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moderated Re: Features to use Groups.io as an online email archive for a Yahoo Group

 

I think this is a brilliant idea, but not that I think it should be implemented. I feel like groups.io should stay as far away from yahoo as possible after the current mess is over and done with. But that's  just my personal feeling!
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moderated Features to use Groups.io as an online email archive for a Yahoo Group

 

Mark,

Hopefully you won't boot me for being a heretic, but a question in GMF a bit ago got me thinking about it, so I ran a test.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/29915856#25326

The original idea was to use an email integration as a way to receive a Y!Group's messages into a Groups.io group. For archive purposes, as Yahoo won't store them going forward.

Yes, I know, the obvious objection is "why not just get the members to subscribe to the Groups.io group, post there, and be done with Yahoo Groups".

Honestly, I don't have a very compelling answer to that. I'm imagining a Yahoo Group owner who doesn't want to disrupt his members (who are happy with an email-only list) by trying to get them all to move to a new service; yet wants an online-archive. Or maybe a group like Y!GMF whose subject matter is Yahoo-centric, and so it would feel a bit weird to host the discussion elsewhere. Quite possibly most groups that start this way would eventually take the step of having the members move to Groups.io anyway.

Pressing on ...

1) Provide a "shortened" version of the email integration address.

I found that I could not get Yahoo to accept the integration address via Invite or -subscribe. They apparently don't allow the "+" character in subscribed email addresses.

I'm not sure exactly how to keep it out of the namespace of group posting addresses. Yahoo does seem to allow ".", so perhaps it could be:
groupname.int[hash]@groups.io or maybe
int[hash]@groupname.groups.io

I worked around this by subscribing my test group's posting address to the Yahoo Group -- but not vice-versa! No chance of a message loop that way.

Besides, if the Yahoo Group's address were a member of the Groups.io group then all messages would have the display name of that member - an undesirable result as then it wouldn't be evident who the original poster was.

So a consequence of this workaround is that the Yahoo Group posts as a non-subscriber - which means always moderated. Workable, but also undesirable, hence the request for a shortened email integration address.

2) If the group's Hide Email Addresses In Archives option is set to Mask them, apply that also to Display Names on posted messages. Important: apply that always when viewed by a non-member (in a group with public messages).

Reason: the way Yahoo Groups mungs From addresses (for DMARC) puts the clear text of the sender's address into the Display Name part of the message's From field. Which (because it is a non-subscriber post) becomes the Display Name in the group's web pages. In most types of groups it would be undesirable to expose that on the group's web pages, and it would always be undesirable to expose that in publicly viewed messages.

3) Auto-strip the Yahoo Group's footer.

Apart from the obvious desire to remove clutter, the Y!G footer also has a clear-text of the posting member's address. At least this one is already subject to the Hide Email Addresses setting.

Shal


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Rex A
 

J_Cat, No. My understanding of the OP is that he got everything *Except* the messages.
  " I was able to download all files, photos, links, etc. from the Yahoo group, but messages are the issue now."
I think OP is outta luck.

On 12/7/2019 9:26 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 09:12 AM, Duane wrote:
the messages will only be available after Dec 14
Yes but the OP downloaded all of his messages to somewhere else, where they are presumably safe from yahoo's pending destruction. ;) Not sure whether that will persuade Mark to find a way to upload them, though.
 
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Rol
 

 

Mark,

 

Thanks so much for taking care of the last few of us who were still in the queue waiting for YahooGroups to function properly when the December 1 deadline occurred!

 

Our transfer seemed to work smoothly and I have already gotten many thanks from members who were very worried our treasure trove of archived messages, our other photos and files, and more important our forum to exchange stories and tips would all be lost forever.

 

This platform is far better than YahooGroups.  Again, thank you for making it available to so many organizations and other users!

 

Cheers,

     Rol

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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded the outbound email machine.
  • CHANGE: We are no longer accepting new Yahoo Group transfer requests.
  • API: Added reply, bcc_me and from_owner parameters to the /postdraft endpoint.
  • API: Added /authenticateloginlink endpoint.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:28 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
but the OP downloaded all of his messages to somewhere else
Hmm, I didn't read it that way.  Maybe he'll let us know for sure.

Duane


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

 

Oops I think I misread that. He downloaded everything *except* the messages.


On Dec 7, 2019, at 9:26 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 09:12 AM, Duane wrote:
the messages will only be available after Dec 14
Yes but the OP downloaded all of his messages to somewhere else, where they are presumably safe from yahoo's pending destruction. ;) Not sure whether that will persuade Mark to find a way to upload them, though.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

 

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 09:12 AM, Duane wrote:
the messages will only be available after Dec 14
Yes but the OP downloaded all of his messages to somewhere else, where they are presumably safe from yahoo's pending destruction. ;) Not sure whether that will persuade Mark to find a way to upload them, though.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Bill Burns
 

On 12/7/2019 8:02 AM, Jon Matcho wrote:
Why not support Yahoo Group transfers only for Members and Messages after the 12/14/2019 date?  Others may come to realize they're in the same boat as well.
The messages archive will not be available at Yahoo after the 14th:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN31010.html

Open the "What features will go away?" section, where it lists Conversations and Message History.

You should check the Group Managers Forum, where there are many suggestions on how to at least save your message archive before Yahoo discards it, with the possibility of being able to upload this to groups.io at some point.

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum

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moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:46 AM, Jon Matcho wrote:
Why not support Yahoo Group transfers only for Members and Messages after the 12/14/2019 date
According to Yahoo, the messages will only be available after Dec 14 if they're involved in someone's request for a backup.  See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/25629

Duane


moderated Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Jon Matcho
 

I understand these were announced to be no longer accepted earlier this week, but hear me out...

I am a member of a group that I was unable to convince of the urgency to get their Yahoo group transferred over to hear.  They have a placeholder free group setup, but not yet operational.  They decided at their last meeting (that I was unable to make), that "we'll revisit this in January 2020".  I was able to download all files, photos, links, etc. from the Yahoo group, but messages are the issue now.

Why not support Yahoo Group transfers only for Members and Messages after the 12/14/2019 date?  Others may come to realize they're in the same boat as well.

Thanks,
Jon


moderated Upcoming Event: Outbound email downtime to upgrade server #downtime - Fri, 12/06/2019 8:00pm-9:00pm #downtime #cal-reminder

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Reminder: Outbound email downtime to upgrade server #downtime

When: Friday, 6 December 2019, 8:00pm to 9:00pm, (GMT-08:00) America/Los Angeles

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Description:

We are sending out over twice as much email as we were a month and a half ago, and we need to upgrade our outbound email server. During this time, all aspects of the site will be working except that we will not be sending out any email. All outbound email will be queued up and sent when the machine upgrade is complete.


moderated Re: Themes #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 07:27 PM, Al Arca wrote:
It would be nice to have different themes for display options. This blue is pretty boring for me.
I think that's available.  All you have to do is upgraded to Enterprise - "Fully customizable home page".  I'd think it would apply to other pages of your group as well.

I wouldn't want much, if any, color change allowed to each group.  It would be very confusing to tell someone to click on the blue button if their group uses green buttons, etc.

Duane
(Doing fine with almost 5 years of blue theme.)


moderated Re: Suggested change

Al Arca <vet@...>
 

Would this be Eric C. Johnson that I knew long ago?


moderated Themes #suggestion

Al Arca <vet@...>
 

It would be nice to have different themes for display options. This blue is pretty boring for me.


moderated Re: Suggested change

Charlotte Schoeneman
 

I understand it's not hanging fire at the moment, but I'd like to advocate for that feature in future.

Thanks Patti!

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On 12/4/2019 10:54 AM, Patti Woodbury wrote:

Charlotte - 
“Privacy” is a back burner issue for now. I work with some “sensitive” groups and I remind everyone that nothing posted anywhere on the internet should be considered “private”. If any member of your group receives posts via individual messages or digests, even if you delete that post it lives in posterity. There are things an individual can do to mask their identity (different email, not using identifiers in posts) but you can not assure members of total anonymity. It might be more appropriate to move this query to the GMF https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topics

Patti


moderated Event: Outbound email downtime to upgrade server #downtime - Friday, 6 December 2019 #downtime #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Outbound email downtime to upgrade server #downtime

When:
Friday, 6 December 2019
8:00pm to 9:00pm
(UTC-08:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

We are sending out over twice as much email as we were a month and a half ago, and we need to upgrade our outbound email server. During this time, all aspects of the site will be working except that we will not be sending out any email. All outbound email will be queued up and sent when the machine upgrade is complete.


moderated Re: Moving Topics To Subgroups

Sarah k Alawami
 

I am also in favor of this. I find sometimes topics tend to stray so I would like ot move topics from let's say the main grop to a general chat group and hav ea notice that is emailed to the main group letting them know it's ben moved and how they can subscribe.

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On 4 Dec 2019, at 12:35, Teresa Quintero via Groups.Io wrote:

We would like, when possible, to be able to move non recovery related topics from the main page to subgroups.


moderated Moving Topics To Subgroups

TeresaQ
 

We would like, when possible, to be able to move non recovery related topics from the main page to subgroups.


moderated Re: Suggested change

 

Charlotte - 
“Privacy” is a back burner issue for now. I work with some “sensitive” groups and I remind everyone that nothing posted anywhere on the internet should be considered “private”. If any member of your group receives posts via individual messages or digests, even if you delete that post it lives in posterity. There are things an individual can do to mask their identity (different email, not using identifiers in posts) but you can not assure members of total anonymity. It might be more appropriate to move this query to the GMF https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topics

Patti