Any chance of providing Markdown support for messages submitted via
email? Perhaps starting the body of a plain text message with a first
line of ".markdown", or something similar, to signal that the text
should be poured though the markdown filter before posting and
storage?

...BC

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 05:55 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous with "member"

From a semantic viewpoint, I have to disagree.

When an outsider sends a message to a group and receives the answers, that person is a user but not a member or subscriber of that group



groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:48 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.

Part of me understands that comment, but at the same time if Mark's original our tech writer has been suggesting some changes to make things more consistent is to apply then things need to be more, er, consistent.

Chris

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Duane wrote:

For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?

Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-side menu bar?

Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.

Bruce

Chris,

Help Page. To be fair it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous
with "member" ...

Only in a group context. In an account context "user" is mora appropriate because the person may not be a member of any groups.

The uses in the Help page look correct to me, except possibly in the case of the Invite section. There the invitee may not (yet) qualify as even a user of Groups.io, so perhaps:

"We will send an email invitation to each /address/. To join the group, each /person/ simply has to click on the link within the invitation, or reply to the invitation."

/emphasis mine/

Shal

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Duane wrote:

For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?

... which is the point I was making without actually saying it.

I have since found that the word "user" appears 6 times on the official Help Page. To be fair it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous with "member" and prevents the word member being used to the point of exhaustion.

Chris

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

I have just noticed that in Member Notices there are still Pending Subscription and Rejected Subscription messages.

For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?

Thanks,
Duane

Changes to the site this week:

• INTERNAL: Work on new Zoom integration with the calendar.
• CHANGE: Do not allow setting up of two factor authentication when you are logged in using Google or Facebook.
• API: Changing a subgroup's name using the /updategroup endpoint would fail.
• API: Removed bcc_me parameter from /postdraft as that was unused.
• BUGFIX: Private group guidelines were accessible to non-subscribers via the +guidelines email command.
• INTERNAL: More logging to track email delivery speed
• INTERNAL: Optimizations for lowering the time to deliver email
• BUGFIX: Removed do-nothing Edit Settings menu option when viewing moderators on the Members page.
• BUGFIX: ICS files containing yearly repeating events were not parsable.
• API: /newdraft endpoint now supports draft_type_post_to_sub draft_type.

Take care, everyone.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

The only real change other than the group settings page is that the setting formerly known as NuM or new user moderated is now NMM, or new member moderated.

I have just noticed that in Member Notices there are still Pending Subscription and Rejected Subscription messages.

Chris

As far as I can tell, "joined chat" is not logged in either the member or the group activity log. Seems like it should be.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Hi,

I'm raising this as a bug and I think there are potentially two issues here:

We have a member who posted a message to our Committee subgroup and for some reason, also copied the email to an address that gets forwarded to the same group via an integration. The copy of the message sent direct to the group was sent to other members and the copy sent via the integration has been held pending approval (part of our moderation process).  A recipient and member of the same group then replied to all and so now we have the two messages showing on the subgroup archive, and two messages pending approval.

Seeing the pending messages and not realising they has also been posted directly to the subgroup I tried to approve them.  There is no warning message to say that approval has failed but the messages stay as pending. I could probably delete them but have left them for now as evidence of this issue.

In addition, the member who posted the original message received the following response from Groups.io:




This was very confusing for our member as it indicates that he is not a member of our Committee subgroup when he is.

Regards,
Andy

There is yet another bug (and these are separate): the addition and deletion of spaces within a line are not detected/shown by Compare evisions. For example, if the original line is

let's have a virtual block party

and it is edited to

let's       have a virtual block party

then Compare Revisions does not show the change and simply displays the original.

Therefore, when Compare Revisions shows no changes (no green text), it's possible that either (1) no change was made yet a revision was created anyway (as I first reported), or (2) the spacing was changed. For completeness's sake I have to say that of course there may be other bugs involving changes that don't show up, but I'm guessing those two are the extent of it.

For awhile, I had just one group, wherein the wiki was strictly controlled and only mods could change the pages. So these bugs never became apparent to me. But now that I have another group, wherein everyone can change wiki pages (and in fact is encouraged to do so), these wiki bugs are problematic (including the previously reported one of not controlling simultaneous editing).

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Mental typo, it's recorded as "updated wiki page." But you know what I meant. :-)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I don't know what the standard for wiki revision logs is, but the situation here is that if someone clicks Edit Page, makes no changes, and clicks Save Page, their activity is recorded as "edited wiki page" and a new revision is created that's identical to the prior one. This is a PITA when you try to determine what changes someone has made and can't find the green-highlighted text - because there isn't any. It seems to me that if no changes are made, nothing should be recorded - no log entry that they edited and no new (but identical) revision.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Mark Irving wrote:

Preferably both.

Agreed.

 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Preferably both. The private guidelines should be refused to anyone who tries the GROUP+guidelines@... address and is not a member, even when this address is not advertised in the automated help message.

  - Mark (not that Mark, a lesser Mark).

Setup: group with private Group Guidelines.
Situation: Non-member sends message to the help address, gets back instructions that include sending email to group+guidelines address. Non-member sends email to that address and receives a copy of the group guidelines via email, which they should not be privy to.
Best solution IMO: the automated help message does not include instructions for getting the guidelines if the person is a non-member and the guidelines are private.
Alternate solution: keep help message the same but if a non-member sends a message to the guidelines address send back an error message ("this group's guidelines are only available to group members" yada yada).
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu