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Re: Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

Paul Evans W4/VP9KF
 

As you should know by now, the list of 'bad' IP addresses is fetched by e-mail server admins from Spamhaus. The rate at which this is done (under a cron process) is, within reason, as often as they like. In practice the default is often every 24 hours. How long they live in the receiving e-mail server is also set at a decay pace by the admin., so if the timing is just 'right' and addresses are injected while Spamhaus has them 'up', it could take 1-2 days for a server to clear out definitions (often using a TTL algorithm). Unless, of course, an admin manually flushes the cache, although it's normally 'all or nothing' so they must remember to fetch manually from Spamhaus for fear of getting a bunch of real trash thru until the next fetch.

In practice, it'll last as long as it takes. The only thing you can ever do is inform Spamhaus that it's really not correct and make sure it at least cannot be included on the next fetch by any given e-mail server...... It certainly used to run by IP addr., so it's most annoying when used on sources that are using Shared servers or VPSes. That often blocks out many domains!


Re: Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 05:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I am investigating this and will report more later this afternoon.
Many thanks for your efforts on a Sunday!

Chris


Re: Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

 

Hi All,

We were blocked by Spamhaus earlier this morning for a few hours. We are not currently blocked by them, but it appears that some places cache this.

I am investigating this and will report more later this afternoon.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
we use leading industry providers of blacklists to ensure only good senders can send email to us.
The "leading industry provider" seems to be Sorbs Spam. See https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a66.175.222.12&run=toolpage 

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

Christos G. Psarras
 

Hmm, apparently soemthing is affot, I also got it from a seanet.com address:

spamtitan.isomedia.com: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [66.175.222.12] blocked using public.isobl.org; see http://antispam.isomedia.com/?ip=66.175.222.12 for more info and to be unbanned

Cheers,
Christos


Re: Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

Dave Sergeant
 

Quite a few to me have bounced today as well, my mail goes via 1&1
Ionos:

mx00.1and1.co.uk: 554 kundenserver.de (mxeue010) Nemesis ESMTP Service
not available No SMTP service IP address is black listed. For
explanation visit
https://www.ionos.com/help/index.php?id=2425&ip=66.175.222.12&c=bl

Dave

On 25 Oct 2020 at 8:34, Chris Jones via groups.io wrote:

A group of which I am a member posted a message to say that messages
sent by the Group were not being delivered.

Similar email delivery problems have manifested themselves on a group I
Moderate, and examination of my own email delivery history shows my
service provider bouncing emails from Groups.io because...

*mx.lb.btinternet.com: 522 email sent from 66.175.222.12 found on
industry IP blacklists (Spamhaus/Invaluement/ReturnPath) on 2020/10/25
15:20:41 GMT. To protect our customers, we use leading industry
providers of blacklists to ensure only good senders can send email to
us. If believe this is a mistake, please contact them directly as there
is nothing our Postmaster will be able to do.*

I don't know how many mail service proividers may have acted upon this
erroneous blacklisting. FWIW this problem seems to have arisen recently,
such as this morning UK time. Other than on the group I moderate my
Groups.io activity is via the web UI so I have no means of knowing how
widespread this problem might be.

http://davesergeant.com


Groups.io Allegedly Blacklisted #misc

Chris Jones
 

A group of which I am a member posted a message to say that messages sent by the Group were not being delivered.

Similar email delivery problems have manifested themselves on a group I Moderate, and examination of my own email delivery history shows my service provider bouncing emails from Groups.io because...

mx.lb.btinternet.com: 522 email sent from 66.175.222.12 found on industry IP blacklists (Spamhaus/Invaluement/ReturnPath) on 2020/10/25 15:20:41 GMT. To protect our customers, we use leading industry providers of blacklists to ensure only good senders can send email to us. If believe this is a mistake, please contact them directly as there is nothing our Postmaster will be able to do.

I don't know how many mail service proividers may have acted upon this erroneous blacklisting. FWIW this problem seems to have arisen recently, such as this morning UK time. Other than on the group I moderate my Groups.io activity is via the web UI so I have no means of knowing how widespread this problem might be.

Chris


Re: Compare page error (maybe) #bug

Gilbert Coville
 

The comparison used to be on the pricing page. Here are a couple Wayback Machine snapshots that show that API access for Basic changed at some point between January and April 2020.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200110180601/https://groups.io/static/pricing
https://web.archive.org/web/20200405154828/https://groups.io/static/pricing

Gilbert

On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Bruce Bowman <@BruceBowman> wrote:

The plan comparison page at https://groups.io/static/compare shows that Basic groups have access to the API.

I don't recall any announcement to this effect. What's in error, the page or my memory?

Thanks,
Bruce


Re: Change message-ID when a message is edited #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 10:33 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
If there’s any way to fix this without changing the ID, that would be greatly oreferable because, of course, it’s the thing that identifies the message. I wonder what other problems would pop up if the message ID changes every time it’s edited.

To be clear, the message-ID in an outgoing email is not the same as the message identifier that appears in the archive.

From Wikipedia:  "Message-IDs are required to have a specific format which is a subset of an email address and be globally unique. No two different messages must ever have the same Message-ID. If two messages have the same Message-ID, they are assumed to be the same and one version is discarded." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message-ID 

So the question is, do you want all outgoing messages that show the edit to be discarded on the receiving end? That's what the standard is...thankfully, many do not follow it.

The proposal could have some effect on message threading, though. It could be better to treat the edited message as a "reply" to the original. I'll leave such details to the expert.

Regards,
Bruce



Re: Change message-ID when a message is edited #suggestion

 

If there’s any way to fix this without changing the ID, that would be greatly oreferable because, of course, it’s the thing that identifies the message. I wonder what other problems would pop up if the message ID changes every time it’s edited.


On Oct 25, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

When a message (or poll) is edited, in most cases it is desirable to relay that edit to the group. However, the message-ID field in the outgoing message is left unchanged, causing some mail providers to fail to deliver it. There may be technical reasons that I'm unaware of why this must be so, but delivery of message edits would be more reliable if the message-ID was updated.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Change message-ID when a message is edited #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

When a message (or poll) is edited, in most cases it is desirable to relay that edit to the group. However, the message-ID field in the outgoing message is left unchanged, causing some mail providers to fail to deliver it. There may be technical reasons that I'm unaware of why this must be so, but delivery of message edits would be more reliable if the message-ID was updated.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Sandi D
 

Diito that. Services have been dropped by more companies than I care to count. And if not dropped, I have seen them transition over into something different. All I can do is evaluate those currently in business and make decisions based on available information. My groups weren't any of those bailing from Yahoo. I came to GIO well before. I have no qualms about moving or disbanding "my" 2 mailing list groups from Google Workgroups should it no longer serve our needs.

I will agree that Mark's ear is alert to those offering input. It has been challenging for me to keep abreast of all the changes to GIO. I am not saying it's bad, but it does keep me busy reading, clarifying, implementating and informing my group members of what gets rolled out! 
--
Sandi Dickenson
ASG Volunteers Group


Compare page error (maybe) #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

The plan comparison page at https://groups.io/static/compare shows that Basic groups have access to the API.

I don't recall any announcement to this effect. What's in error, the page or my memory?

Thanks,
Bruce


Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 08:15 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I’ve never seen that kind
typo, never seen that LINE
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

 

I’ve never seen that kind because my group has editing disabled. But if it indicated when editing is allowed, I think it should also stats when it’s disallowed.


On Oct 24, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 03:45 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Perhaps the group's home page should specify whether or not editing posts is allowed.
Good point; FWIW If any given group does permit editing of messages then there is a line in Group Settings on the Home Page that reads Members can edit their messages. If editing is not enabled then that entry disappears; perhaps Members cannot edit their messages might be better than making no mention of the point whatsoever. Better that than the concept of "a lack of information is actually information".

Chris

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 03:45 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Perhaps the group's home page should specify whether or not editing posts is allowed.
Good point; FWIW If any given group does permit editing of messages then there is a line in Group Settings on the Home Page that reads Members can edit their messages. If editing is not enabled then that entry disappears; perhaps Members cannot edit their messages might be better than making no mention of the point whatsoever. Better that than the concept of "a lack of information is actually information".

Chris


Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 04:58 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I was expecting such a feature should be the same as in the group where I made my first experience. :-)
That's a good point. The seeming inconsistency could be confusing to users. Perhaps the group's home page should specify whether or not editing posts is allowed.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

M K Ramadoss
 

Google has a history of dropping their products.
Let's be ready for a surprise.
GIO if on sound financial footing, is likely to last. My 0.02

MKR

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
I wouldn't assume that the same won't happen to Google groups
Or Groups.io for that matter.  The only constant in life is change.

Duane


Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
I wouldn't assume that the same won't happen to Google groups
Or Groups.io for that matter.  The only constant in life is change.

Duane


Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Andrea Grillini
 

Many thanks, Duane!

I feel more comfortable now. I just recently discovered yahoo groups service is discontinued and groups.io kind of took their place, but I may already say I do like the groups.io interface, especially when there I'm allowed to edit my messages after posting them. :-)

A.


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:04 PM, Duane wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 05:34 AM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I arrived at the URL below and I mistook that content for the answer to my question
Since you're not a group owner/mod, you should have been looking in the Members Manual, not the Owners Manual.  The Members Manual does mention that owner/mods can always edit messages, but the manual is written from a member viewpoint.  FYI, if there's something that you're not sure about, such as this, it would be better to ask questions on Group_Help or GMF rather than here on the beta group.  If it turns out to be a real bug, it can then be reported here.

Duane