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moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Bill Burns
 

On 12/11/2019 4:38 PM, Duane wrote:
In reading some posts around the web this morning, I noticed one that said the information won't be available online after Dec 14.  It will only be available to the people/programs creating the archive files. https://www.zdnet.com/article/verizon-kills-email-accounts-of-archivists-trying-to-save-yahoo-groups-history/ under the Dec 11 Update, down the page.
Duane
That's exactly what the Yahoo page Frances posted to GMF yesterday says:

https://ca.help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html

Beginning October 28, new content won't be able to be uploaded to the site, and all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed after December 14. We will continue to process requests to download your content as long as they are submitted by January 31, 2020.

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Bill


moderated Current delivery with Help email #suggestion

Duane
 

I happened to send a request for the Help email a few days ago.  If possible, and not too much trouble, it could be handy to include the current Email Delivery Options chosen by the requester, possibly at the top of that section.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Duane
 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 02:27 PM, Andrew VK1DA wrote:
So by asking for our content, would that result in the extension of the content deletion date for a specific group? This is not a question I think we can answer here, but equally I doubt if Yahoo would answer it.
In reading some posts around the web this morning, I noticed one that said the information won't be available online after Dec 14.  It will only be available to the people/programs creating the archive files.  https://www.zdnet.com/article/verizon-kills-email-accounts-of-archivists-trying-to-save-yahoo-groups-history/ under the Dec 11 Update, down the page.

Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Dave Wade
 

Andrew,

 

Like you I didn’t expected to receive content I had not created but some one mentioned on another group they go everything.

So I applied and received two ZIP files totalling nearly 3GB containing everything from every group I think had ever been a member of, 91 in all.

So Messages, Files, Photos, Links and attachments where these were stored on the server.

 

To sum up I urge everyone who has enough GB free locally to request their data.

 

Dave

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew VK1DA
Sent: 11 December 2019 20:21
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group #yahoo

 

I think we have to treat these announcements with care.  Yahoo refers to “your content” but that does not necessarily mean files and photos, for example.  It may only refer to messages posted by an individual, and no other messages.  The wording is obscure. 

My understanding of the change is that although “content” will generally be removed from December 14, “content” will remain until it has been extracted in response to individual requests.  

So by asking for our content, would that result in the extension of the content deletion date for a specific group? This is not a question I think we can answer here, but equally I doubt if Yahoo would answer it.  

Andrew


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Andrew VK1DA
 

I think we have to treat these announcements with care.  Yahoo refers to “your content” but that does not necessarily mean files and photos, for example.  It may only refer to messages posted by an individual, and no other messages.  The wording is obscure. 

My understanding of the change is that although “content” will generally be removed from December 14, “content” will remain until it has been extracted in response to individual requests.  

So by asking for our content, would that result in the extension of the content deletion date for a specific group? This is not a question I think we can answer here, but equally I doubt if Yahoo would answer it.  

Andrew


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Bill Burns
 

On 12/11/2019 8:49 AM, Juulz wrote:
Yup... that's what it says on the US site, too - not just the Canadian help page.  I imagine they will keep the database available to their tech team for creating zip files but take it off the websites. We'll see in three days!
And to demonstrate their competence, today I received an email with the December 14th request cutoff date, but this links to the page with the January 30th date.

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Bill


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Juulz
 

Yup... that's what it says on the US site, too - not just the Canadian help page.  I imagine they will keep the database available to their tech team for creating zip files but take it off the websites. We'll see in three days!


moderated Re: Printing Databases

Charles Roberts
 

Uh-huh, but there doesn't seem to be a workaround to be able to print or export any images in the database.....which is what I need.
Chuck


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Bill Burns
 

On 12/10/2019 6:11 PM, dave w wrote:
Frances
I fail to understand why you posted this.
It is neither relevant nor I would have thought helpful *on this date!
The title is misleading - it is old news, not current.
The page linked is common knowledge cited many times in current posts AND is public, as you say.*
FWIW, dave
This announcement at Yahoo has not been seen before today:

"We will continue to process requests to download your content as long as they are submitted by January 31, 2020."

The previous update from Yahoo was on December 7th, when they said: "If your download request is made by 11:59pm PST on Saturday, December 14, 2019, your content will not be deleted until your download is complete."

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Bill


moderated Re: Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

dave w
 


Frances

I fail to understand why you posted this.
It is neither relevant nor I would have thought helpful on this date!

The title is misleading - it is old news, not current.
The page linked is common knowledge cited many times in current posts AND is public, as you say.


FWIW, dave


moderated Re: Update/Rest of the year

Ginny T.
 

Rest up and feel better Mark - and get some R&R. You more than deserve it. I can't even imagine what life was like when YG finally made things "official", and all of the hanger-oners hit the panic button.

Travel safe and have great holidays,
Ginny
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moderated Re: Proposal for Database Changes

Charles Roberts
 

Yes to print button and for images in the database to be printed as well.
The EXPORT DATABASE feature does not now include images.....this makes the database useless to me.  Can't use database whose images only exist in the ether.
Chuck


moderated Yahoo has extended deadline for downloading from your group

Frances
 

"Beginning October 28, new content won't be able to be uploaded to the site, and all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed after December 14. We will continue to process requests to download your content as long as they are submitted by January 31, 2020. "

Source:  https://ca.help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html?impressions=true

See this wiki page on Group Managers Forum for what to do with your mbox download.
No group or Groups.io membership needed to read.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io

Frances


moderated Re: Update/Rest of the year

Douglas Swearingen <dougiebehr@...>
 

Thank You Mark for all you do to make Groups.io a huge success.

Have a Great Holiday.

Doug


From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 11:09 AM
To: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io>
Subject: [beta] Update/Rest of the year
 
Hi All,

I have unmoderated the beta group again. Please keep the discussion focused on new features and not support requests.

With the great Yahoo Groups migration winding down, I can turn back to projects in process before that happened. My focus continues to be on the app. It is almost ready for testing and I will soon create a new subgroup for that. The first version will not have moderator features; it's just focused on normal users. I will also be getting back to work on notifications soon.

I am working this week (although at reduced capacity because of a cold), and then will be on holiday until January 6th. As usual, I'll be monitoring the site. But answers to support requests will be delayed. Due to support volume, I can only answer messages from mods/owners of premium groups at this time. I wish it wasn't so, but that's reality.

2019 was quite a year for Groups.io. 2020 is looking to be even better. Thanks for your support!

Mark


moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

Mark Irving
 

Yes, I think the group setting auto-lock (but I've no strong opinion about auto-moderate) would be more useful if it applied after a topic became inactive, rather than counting its age since first message.

Setting moderation for a topic which seems set to grumble on for ever is a decision I would usually give to the moderators' human judgement, rather than an automated timer -- but that, of course, depends on the nature of the group. The groups I help look after may not be typical; we use auto-lock as a way of preventing the occasional reply where the original discussion is long forgotten.

  - Mark


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Jon Matcho
 

I will end with a request for 2020, which is to support transfer of pre-Easy Transfer from Yahoo messages into a groups.io account.  I have messages saved from Yahoo's own export/download process as well as PG Online.

Happy End of Year everyone,
Jon


moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

 

And to be clear, we’re now talking about the group settings, not hashtag durations (which work a different way and should definitely not be changed to consider imactivity - they either delete or lock the topic based on age and have to stay thst way).


On Dec 10, 2019, at 3:25 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

p.s. I do understand your idea. You're thinking the topics should be locked/moderated after they become inactive. But the purpose of the feature is to lock/moderate them when they simply reach a certain age, so that they don't go on (or go on without some sort of control) forever. Perhaps auto-lock could be changed to work that way, which does make some sort of sense. But I think auto-moderate should work based on age, not activity.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
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moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

 

p.s. I do understand your idea. You're thinking the topics should be locked/moderated after they become inactive. But the purpose of the feature is to lock/moderate them when they simply reach a certain age, so that they don't go on (or go on without some sort of control) forever. Perhaps auto-lock could be changed to work that way, which does make some sort of sense. But I think auto-moderate should work based on age, not activity.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

 

The auto-lock/auto-moderate feature does not, and in my opinion *should not*, count days from last activity. That is not its intended function.


On Dec 10, 2019, at 2:21 AM, Mark Irving <m-pfaff@...> wrote:

It would work well, I suggest, if the auto-lock or auto-moderate timer counted days since last activity on a topic, and treated unlocking by a moderator as an activity. I think the timer at present counts from the oldest message on a thread, rather than the newest, so an adjustment might be needed by groups using this feature.

  - Mark


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

Mark Irving
 

It would work well, I suggest, if the auto-lock or auto-moderate timer counted days since last activity on a topic, and treated unlocking by a moderator as an activity. I think the timer at present counts from the oldest message on a thread, rather than the newest, so an adjustment might be needed by groups using this feature.

  - Mark