another source of puzzlement was as follows: the "Uploaded By" column
in Files had my /member/ Display Name shown (expected). However, the
Notifications showed the uploads as having been carried out by my
moderator Display Name (NOT expected).
Oh, that is weird. Looking at the upload of 1:08pm today (PDT)...

I see the same discrepancy between the Files list and both the Moderator Notices and Group Notices I received for those files you uploaded. I think the combiner somehow combined more than it should have, attributing all the individual actions to one (the first?) actor.

Shal

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