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Event: Mail server upgrade #downtime - Monday, 30 March 2020
#downtime
#cal-invite
main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
Mail server upgrade #downtime When: Description: The last three weeks we've seen a marked increase in message traffic. I need to upgrade the email server to better handle the additional load. Email will be queued up during this time and delivered once the upgrade is complete. No other parts of the site will be affected.
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Re: Database feature request
Alan Winson
Even the Yahoo group that we moved here allowed you to insert a row into a database. It's the one thing I can think of that Yahoo did better than groups.io
The argument about database design is irrelevant. Programs should conform to what users specify, not the other way around. I'm sure there is nothing about database design that says inserting a row is bad design. If the implementation chosen by a programmer does not allow the program to meet the requirements, then the fault is not with the requirements. All the comments about ways to circumvent this shortcoming are of no help for certain databases, including mine. If groups.io remembered the sort order, we could insert a column used only for sorting the rows and hide that column after we are done sorting. But the sort order is not remembered, is it? It is apparent, more than two years after the last comment I can find on this, that groups.io is not going to implement row insertion. So when I need to insert a row, I export my groups.io database to my computer, update the exported file however I please, and then back on groups.io I delete all the rows and then import the file from my computer. I am not impressed. I don't need to do it often, but it's not a good circumvention for someone who needs to insert rows frequently. However, I love everything else I've found so far about groups.io.
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Re: Markdown Support
#suggestion
I'd like to be able to use markdown via email, as well. It would make writing much easier.
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Re: Terminology change
#update
Hmm...
Bruce wrote: Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-sideI think that "Subscription" there is a useful choice to make it clearly distinct, at least for moderators, from the Members page. A distinction that I think may be semantically useful is to use "subscription" ("subscriber", etc.) in an email context, and "membership" ("member", etc.) in a web or comprehensive (both web and email) context. Hence the Subscription page could stay "Subscription" because its controls are (almost) entirely about delivery of messages and notices to you by email. The Members list, by contrast, is comprehensive: it controls members' activity on both web and email. Other usages could be judged by that same criteria. Shal
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Re: Terminology change
#update
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 03:48 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-side menu bar?I agree with you Bruce. Subscription is a verb, it is a process one is enacting- once applied you become a 'member'. Problem solved- or at least less confusing, no reason subcriber (act of subscribing/ applying) isn't clear as same issue. A temporary or transitional clarity is good. Whether said 'person' is them a subscriber (noun) or a member is clear once the act is performed. Don't throw baby out with the bath water, cheers dave
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Markdown Support
#suggestion
Any chance of providing Markdown support for messages submitted via
email? Perhaps starting the body of a plain text message with a first line of ".markdown", or something similar, to signal that the text should be poured though the markdown filter before posting and storage? ...BC
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Re: Terminology change
#update
ro-esp
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 05:55 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous with "member"From a semantic viewpoint, I have to disagree. When an outsider sends a message to a group and receives the answers, that person is a user but not a member or subscriber of that group groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo
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Re: Terminology change
#update
Chris Jones
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:48 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.Part of me understands that comment, but at the same time if Mark's original our tech writer has been suggesting some changes to make things more consistent is to apply then things need to be more, er, consistent. Chris
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Re: Terminology change
#update
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Duane wrote:
For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-side menu bar? Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this. Bruce
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Re: Terminology change
#update
Chris,
Help Page. To be fair it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymousOnly in a group context. In an account context "user" is mora appropriate because the person may not be a member of any groups. The uses in the Help page look correct to me, except possibly in the case of the Invite section. There the invitee may not (yet) qualify as even a user of Groups.io, so perhaps: "We will send an email invitation to each /address/. To join the group, each /person/ simply has to click on the link within the invitation, or reply to the invitation." /emphasis mine/ Shal
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Re: Terminology change
#update
Chris Jones
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Duane wrote:
For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?... which is the point I was making without actually saying it. I have since found that the word "user" appears 6 times on the official Help Page. To be fair it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous with "member" and prevents the word member being used to the point of exhaustion. Chris
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Re: Terminology change
#update
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
I have just noticed that in Member Notices there are still Pending Subscription and Rejected Subscription messages.For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership? Thanks, Duane
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Site updates
#changelog
Changes to the site this week:
Take care, everyone. Mark
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Re: Terminology change
#update
Chris Jones
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The only real change other than the group settings page is that the setting formerly known asI have just noticed that in Member Notices there are still Pending Subscription and Rejected Subscription messages. Chris
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Log "joined chat"
#suggestion
As far as I can tell, "joined chat" is not logged in either the member or the group activity log. Seems like it should be.
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Pending message approval fails without explanation
#bug
Hi,
I'm raising this as a bug and I think there are potentially two issues here: We have a member who posted a message to our Committee subgroup and for some reason, also copied the email to an address that gets forwarded to the same group via an integration. The copy of the message sent direct to the group was sent to other members and the copy sent via the integration has been held pending approval (part of our moderation process). A recipient and member of the same group then replied to all and so now we have the two messages showing on the subgroup archive, and two messages pending approval. Seeing the pending messages and not realising they has also been posted directly to the subgroup I tried to approve them. There is no warning message to say that approval has failed but the messages stay as pending. I could probably delete them but have left them for now as evidence of this issue. In addition, the member who posted the original message received the following response from Groups.io: This was very confusing for our member as it indicates that he is not a member of our Committee subgroup when he is. Regards, Andy
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Dave Huseby <dhuseby@...>
Hi Mark, Thank you so much for your quick response to my bug report. It looks like the issue has been completely fixed but I'm following up with members of our community to confirm that it is. Thank you again, this is wonderful. Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:33 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Edit a wiki page, make no change, then Save is logged as a change and an identical revision is created
#bug
There is yet another bug (and these are separate): the addition and deletion of spaces within a line are not detected/shown by Compare evisions. For example, if the original line is
let's have a virtual block partyand it is edited to let's have a virtual block partythen Compare Revisions does not show the change and simply displays the original. Therefore, when Compare Revisions shows no changes (no green text), it's possible that either (1) no change was made yet a revision was created anyway (as I first reported), or (2) the spacing was changed. For completeness's sake I have to say that of course there may be other bugs involving changes that don't show up, but I'm guessing those two are the extent of it. For awhile, I had just one group, wherein the wiki was strictly controlled and only mods could change the pages. So these bugs never became apparent to me. But now that I have another group, wherein everyone can change wiki pages (and in fact is encouraged to do so), these wiki bugs are problematic (including the previously reported one of not controlling simultaneous editing). -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Edit a wiki page, make no change, then Save is logged as a change and an identical revision is created
#bug
Mental typo, it's recorded as "updated wiki page." But you know what I meant. :-)
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Edit a wiki page, make no change, then Save is logged as a change and an identical revision is created
#bug
I don't know what the standard for wiki revision logs is, but the situation here is that if someone clicks Edit Page, makes no changes, and clicks Save Page, their activity is recorded as "edited wiki page" and a new revision is created that's identical to the prior one. This is a PITA when you try to determine what changes someone has made and can't find the green-highlighted text - because there isn't any. It seems to me that if no changes are made, nothing should be recorded - no log entry that they edited and no new (but identical) revision.
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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