Thanks, Chris. I unfortunately mistook that for a reply to my private message and thought I was responding here. I look forward to your comments onlist.
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I think the hashtag should not have “moderated” set as a default, if that’s what’s going on. And the term “integration messsge” seems inexplicable and is confusing. 

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On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 05:14 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

Why do upload notifications go through pending and require approval?

I would also consider that a bug when it occurs even when the #photo-notice hashtag does NOT have the 'Moderated' option checked, as it does now.  I would expect it to go straight through in that case.  (I won't be turning it off for my groups though, to avoid the umpteen notifications, even with the combiner function, that could be generated by someone unfamiliar with the system.)

Duane

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:14 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

...this will be my final post until someone actually engages on the issue:

I'll come back with some observations later when I have more time available.

Chris

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:43 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

The number of posts in rapid succession has already obscured the issue for me.

Fair enough. Bad habit of mine. Let me clarify it, and this will be my final post until someone actually engages on the issue:

1. Why do upload notifications go through pending and require approval? This seems confusing and unnecessary.
2. Why are upload notifications labelled as coming from "integration" and logged as "Moderated integration message"? They seem to have nothing to do with integration (in the sense of groups.io term "integration" as it applies to Facebook, etc., which is apparently the origin of the term here). This is also confusing.
 
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 05:49 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

the issue I'm calling attention to here,

The number of posts in rapid succession has already obscured the issue for me.

Andy

And: I am posting here about it because I would consider - heck, I DO consider - this to be a bug. It's not expected behavior. Someone in your group uploads a file or a photo, and checks "notify members," and the notification message comes through pending. There are going to be a lot of users mystified by this and thinking it's a bug. Hence, by that definition (unexpected behavior), it is one. (I think I'm bug, therefore I am?;)
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Right. It's all coming back to me about that combiner.

That said, it's not the issue I'm calling attention to here, namely: can someone please explain to me why file and photo notifications (for example) are (a) considered integration messages (apparently derived from Facebook integrations, et al) and (b) even more mysteriously, why they must be moderated? I missed the boat when the testing of the notification overhaul was happening. I now find a bunch of threads about these "moderated integration messags" but none that make any sense to me.
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 04:36 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

Aha, turns out it takes about 10 minutes, just came through into pending. A notification is sent to pending regardless of whether or not the member doing the upload is moderated. And I don't understand why.

It's the notifications combiner. See https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25562

Andy

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 08:34 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

at least within about five minutes of the upload

Aha, turns out it takes about 10 minutes, just came through into pending. A notification is sent to pending regardless of whether or not the member doing the upload is moderated. And I don't understand why. The notification contains no content that would seem to need moderation.
 
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In further testing this to see whether it applies only to moderated members, I uploaded a file as a non-moderated member and in this case, although the "notify members" box was checked, there was no notification message at all. I did this several times and no notification was ever sent, at least within about five minutes of the upload. So to summarize, I'm finding

1 If a moderated member uploads a file and checks the notification box, the notification message goes into pending (and I can't understand why it should); and
2. If a non-moderated member does the same thing, no notification is sent at all.

I've done both of these things several times and both seem to be serious bugs. What am I missing?
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The activity log entry reads as follows:
Integration sent message "File Notifications #file-notice" requiring approval because it's a moderated integration message via email

I vaguely remembered an issue here with "moderated integration messages," did a search, and found this thread:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/75216705#25702

I did not see any conclusion there and I still would classify this behavior as a bug.
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(This is a revision to a bug report I sent before but which has not come through yet.)

Group members on moderation who upload a file are able to do that without requiring approval, and that's fine. However, if they check the "notify members" box, the notification message itself goes into pending and requires approval. That seems wrong. The notification comes from the system and is not a message from the member that needs approval.
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I am also finding a lack of navigation controls for the Direct Invite screen. I see only the 1st 20 records and no way to get to the rest. True on all groups, all platforms, all browsers.

_A

I noticed this morning that I'm unable to delete revisions from the Wiki pages.  After I click on Delete This Revision, it takes me to the Wiki home page.  When I go back to the page I was trying to delete the revision from, it shows the original number of revisions in the upper right corner.  Click on that and see all of them.

Thanks,
Duane

On 09/18/20 22:02, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Changes to the site this week:
* CHANGE: You can once again set a direct add and/or invite message as
the active message.

Great! Thanks.

Drew

yes sir, my getactivitylog script is functioning normally again.

thanks for FAST turn around.

Les

... and now its working fine in chrome.

api still returns server error.

i am not seeing any navigation links for the activity log. i see 20 results, i know there are a lot more. but no way to access via links. 
i checked the returned HTML, see below, but the "next 20" does not display on chrome.

i don't know if this is related, but via API:
    https://groups.io://api/v1/getactivitylog