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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

Adrian Goenendyk wrote
I updated to premium a few weeks ago but just got around to transferring from Yahoo.  I only need to transfer members and emails.  There are no files, attachments, links, ect.  In addition to wanting to know if you will re-enable transfers, I would also like to know if this is something I can do myself.  If it is, can you please provide some guidance.

If Groups.io cannot accommodate you, you should be able to do this yourself with two pieces of software from Personal Groupware.

Personal Groupware Offline (PGO4) automatically downloads all the messages (and attachments, files, and photos if you have them.

Personal Groupware Offline to Groups,io (PGO-2-GIO) uploads the files to a group you create in Groups.io. Message numbers will be maintained, and attachments (if any) will be retained.

At this very moment I just checked and downloads from Yahoo are working.


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Larry Marks


moderated In the queue?

Rol
 

 

Hi Mark,

 

Thanks for struggling through the Yahoo glitches!

 

I have been patiently waiting since yesterday, having followed your instructions then not to upgrade until the Yahoo problem is fixed. 

 

Now it is the afternoon of Dec 1 and I am worrying I will lose my ability to transfer our group entirely.

 

Am I still in the queue if Yahoo gets fixed and you can do transfers again?

 

Can I at least upgrade now and transfer everything except the message posts?

 

Any other solution for me and our 2,000 members?

 

Cheers,

     Rol

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moderated What constitutes an "existing transfer request"? Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage

Kathleen Michels
 

Hi Mark,
 We paid for the premium upgrade before being aware of the latest outage. You wrote: 
"Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline."

So by "existing"  - does our paid for upgrade to premium constitute an "existing" request? We received acknowledgement of the upgrade to premium payment but not able to go on to next step in the transfer- the button was  not active. This applies to at least  3 lists I am involved in (have helped pay for).

Thanks so much!
-Kathy

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:14 PM Kathleen Michels via Groups.Io <michelskm2016=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
So by existing - do you mean complete up to upgrade to premium  paid for? We received acknowledgement of upgrade to premium payment but not able to go on to next step

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:13 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?

Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark



moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Duane wrote:
Of course, if their deletion of content is as accurate as their "no uploads" deadline, the messages may be there for months
Ha!
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...>
 

Hi,

I updated to premium a few weeks ago but just got around to transferring from Yahoo.  I only need to transfer members and emails.  There are no files, attachments, links, ect.  In addition to wanting to know if you will re-enable transfers, I would also like to know if this is something I can do myself.  If it is, can you please provide some guidance.

Thanks,
Adrian


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Larry Denenberg
 

Us too. We got our ducks in a row before December 1, but that wasn't soon enough, it turns out.

I have independently requested my content from Yahoo, and (like another poster) was surprised to get *all* content from *all* groups I belong too. Perhaps if group transfers were re-enabled just for member lists, or maybe for everything but messages, Mark could arrange for restoring messages later, at leisure, from these downloaded content stores, rather than from Yahoo itself.


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 02:24 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th.
That's not the way most people are interpreting the YG announcement.  The say you can continue as an email only group, but specifically mentioned that Conversations will be deleted.  Of course, if their deletion of content is as accurate as their "no uploads" deadline, the messages may be there for months! ;>)

Duane


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote:

the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from
all the groups that I was ever subscribed to
That's actually somewhat scary!
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J
I'm curious to see if I ever get anything. I requested the contents of the groups I belonged to, including one group that Yahoo later said didn't exist. Anymore, I'm convinced Yahoo could screw up an anvil.

Then again, pessimists get a lot of nice surprises. We'll see!

Dano


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Oops, sorry... we also need to move the members!

On 12/1/2019 1:20 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
Hi Mark,

I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th. Would you be able to keep trying to transfer them after the 14th? (I've downloaded the photos and files, and I can upload them manually if I have to. But Yahoo wouldn't give me the messages.)

Thanks!
Jerry

On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:12:59 PST, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Hi Mark,

I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th. Would you be able to keep trying to transfer them after the 14th? (I've downloaded the photos and files, and I can upload them manually if I have to. But Yahoo wouldn't give me the messages.)

Thanks!
Jerry

On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:12:59 PST, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: if you want to try to export your stuff...

Fred Hicks
 

Definitely worked to download 12k+ members from the list I care about the most!


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:22 AM <ajomccauley@...> wrote:
...just as a backup plan, truly!

This member export script worked for me. I was able to get our list of 1700 members exported to json files of 100 members each (you might be able to go bigger, I didn't try):
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/79909487/Chrome%20Application%20to%20Download%20Members

Note: I didn't use the chrome extension, I looked at the code and got the data exported simply by going to the URL (I think if you download the ZIP and look at it, you'll see what I mean).
Note: I did this before November.
Note: I haven't tried the companion script to download the message archive.

Hope this helps! I'm on my phone at the moment, but if there's interest, I can dig up some more info, I think I still have stuff saved on my computer.

(To be clear, we used and were beyond happy with the groups.io transfer service, I only did this download as a "just in case" backup.)

Cheers,
Alison



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moderated Hashtags also supported in the email body

David Baker (CASRAI) <dbaker@...>
 

I am a new user and we are assessing groups.io for our not-for-profit project. I loved to hear that hashtags were supported but was surprised to learn that they were only supported in the subject line. Has there been discussion for/against also supporting hashtags in the body? I did a cursory search for this kind of thing but failed to find it.

Outside of Twitter I was first introduced to hashtags in Discourse. As I was writing in the body of a post I could add hashtags as needed and they worked without adding content to the subject line.

As a newbie I may be missing the value of the subject-line-only feature. But I'm willing to learn.


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Kathleen Michels
 

So by existing - do you mean complete up to upgrade to premium  paid for? We received acknowledgement of upgrade to premium payment but not able to go on to next step


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:13 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?


Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: if you want to try to export your stuff...

Frances
 

Some other options in the FAQ on transferring on Group Managers Forum.

See #10 and #14.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups

Wiki and message archive does not require group membership. Posting does.

Frances


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Ann Kelsey
 

Mark,

Can you enable the transfer request option for those of us who would like to initiate the transfer without messages, but couldn't go through the transfer request process due to it being disabled on Friday?

What my group really needs are the photos and member list. I downloaded the messages through the yahoo download manager. Of course it would be nice to have them integrated, but getting a transfer of the photos and member list would make things much easier for us in launching the group on groups.io. 

Thanks.

Ann Kelsey


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?


Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Kathleen Michels
 

Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Thank you!
Kathy

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 1:35 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

Once again, I've had to disable new transfer requests. Yahoo is erroring out for the vast majority of our requests. I'll update if/when this changes.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:23 AM David Hartwell via Groups.Io <hartwelld=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

1) Does the outage only affect transfer of messages, or everything? I don't need messages transferred, just everything else. So I'm wondering if maybe the present outage wouldn't prevent this. (I have already archived our Yahoo group messages and am working on getting them in mbox file format for import).

Mostly it just affects messages. Photos, files and member lists seem to be ok.

 
2) I think we need some transfer help. Presently, the transfer of our group (UnsolvedProblems), seems to be stuck in limbo. It was first attempted about a month ago and a few more times since. When I try it again, it just says "That Yahoo Group is already a part of another transfer." but there is no transfer status and nothing has been transferred. The transfer steps were not done exactly in order (due to a change in group ownership mid-way), so maybe that's the cause.


If you, or anyone else, wants to go ahead with the transfer but without messages, first, go into your transfer request and uncheck the Messages box. Then contact me off-list with the name of your Groups.io group and your Yahoo Group. I cannot guarantee that, if Yahoo ever fixes the messages issue, that I'd be able to go back later and get the messages for your group. But you'd have everything else transferred.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 08:23 AM, Juulz wrote:
it also contains full email addresses from groups that have them hidden from membership!
And also, unless I'm misunderstanding it seems you're implying it contains content from after people left (or, in some cases, were ousted) from their groups, which is content they should not be seeing if the group messages are private.

BTW, every time I see this subject title it at first parses as "Another Yahoo Groups outrage" before my brain makes the correction.:-)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Juulz
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:32 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
That's actually somewhat scary!
It is, actually.

When opened with an mbox reader, it also contains full email addresses from groups that have them hidden from membership!