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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

David Tuma
 

How do I find out where in the transfer queue I am?

w/r,
David







On Oct 24, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:

> You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

If that's the cause of the growing queue, I wonder if it's wise to offer a priority possibility in a period of an increasing number of customers and a deadline because of the upcoming closure of Yahoo Groups.
If Groups.io cannot deliver on the demand before the closure of Yahoo Groups, it has to refund a lot of payments (because of not fulfilling the agreements). If there's a continuous stream of customers with priority (I think companies, because 200 dollar is an exorbitant amount for individuals), the backlog is growing bigger and cannot be solved anymore.

I think the current priority should be eliminating the backlog instead of making money from priority requests.

Harm



moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Jim Member
 

Sorry, I gotta go. I'll try you when I get home but if not maybe we can connect tomorrow. I do promise, I'll only take a few minutes of your time.

Thanks

On 10/24/2019 2:35 PM, Harm Selling wrote:

> You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

If that's the cause of the growing queue, I wonder if it's wise to offer a priority possibility in a period of an increasing number of customers and a deadline because of the upcoming closure of Yahoo Groups.
If Groups.io cannot deliver on the demand before the closure of Yahoo Groups, it has to refund a lot of payments (because of not fulfilling the agreements). If there's a continuous stream of customers with priority (I think companies, because 200 dollar is an exorbitant amount for individuals), the backlog is growing bigger and cannot be solved anymore.

I think the current priority should be eliminating the backlog instead of making money from priority requests.

Harm


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Barry_M
 

I’m going to stop commenting on this since I’m
not authorized in any way to represent this platform.

That said, Harm and others, we may be over complicating this with the priority fee and expressed concerns with service.

Small organization.  Sudden, large and unexpected demands on the platforms.  So, somewhat overwhelming. Reasonable deduction, no?

True that queues normally reduce rather than increase. Unless one is trying to catch up with a chaotic situation.

I ask again that any frustrated by the “service” here compare what the service quality was at YG.  And, please, try to put oneself in Mark’s shoes before being too critical.  For those who care, there are many here who can testify to this being a wonderfully effective platform with serious competence and admirable values behind it. That’s why I’m here.  FWIW.


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

> You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

If that's the cause of the growing queue, I wonder if it's wise to offer a priority possibility in a period of an increasing number of customers and a deadline because of the upcoming closure of Yahoo Groups.
If Groups.io cannot deliver on the demand before the closure of Yahoo Groups, it has to refund a lot of payments (because of not fulfilling the agreements). If there's a continuous stream of customers with priority (I think companies, because 200 dollar is an exorbitant amount for individuals), the backlog is growing bigger and cannot be solved anymore.

I think the current priority should be eliminating the backlog instead of making money from priority requests.

Harm


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Jim Member
 

Harm,

You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

Best,

Jim

On 10/24/2019 1:43 PM, Harm Selling wrote:

I understand. But it's usual that a queue (in the super market, at the airport, a telephone help desk) is gradually shrinking instead of growing.

A Dutch famous comedian had a conference about a telephone helpdesk.
The public hears:
"There are 2 people waiting for you"
Thereafter:
"There are 3 people waiting for you"
The audience is laughing about this joke. But here the joke turns out reality???. The queue has grown from 70 to 77 in one day. That's very strange and gives no confidence.
I hope the queue will be shrink instead of grow next days.


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Harm Selling

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Van: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> Namens Barry_M via Groups.Io
Verzonden: donderdag 24 oktober 2019 20:31
Aan: main@beta.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

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Selling Harm???Have to be patient. ??Groups.io isn???t a big company with a huge team that can quickly process a large number of transfers whilst keeping the quality and experience good. ??Groups had no more advance warning than any YG manager did and just hadn???t been preparing for it. ??This is a great platform run by a fantastically competent, experienced and compassionate person (who also has a fab sense of humor). ??It???ll all get done. ??We all need to return the same level of compassion, as much empathy as can be summoned and patience. ??Thanks for considering this! ????


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 01:44 PM, Harm Selling wrote:
I hope the queue will be shrink instead of grow next days.
It's my understanding that those that are paying the extra fee of $200 get put in front of those that don't find it that urgent.  Also note that the number is an estimate, not carved in stone.  I'm sure the seemingly constant glitches at Yahoo aren't helping any.  (And believe it or not, Mark does need to get some sleep now and then...)

Duane


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

I understand. But it's usual that a queue (in the super market, at the airport, a telephone help desk) is gradually shrinking instead of growing.

A Dutch famous comedian had a conference about a telephone helpdesk.
The public hears:
"There are 2 people waiting for you"
Thereafter:
"There are 3 people waiting for you"
The audience is laughing about this joke. But here the joke turns out reality…. The queue has grown from 70 to 77 in one day. That's very strange and gives no confidence.
I hope the queue will be shrink instead of grow next days.


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Harm Selling

 

Van: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> Namens Barry_M via Groups.Io
Verzonden: donderdag 24 oktober 2019 20:31
Aan: main@beta.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

Selling Harm—Have to be patient.  Groups.io isn’t a big company with a huge team that can quickly process a large number of transfers whilst keeping the quality and experience good.  Groups had no more advance warning than any YG manager did and just hadn’t been preparing for it.  This is a great platform run by a fantastically competent, experienced and compassionate person (who also has a fab sense of humor).  It’ll all get done.  We all need to return the same level of compassion, as much empathy as can be summoned and patience.  Thanks for considering this! 🙏


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

Michael,
I’m not interested in promoting my own “intentions.” Features always have some intended use when they are implemented. That’s the reason they are implemented. Often people may find other, “off label” usages for them (so to speak). And that’s fine. I am not “speaking against” anyone or even anyone’s extra usages for this or any other feature. My interest is always in the betterment of the product as a whole.
Take care.

On Oct 24, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Michael Pavan <@mjp> wrote:



On Oct 24, 2019, at 12:06 PM, J_Catlady <@J_Catlady> wrote:

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 09:02 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
the intention(s) of anyone else
No intentions at all here, simply pointing out how the feature currently works.
The Display Name does currently work as an identifier of who the email belongs to, a sorting reference for the Members list, as well as of who sent a message.
Try it and see.

It does take the name from any email sent if there is one,
Yes, this is the way it currently is automatically populated,
and yes, as you pointed out you do, Display Names can be done manually.
which is generally sufficient for its *intended* purpose (i.e., displaying with the member's sent messages).
I won't quibble with you that for you it serves your intended purpose.
I do know from my experience and what others have stated that it also serves the purpose of identifying who the email belongs to and as a sorting reference for the Members list - try it.

Of course if people have other uses for it that necessitates a change in the feature, why would anyone object. I certainly have no issue.
Than why speak against them???


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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Barry_M
 

Selling Harm—Have to be patient.  Groups.io isn’t a big company with a huge team that can quickly process a large number of transfers whilst keeping the quality and experience good.  Groups had no more advance warning than any YG manager did and just hadn’t been preparing for it.  This is a great platform run by a fantastically competent, experienced and compassionate person (who also has a fab sense of humor).  It’ll all get done.  We all need to return the same level of compassion, as much empathy as can be summoned and patience.  Thanks for considering this! 🙏


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

Michael Pavan
 

On Oct 24, 2019, at 12:06 PM, J_Catlady <@J_Catlady> wrote:

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 09:02 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
the intention(s) of anyone else
No intentions at all here, simply pointing out how the feature currently works.
The Display Name does currently work as an identifier of who the email belongs to, a sorting reference for the Members list, as well as of who sent a message.
Try it and see.

It does take the name from any email sent if there is one,
Yes, this is the way it currently is automatically populated,
and yes, as you pointed out you do, Display Names can be done manually.
which is generally sufficient for its *intended* purpose (i.e., displaying with the member's sent messages).
I won't quibble with you that for you it serves your intended purpose.
I do know from my experience and what others have stated that it also serves the purpose of identifying who the email belongs to and as a sorting reference for the Members list - try it.

Of course if people have other uses for it that necessitates a change in the feature, why would anyone object. I certainly have no issue.
Than why speak against them???


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Agreed


moderated Re: Is there any way I can determine if the Yahoo invitation has been received

Judy F.
 

Thanks Mark, I guess I’m thinking the same thing.  I paid the fee because I have the receipt where it has been paid and then I clicked the Easy Yahoo Group Transfer and proceeded.  Here’s what I figured out. 

1) when asked for the group email address, I thought that meant mine instead of the actual sewwhatembroiderysoftware  yes, I know it said ‘group’, but my email is also my group email address. 

 

I have now fixed that and clicked the Update Transfer.  I see a note where the invite has been received and will accept it soon. 

 

Sorry to cause this problem, but I’m glad I contacted you since I would still be waiting.  I really appreciate you help on this.  Please let me know if there is still something that is causing a problem. 

 

Judy F.

Sew What Embroidery Software IO

SW Florida - USA

 


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:59 AM, William Ellis wrote:
Group.IO does display only the . when a message is in the group
The group should display a portion of the persons email address if they haven't set a Display Name at all.  The only place I can see anything else on my groups is when the person has left the group and their name is replaced with 3 periods ...

Duane


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 08:59 AM, Tanya's Feline CKD wrote:
Looks like it's also a feature you might be able to use too,
Possibly. What I personally have been requesting for quite awhile (and there was a whole discussion about this at one point) is putting the Display Name under control of the group moderators/owners, so that they can't go and change it back to something else from our required format. But the issue is complex, because things happen to the Display Name when the person changes their overall groups.io User Name. Or used to. That causes, or used to cause, a change in the Display Name for all their groups as well. I haven't kept track of how this heirarchy has evolved over time. 
 
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moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 09:02 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
the intention(s) of anyone else
No intentions at all here, simply pointing out how the feature currently works. It does take the name from any email sent if there is one, which is generally sufficient for its *intended* purpose (i.e., displaying with the member's sent messages). Of course if people have other uses for it that necessitates a change in the feature, why would anyone object. I certainly have no issue.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

Michael Pavan
 

The Display Name is an identifier of who the email belongs to, a sorting reference for the Members list, as well as of who sent a message.
Perhaps others value it in more ways...

Why should its value for all be limited by the intention(s) of anyone else???

On Oct 24, 2019, at 11:36 AM, J_Catlady <@J_Catlady> wrote:

It is actually an issue for me in a different way, because our group requires a certain form for the Display Name. So we end up setting everyone’s Display Name by hand anyway.

I’m talking in general. The purpose of the Display Name is that it be displayed with the member’s messages. If there are no messages by the member, then by definition, it need not be displayed and is unnecessary assuming that intended purpose. If you’re using it for a different purpose, like looking through your Members list, that’s another issue.
On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Tanya's Feline CKD <@felineckd> wrote:

Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem for others. I hate seeing a massive list of blank names in my membership lists, and more to the point, it's kind of hard for my Condolence Mods to do a condolence post when they don't have a name to whom they can offer condolences. There is plenty groups.io could do, namely require anybody signing up to provide a display name, it's not that much of a requirement, but one I've been asking for unsuccessfully for ages.



moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

Looks like it's also a feature you might be able to use too, though no guarantee the form you require the name in would be the default.


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

After Duane's comment about "well configured email systems" I went back to the W3 spec, and checked to see if "." was an acceptable email alias.  The spec says that an Alias should have 2 or more characters, or the email system should display only the email address.  So, the "." is more than 2 characters, so it meets the spec.  I am sure that the board in 2001 never thought that someone would use " as a character.  Since email is dead as a standard, I am guessing that there will not be another revision to the standard in our lifetime.

what I did not realize is that Group.IO does display only the . when a message is in the group.  This is clearly a bug.  So what ever property is used to create the group posting (in this case the web interface) is the issue not the email.


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

It is actually an issue for me in a different way, because our group requires a certain form for the Display Name. So we end up setting everyone’s Display Name by hand anyway.

I’m talking in general. The purpose of the Display Name is that it be displayed with the member’s messages. If there are no messages by the member, then by definition, it need not be displayed and is unnecessary assuming that intended purpose. If you’re using it for a different purpose, like looking through your Members list, that’s another issue.

On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Tanya's Feline CKD <@felineckd> wrote:

Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem for others. I hate seeing a massive list of blank names in my membership lists, and more to the point, it's kind of hard for my Condolence Mods to do a condolence post when they don't have a name to whom they can offer condolences. There is plenty groups.io could do, namely require anybody signing up to provide a display name, it's not that much of a requirement, but one I've been asking for unsuccessfully for ages.


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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

Yesterday  there were 70 groups ahead in the queue, this morning (Dutch time) 75 and now 79.

This is very frustrating and seems to be an endless waiting time :-(


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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
To: main@beta.groups.io
Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:50:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:29 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:


1. Last Friday (5 days ago) I requested a transfer for my Yahoo group.Last Saturday (4 days ago) I've given the go-ahead.
How long is the actual waiting time for finishing the transfer?

I've added a status line to the transfer page. When you go to edit your transfer, if it's been submitted for transfer, you'll now see one of these 4 status lines:
 
Your group is awaiting export from Yahoo. [Step 1 of 4]
Your group is being exported from Yahoo right now. [Step 2 of 4]
Your group is awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the queue. [Step 3 of 4]
Your group is being imported into Groups.io right now. [Step 4 of 4]

Where N in Step 3 is an estimate as to where you are in the queue. Your group is about 70th in the queue right now.
 
Step 4 is the biggest bottleneck, as I can only import so many groups at a time without overloading the system. I can't give an estimate as to how long each group takes to be imported, because each group is different (how many photos, how many messages, etc). Also it's dependent on how many groups have requested expedited processing at the time.
 
 

2. The member list of my group has a lot of members with the status "No mail". I'm afraid most of these members are not active anymore. Do these members receive a welcome message by joining Group.io? And if that message bounces, are these bouncing accounts automaticly removed or do they automaticly get the status "bouncing"?
If not…. What's the best way to check and clean up these "no mail" accounts? My group contains no-mail accounts from the year 2000, the year of introducing the group, 19 years ago.

 

If you didn't uncheck the 'Send a message to your members when the transfer is complete' they will be sent a welcome message (ditto if you have a group welcome message). That will be tracked for bouncing. Whether that actually triggers someone being removed depends on the type of bounce back received.
 
Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

 

Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem for others. I hate seeing a massive list of blank names in my membership lists, and more to the point, it's kind of hard for my Condolence Mods to do a condolence post when they don't have a name to whom they can offer condolences. There is plenty groups.io could do, namely require anybody signing up to provide a display name, it's not that much of a requirement, but one I've been asking for unsuccessfully for ages.