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moderated Re: Bounce History

 

I think it would be helpful if instead of the Account page having a "Recent Bounces" tab, that was renamed "Delivery Errors". "Bounces" is only meaningful to people who understand the technology. An ordinary user, suffering delivery problems, even if they look on their account page, won't realise that the Bounces button is relevant.


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

 

Right. And because nobody is telling them to do otherwise, instead engaging in the conversation. It's taken over the forum.


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:05 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:40 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
why does this thread even exist in beta
Because people can't be bothered to take the time to read the message at the top of the Message/Topics/Expanded page here, nor the information found in the Home page description.

Duane


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locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

 

Speaking of Lock Topic, why does this thread even exist in beta rather than be locked? Beta is turning more and more into GMF each day. I am following fewer and fewer topics here and muting more and more of them. 
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locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 02:54 AM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Muting is available in the More menu if you have those permissions but it's called Lock Topic
Muting is something a Subsciber can do to avoid being distracted by messages that do not interest them. Lock Topic is an Owner / Moderator function that disables the reply option and prevents further posts under that topic heading.

They are not the same.

Chris


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Its called the Subject Tag in the group settings. Strange that her email post with a new subject to the group didnt get that appended to the subject line. I thought it was something to do
with the fact she made it html and it was quite a large email. I have attached the email as it came to me for your study and feedback, thanks.


moderated Re: Bounce History

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I second this request. I have bouncing issues right now and it was really hard to find out what happens.

Whene bouncing occurres both admin and user whose mail bounces has to be informed with proper technical details (copy of bounced message so message and headers may be investigated). That would really help to understand that there is an issue and possibly quickly find out the cause.

I had headache for days trying to find why as mail from groups.io stops coming, then bouncing notice on groups.io site shows up days later.

I had god position that I administer my mail server so I could search through the logs. i finally found out that groups.io is reported as SPAM source by at least one SPAM list. For now I isolated SURBL as one that reports groups.io as SPAM. It seems groups.io was failry quickly removed from SURBL database but not quickly enough to avoid people get into problems caused by bouncing.

I am yet to find out if there is more such cases besides SURBL.

Apart from obvious issue why groups.io is reported as SPAM, problem is that users do not get any warning about bouncing happens except that messages stop coming. It looks like warnings are sent by email (and bounced as well). Notice on site shows few days after messages stop coming. It should show up immediately as groups.io recognizes bouncing. and that warning should contain more info, specific technical details about bounced mail so user (or admin) may investigate and handle issue.

If there are more messages involved, history should be available.

It seems this spam filters reporting groups.io as SPAM source is not isolated case. I guess groups.io administration could open channel where users and admins may report SPAM detection so cases may be investigated and dealt with.


moderated Re: Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete ... (or to deactivate member deletions)

 

You’re stepping into a minefield here. I and a few others been requesting this for a long time, but it will never happen because of perceived legal issues. Try to do a search on this to find past discussions here.


On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:47 PM, YSWT via Groups.Io <perlloaderplease@...> wrote:


#Request for Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete messages... (or to deactivate member deletions)  

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moderated Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete ... (or to deactivate member deletions)

YSWT
 


#Request for Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete messages... (or to deactivate member deletions)  


locked Re: categorisation

 

All,

This topic has run its course. I'm locking it.

Mark


locked Re: categorisation

Bob Bellizzi
 

That's just emotional nonsense.
Is that your usual final argument?  Everyone else is just too emotional and spouting nonsense?
Obviously you don't scan replies very well.

The truth that they would be uninteresting to most people doesn't mean they're trying to hide from everyone else.
We never said they were trying to hide.   That seems to be your impression.
I simply said that the purpose and intent of most groups is just none of your business.
Those that wish to proslytize will do so.
Those who don't, won't and if that sticks in your craw, sorry about that.

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Bob Bellizzi


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

Since you are viewing the message IN YOUR GROUP, adding (your group) to the subject would be redundant.  It's only on the emailed version to identify the message further at your email client for you.

The Mute topic, footer and other stuff is not a part of the original sender's message either.  they are only added on to the 'repeated' message sent out to the group.

If you look just below the message (on a computer) you will see Reply, Like and More
Additional functions are in the More link ( the number of items in this menu depends on your status as regular subscriber or moderator/owner and how your permissions are set)
Muting is available in the More menu if you have those permissions but it's called Lock Topic
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Bob Bellizzi


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 09:44 PM, Technotronic Dimensions wrote:
Looks identical on the group web view, but for sure the normal footer that includes the "mute topic" and other stuff is not there. Also
the group name enclosed in the brackets IE : [ My Group ] thats usually put in the subject line is not there.
Perhaps this is the case of an an email reply where the person replying edited the reply. 
 
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locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Looks identical on the group web view, but for sure the normal footer that includes the "mute topic" and other stuff is not there. Also
the group name enclosed in the brackets IE : [ My Group ] thats usually put in the subject line is not there.


locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:12 AM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
This isn't anything like ebay or any other sales platform.


It's not about sales it's about effective ways to manage data. eBay does that because it boosts sales but the principle is the same regardless of your motive. Your completely missing the point by focusing on the sales element.

Many groups are highly specialized and are absolutely none of anyone else's business.
Many groups are highly specialized; diseases, advocacies, and other types.  Again, if you don't exactly fit, they don't wish you nose into what they do.


Most groups are not the freemasons or some other secret society. They are not trying to hide and have nothing to hide. You can't make that assertion for them. Unless you join there's precious little to see other than if you want to join. So no one's nosing into anything. That's just emotional nonsense.

The truth that they would be uninteresting to most people doesn't mean they're trying to hide from everyone else.

More groups want to expand membership than not. As evidenced by the fact they are open to new members  The few that don't are closed to join or invite only.

I wouldn't want to join most groups. But I want to find the ones I do. I have joined one of the specialist disease  groups because I have it. Otherwise I would have just browsed past it. I couldn't have joined it if I hadn't found it by browsing. Again not something I would have searched for. I don't dwell on my disease.




Regarding postal codes; again, some groups cover the world or a single country, one language or over 100.
And, as mentioned pointedly previously, what business is it of your's or anyone else?


I have no idea what your talking about I've never mentioned postal codes. I've mentioned that some groups are strictly local as they're amongst the ones I don't want to see while I'm browsing. Precisely because they're not relevant to me doh!

Anything I want to make my business is my business. That's not for you to dictate. I'll decide what interests me and each group can choose for themselves if they want to have me. That's none of your business because you're not me and you're not those groups.

Are you making these suggestions to enable some kind of information harvesting?

LOL paranoid much? How would that work exactly? The only information worth harvesting would be other people's names and contact details. Nothing I'm suggesting would make that possible.

Wake up to the fact that what I want is exactly what I've stated clearly and repeatedly. A browse function that's practical to use because I can exclude areas I know im not interested in.

I can allready browse all the groups. If there were some imaginary data worth harvesting from what that shows there'd be a script for it.

People love to browse. They do it in all walks of life for many different reasons. It's in our nature to enjoy looking through things for the things we like or want.

Why are you finding that such a difficult concept to grasp or accept?

Seriously, resistance to change is a natural quality in some people but when that change doesn't take anything away from what you allready have why so entrenched? You may not need a particular feature but if someone else does why do you care?

Ant👣


moderated Re: Clarifying status of transfer in upload queue

monamouroui
 

I'm sure it's not possible, but a solution to the bottle neck could be to only install the transfer of all the members for every group in the queue, and then later add the archives, files, photos, etc. This way groups can send new messages via GIO immediately instead of a month down the road. 

Sara


On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 6:35 PM txercoupemuseum.org <ercoguru@...> wrote:
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This would allow group owners to more timely follow-up as necessary DURING the presently lengthy “waiting for upload” step that has become a significant “bottleneck” (considering some 964 groups already ahead of us in the groups.io import queue).  It would better inform group owners, remove unnecessary delay in initiating necessary “follow-up requests”, and remove much of the present frustration arising out of ongoing uncertainty regarding the specific status of any given group’s transfer.



moderated Re: Clarifying status of transfer in upload queue

txercoupemuseum.org
 

I agree completely with Scott.  I would go even further and ask that the promised “notification of successful download” with details of WHAT was successfully downloaded go out immediately after “completion” of download.  

This would allow group owners to more timely follow-up as necessary DURING the presently lengthy “waiting for upload” step that has become a significant “bottleneck” (considering some 964 groups already ahead of us in the groups.io import queue).  It would better inform group owners, remove unnecessary delay in initiating necessary “follow-up requests”, and remove much of the present frustration arising out of ongoing uncertainty regarding the specific status of any given group’s transfer.

Indeed, it would seem any upload “bottleneck” would be independent of Yahoo server capacity; that part of the process having likely been completed for many of said 964 groups.  Perhaps renting/leasing server time (as opposed to buying greater server capacity than is needed for the foreseeable future once the current Yahoo stampede is over) could mitigate the present “bottleneck”?  

Waiting a few days is no big deal.  The possibility of waiting weeks or even months is the elephant in the room no one is addressing.  Such delay could undercut the credibility of many group owners with their subscribers.

Regards,

WRB

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On Nov 3, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Scott Chase <Scott.A.Chase@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,
Also, not providing any status results from the Stage 1&2 download, and then only providing the current wording for your Stage 3, seemed a bit vague & uncertain to me -- at least until I started reading support clarifying questions and reassuring replies here. The queue seems to move slow, and I just wanted to make absolutely sure a transfer would complete before the Dec 14th deadline, and that it wasn't dependent on my position in the "queue", which isn't moving very fast at this point.

To help clarify/summarize the current state of the transfer, especially for new customers here, could you please enhance the wording for Stage 3 to something like this?...

Your group has been successfully downloaded from Yahoo and that file is now safely stored on our server. Your group is now awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the Groups.io import queue.

Thanks,
Scott



locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

Have you checked the message in the online archive at groups.io to see if it is incomplete?
Most of the time the issue is at the final terminus as someone else said
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moderated Re: Line break to messages

Benoît Dumeaux
 

After the Y!G transfert I have lot of message with problem of line break.

I spend hours manually removing line breaks. I find a line Break Removal Tool but it's suck…

Could you be add a tool to the edit pannel?


moderated Re: Need different nomenclature of the transfer queue

Scott Chase
 

Hi Mark,
Also, not providing any status results from the Stage 1&2 download, and then only providing the current wording for your Stage 3, seemed a bit vague & uncertain to me -- at least until I started reading support clarifying questions and reassuring replies here. The queue seems to move slow, and I just wanted to make absolutely sure a transfer would complete before the Dec 14th deadline, and that it wasn't dependent on my position in the "queue", which isn't moving very fast at this point.

To help clarify/summarize the current state of the transfer, especially for new customers here, could you please enhance the wording for Stage 3 to something like this?...

Your group has been successfully downloaded from Yahoo and that file is now safely stored on our server. Your group is now awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the Groups.io import queue.

Thanks,
Scott


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

Techno wrote:
Today a member posted a long 35K message via email that was in HTML. It seemed not all of it was processed, as
the email we got from the group led us to believe there was even more to read, because the normal footer appended to all the group messages was not there,
and the [ Group name ] part of the subject line was also not there.

Is this a setting correctable in the group settings ? Some of it seems to me that its inadvertently triggered a bug.

Have you looked at the raw message in your mailer? All 35K might be there; just some fault in the rendering. Maybe a rendering bug in your mail application or in the way the HTML was formed.



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