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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Juulz
 

What I did was send out a Special Notice to my group telling them that the archives have been exported and no new messages will be archived at Yahoo. I warned them to save their "on-topic" posts until the move is complete... I think that should allay their concerns.


moderated Re: Change in group transfer queue sorting algorithm

Judy F.
 

Mark, I'm the one that had asked about the transfer.io issue.  I got the info this morning that the invite had been accepted  and did the selecting of all of the items I needed transferred, but I didn't see a button saying 'go ahead'. I thought I had remembered seeing that before or reading about it.  Again, I'm not rushing you, but want to make sure I didn't goof up again.  Maybe that's been removed? 

Thank you,
Judy Faulkner
SW Florida - USA
SewWhatEmbroiderySoftware.io


moderated Re: Migrate Groups to Subgroups

 

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 6:25 AM West Coast Compañeros Staff <westcoastcompaneros@...> wrote:


A couple of days ago I started the process to transfer one of the subgroups (
discussions@companeros.groups.io) and was notified yesterday morning that the transfer agent had accepted the invitation to the corresponding Y!G. I promoted the transfer agent to Moderator in that group and then returned to the "Transfer from Yahoo" page, selected the subgroup from Existing Transfers, and encountered the following message.

We have accepted the invite to your group. Before we can transfer your group, you must upgrade it to the Premium Yearly option. Once you've done that, return here and you will be able to give the go ahead to transfer.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark
(normally beta@ is not for bug reports, but as this feature was just discussed here, I approved the message) 


moderated Re: Migrate Groups to Subgroups

West Coast Compañeros Staff
 

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 05:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:18 PM Simon Hedges <simhedges@...> wrote:
Is it possible to create a single master groups, with a subgroup for each of the Yahoogroups, and the ability to migrate to a specified sub-group from each Yahoogroup group?
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Yes you can do this.
 
Cheers,
Mark 

A few days before the recent pricing change, I created a main group and a few subgroups for my non-profit organization. My understanding was that we could upgrade using the Yearly Premium option and migrate both the main group and the subgroups from Yahoo! Groups for the one yearly fee. I upgraded the main group (announcements@companeros.groups.io) from Premium Monthly to Yearly Premium for $110 the day before the pricing change was announced and initiated the transfer. I am paid up for this month for the Premium Monthly plan, so the payment for Premium Yearly is due to be applied to our credit card next month. Everything seems to be proceeding as expected for the main group transfer. Its current status is "awaiting transfer."

A couple of days ago I started the process to transfer one of the subgroups (
discussions@companeros.groups.io) and was notified yesterday morning that the transfer agent had accepted the invitation to the corresponding Y!G. I promoted the transfer agent to Moderator in that group and then returned to the "Transfer from Yahoo" page, selected the subgroup from Existing Transfers, and encountered the following message.

We have accepted the invite to your group. Before we can transfer your group, you must upgrade it to the Premium Yearly option. Once you've done that, return here and you will be able to give the go ahead to transfer.

When I click on the link for the Premium Yearly option, the Current Plan for the subgroup is listed as Premium Monthly, even though the main group is listed as Premium Yearly. I checked all the other subgroups and they all say the same thing: Current Plan is Premium Monthly. Because of that, I am not able to move forward to give the go ahead for the subgroup transfer. My understanding was that upgrading the main group to Premium Yearly would “trickle down” to all the subgroups. It would be very difficult for my non-profit group to pay $220 to upgrade each of the other subgroups to Premium Yearly. Please advise me if there is a way to correct the status of the subgroup plans to reflect the Premium Yearly status of the main group.

Robert R.


moderated Sub-folders for PHOTO section

RCardona
 

Would it be possible to allow the creation of sub-folders in photo folders, like currently exists for file folders?  I see there have been at least two other requests to provide this feature back in 2018, so am reviving the request.

The dilemma I faced was I could simply add them to the files section, where folder and sub-folder capacity already exists, but then they are unable to be viewed as photos.  To dump them all in the photos section without better organizational sub-folders would create a real mess.   A possible alternative would be to provide a toggle on file folders that would allow the folder to be viewed as a photo folder in the files section. 

R. Cardona


moderated Re: Change in group transfer queue sorting algorithm

RCardona
 

Thank you Mark for being such an attentive and ever evolving mastermind behind the curtain!  I so glad to have found your service and look forward to my new home!  Keep up the great work!!  We appreciate you!


moderated Re: Blank names when users join or get imported translates into postings getting rejected from mail

Janis
 

I would like adding a Display Name when registering be a requirement.  In my family genealogy groups I insist on knowing names and members being on first name basis within the group.  I ask them to close their messages with their name. First name only works for me.

Janis


On Thursday, October 24, 2019, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Michael,
I’m not interested in promoting my own “intentions.” Features always have some intended use when they are implemented. That’s the reason they are implemented. Often people may find other, “off label” usages for them (so to speak). And that’s fine. I am not “speaking against” anyone or even anyone’s extra usages for this or any other feature. My interest is always in the betterment of the product as a whole.
Take care.
> On Oct 24, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@...> wrote:
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>> the intention(s) of anyone else
>> No intentions at all here, simply pointing out how the feature currently works.
> The Display Name does currently work as an identifier of who the email belongs to, a sorting reference for the Members list, as well as of who sent a message.
> Try it and see.
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>> It does take the name from any email sent if there is one,
> Yes, this is the way it currently is automatically populated,
> and yes, as you pointed out you do, Display Names can be done manually.
>> which is generally sufficient for its *intended* purpose (i.e., displaying with the member's sent messages).
> I won't quibble with you that for you it serves your intended purpose.
> I do know from my experience and what others have stated that it also serves the purpose of identifying who the email belongs to and as a sorting reference for the Members list - try it.
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>> Of course if people have other uses for it that necessitates a change in the feature, why would anyone object. I certainly have no issue.
> Than why speak against them???
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>> J
>> Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Jim Member
 

Please forgive message immediately below. It was a response sent to a completely wrong address?? Sorry :(

On 10/24/2019 2:42 PM, Jim Murray wrote:

Sorry, I gotta go. I'll try you when I get home but if not maybe we can connect tomorrow. I do promise, I'll only take a few minutes of your time.

Thanks

On 10/24/2019 2:35 PM, Harm Selling wrote:

> You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

If that's the cause of the growing queue, I wonder if it's wise to offer a priority possibility in a period of an increasing number of customers and a deadline because of the upcoming closure of Yahoo Groups.
If Groups.io cannot deliver on the demand before the closure of Yahoo Groups, it has to refund a lot of payments (because of not fulfilling the agreements). If there's a continuous stream of customers with priority (I think companies, because 200 dollar is an exorbitant amount for individuals), the backlog is growing bigger and cannot be solved anymore.

I think the current priority should be eliminating the backlog instead of making money from priority requests.

Harm


moderated Change in group transfer queue sorting algorithm

 

Hi All, 

After some consideration, I've changed how the groups in the transfer queue are being sorted, in an effort to make things more fair.

Previously, transfer requests were sorted by when they were initially created.

Now, transfer requests are sorted by when the go ahead is given to transfer the group.

Figuring things out as I go.....

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

M K Ramadoss
 

Glad Mark clarified.

It hurts when you are trying very hard to get the job done under great pressure.

This would shut up the whiners who have no idea what it takes to run sustainable business with the onslaught of work.

Anyone who is unhappy can look for better options elsewhere.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:46 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:01 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:


I'll be honest. When I knew before that the focus of Groups.io was money instead of service, I'd never chosen for Groups.io.


In terms of money, the focus is on running a sustainable business.

 

I'm not happy with the service up to now and I'm afraid Groups.io will not fullfill the agreement. I regret my decision to give Groups.io my confidence.

I am happy to refund your payment (and anyone elses). Contact me off-list and I'll process the refund and delete your group.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Mark: Clarification for basic Groups

kr402
 

Mark,

I and others that might move their Ygroup to Groups.io need a clarification that in 2020 
their might be a charge for Basic Groups.

If so would that include existing groups, 
or just new groups?

Would all groups at Groups.io have a fee, meaning 
there would no longer be any free groups?

Please, all understand I am not debating whether there should be fees or not I am simply asking Mark for clarification from recent discussions on this.

Thanks, Mark for all you have and are doing. You are the best and Groups.io are still the best groups. 

Kim


moderated Photos in albums

Margo Seegrist
 

I noticed this before in a group I've belonged to here in groups.io but now I'm finally getting around to asking a question about it.  When I click on a photo in an album to copy it down to my computer, there are choices of download, edit, move and report.  There isn't a choice to Cancel the action of clicking on the photo.  Any chance there will be one so if we click on the photo, decide we don't want to edit it and want to back out of it we don't have to hit the back arrow on our computers or click on the Photos album to have to scroll back through all the albums to find the one we were just in (alphabetized or not).

Another thing.  Same subject.  If I click on the download, I know I right click and copy or save image as or whatever.  But after I do that, the photo just sits there with no way out of it.  There's no left hand columns with Photos to click on so the only option is the back arrow on the computer.  Any chance of putting a little "X" in the upper right corner to get us out of that photo?  Not to delete it - just to get back to the previous screen or the main album?

If there is another way and I just don't see it, please let me know.  I figured the way I was doing it was not logical so there must be a logical way that I'm missing.

Sincerely,

Rli@...


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

> The most important thing is to get the data out of Yahoo and safely stored.
> Your group has already been exported,

This was my biggest concern. I saw the queue grow instead of shrink and thought: "if Yahoo removes everything, it's the end of the story".


Harm


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 02:32 PM, Harm Selling wrote:
I assume that I finally won't be disappointed
You won't be. And I can tell that you this is coming from a very tough customer who's disappointed with practically everything. ;)
 
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

Mark,

 

I've approached you by direct mail.
After reading your replies I've regained my confidence and I assume that I finally won't be disappointed.

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Harm Selling

 

Van: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> Namens Mark Fletcher
Verzonden: donderdag 24 oktober 2019 22:44
Aan: main@beta.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:

> You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

If that's the cause of the growing queue, I wonder if it's wise to offer a priority possibility in a period of an increasing number of customers and a deadline because of the upcoming closure of Yahoo Groups.

 

The most important thing is to get the data out of Yahoo and safely stored. That's the export part of the system. Once the data is out, it doesn't matter if Yahoo Groups is up/gone/malfunctioning/whatever. Your group has already been exported, it's just now in the queue to be loaded into Groups.io. What you saw this morning was a bunch of priority transfers bumping to the head of the line. I really am going as fast as I can with this.

 

What seems to be the case with the incoming Yahoo Groups is that they are averaging large numbers of messages, as I suppose you'd expect from long running groups. The messages take the most time to import and can't be done in parallel, because the threading algorithm expects to see messages in order, like you'd normally get in a mailing list. I could perhaps fix that, but I don't have the time right now.

 

 

Mark


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 01:46 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
the focus is on running a sustainable business
And on cats. 😎
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:01 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:


I'll be honest. When I knew before that the focus of Groups.io was money instead of service, I'd never chosen for Groups.io.


In terms of money, the focus is on running a sustainable business.

 

I'm not happy with the service up to now and I'm afraid Groups.io will not fullfill the agreement. I regret my decision to give Groups.io my confidence.

I am happy to refund your payment (and anyone elses). Contact me off-list and I'll process the refund and delete your group.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Leeni
 

I totally agree with you Duane.
 
What some of these members do not realize the extra time and expense it is costing Mark to do them a favor by having their groups transfer automatically. He could have easily said to them - Create a group and transfer all of your files, messages, members manually. That is still an option for any group that can't pay. 
 
This in no way is Groups IO's fault or Mark's fault.
 
Last year I saw the writing on the wall at Yahoo when messages were not being sent, lots of outages, service being poor. That was when I moved my groups to IO and it was done for free. There wasn't any time frame needed to get it done.  Any one of you could have done the same thing. Many group owners moved to IO long before I did as well.
 
Now when Yahoo gives a date for all your information to be gone, you all are in a panic. Yes, there are groups that are on Yahoo backed by corporations and have the funds to pay. Moving everything to Groups IO would be deemed very important. I also know there are groups on Yahoo that were like mine, hobby type group. The hobby type groups can easily carry on without prior messages. Files can be added manually and members can get invites. I did that with one Yahoo group I just inherited. I transferred it over myself. 
 
Mark came up with a solution to help you and you all are giving him backlash.
 
He can just as easily tell you all, you are on your own with your migration.  
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: Duane
Date: 10/24/2019 1:53:27 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer
 
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 01:44 PM, Harm Selling wrote:
I hope the queue will be shrink instead of grow next days.
It's my understanding that those that are paying the extra fee of $200 get put in front of those that don't find it that urgent.  Also note that the number is an estimate, not carved in stone.  I'm sure the seemingly constant glitches at Yahoo aren't helping any.  (And believe it or not, Mark does need to get some sleep now and then...)

Duane
 


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Harm Selling <h.selling@...> wrote:

> You do know that groups can pay extra to be prioritized, don't you? I assume that is what you're seeing.

If that's the cause of the growing queue, I wonder if it's wise to offer a priority possibility in a period of an increasing number of customers and a deadline because of the upcoming closure of Yahoo Groups.


The most important thing is to get the data out of Yahoo and safely stored. That's the export part of the system. Once the data is out, it doesn't matter if Yahoo Groups is up/gone/malfunctioning/whatever. Your group has already been exported, it's just now in the queue to be loaded into Groups.io. What you saw this morning was a bunch of priority transfers bumping to the head of the line. I really am going as fast as I can with this.

What seems to be the case with the incoming Yahoo Groups is that they are averaging large numbers of messages, as I suppose you'd expect from long running groups. The messages take the most time to import and can't be done in parallel, because the threading algorithm expects to see messages in order, like you'd normally get in a mailing list. I could perhaps fix that, but I don't have the time right now.


Mark


moderated Re: 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
 

I'll write a pm to Mark with my burdens……


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Harm Selling

 

Van: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> Namens Barry_M via Groups.Io
Verzonden: donderdag 24 oktober 2019 22:32
Aan: main@beta.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [beta] 2 questions about the Yahoo Group transfer

 

I’m going to stop commenting on this since I’m
not authorized in any way to represent this platform.

That said, Harm and others, we may be over complicating this with the priority fee and expressed concerns with service.

Small organization.  Sudden, large and unexpected demands on the platforms.  So, somewhat overwhelming. Reasonable deduction, no?

True that queues normally reduce rather than increase. Unless one is trying to catch up with a chaotic situation.

I ask again that any frustrated by the “service” here compare what the service quality was at YG.  And, please, try to put oneself in Mark’s shoes before being too critical.  For those who care, there are many here who can testify to this being a wonderfully effective platform with serious competence and admirable values behind it. That’s why I’m here.  FWIW.