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moderated Re: Change: Members can only donate once to a donation request

Rush Kester
 

You might want to make the limit 1 donation per day (or week).  As it may be possible for the fund drive to last a long period of time.  And the person intends to donate again.

Rush Kester 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta <beta@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 4:09 pm
Subject: [beta] Change: Members can only donate once to a donation request

Hi All,

There have been a few instances of members accidentally donating multiple times to the same donation request. I've changed it so that a person can only donate once to a given donation request.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

 

CORRECTION: Actually I have to make a correction to my request. I had been saving up the request until beta was open to feature requests again, but I failed to look at my notes about it. The real issue is when the group itself (not a hashtag) locks or moderates messages after x days. There is no way to unlock or unmoderate timed-out topics in that case, other than to remove or change the group's entire setting in that regard. The hashtag issue is secondary.
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moderated Re: Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

 

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:48 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The only way to unmoderate or unlock it is to change the hashtag duration
Or, of course, to remove the hashtag from the topic, which is probably normally undesirable.
 
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J

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moderated Bulk Delete - A solution in GIO -MkII #suggestion

 

Dear Mark Fletcher, Thank you for providing a fast and responsive list messaging system. We all love it.

 

On Thursday, 21 November 2019 Duane on GMF sent me here to join the discussion.

See: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/60996185#24604

See: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/34280436

 

I present my fix to the "Bulk Delete" problem. These changes, if implemented, represent a sensible and consistent approach to the problem. It covers ease of use, privacy legislation & an eminently practical approach. When the changes are implemented in GIO you will have a truly flexible solution meeting all the needs of Groups.io Inc., Individual Groups, Group Owners & Moderators, Individual Subscribers and Privacy Legislation now & for the future.

Content that can now be deleted is any and/or all Messages, Photos, Albums, associated HashTags, Attachments of any file type & Files in the files area.

 

Thank you for looking.

Raphael  <raphaelvowles@...>  Reading, Berkshire UK

I am a retired programmer. I'd be happy to discuss this proposal further.


moderated Re: Update/Rest of the year

Scott Logan
 

I'll add my 2¢ worth here too.

First and foremost, thank you to Mark for all the work and I'm sure many headaches, both due to our friends at Yahoo and from so many "newbies". Given the troubles created by Yahoo, I think you've done an admirable job. Glad to hear you've planned some time off, we really don't want you burned out!

As an aside, I feel like I've come "full circle" now.

My group, a combined user support/discussion and (occasional) promotion group for my business was originally started with eGroups in 2000. At that time, there was an option to pay a subscription fee to eliminate ads, which I happily paid (it was not much as I recall). This was much appreciated by my members, many of whom were also customers of my small business.

So now that "little" group has come back under Mark's wing, while in the meanwhile having grown from about 100 members to over 2,500 members. I've also transferred 2 other groups (one of which goes back to 1998) from YG to GIO and helped 2 other groups get moved.

GIO is so far superior to what was available under YG (even when it WAS supported), that it hurts to even place them in the same category.

Thank you Mark and your team!

Scott Logan
https://groups.io/g/Lathe-List
https://groups.io/g/QuickBooks


moderated Change: Members can only donate once to a donation request

 

Hi All,

There have been a few instances of members accidentally donating multiple times to the same donation request. I've changed it so that a person can only donate once to a given donation request.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Allow auto-moderated/locked topics due to time-out hashtag to be unmoderated/unlocked by hand

 

It is currently impossible to ever unmoderate or unlock a topic that was moderated or locked due to a hashtag time-out, because the system goes back through the topics list every night and moderates or locks it again. At first, I would try to unmoderate such a topic, and be perplexed that it would suddenly be moderated again the next day. Then I figured out what was happening. :-) The only way to unmoderate or unlock it is to change the hashtag duration, and this seems unacceptable (or at minimum unintuitive). So this request is to allow such topics to be unmoderated or unlocked by hand. They would probably have to be marked somehow so that they bypass the automated process from that point forward.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated member counts for member categories in Members dropdown #suggestion

 

It would be helpful to have member counts appear next to the named categories in the Members dropdown (Moderators, Pending Approval, Bouncing, Banned, Past). Having a count for the bouncing members would be particularly helpful, and is the origin of this request. The others would not be particularly helpful but could be included for consistency.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Update/Rest of the year

Catherine Dold
 

Thank you, Mark!

I'm getting great feedback from my group members...they love groups.io!

Cathy

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moderated Re: Update/Rest of the year

 

Mark,
Take care of yourself. Happy holidays!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Update/Rest of the year

 

Hi All,

I have unmoderated the beta group again. Please keep the discussion focused on new features and not support requests.

With the great Yahoo Groups migration winding down, I can turn back to projects in process before that happened. My focus continues to be on the app. It is almost ready for testing and I will soon create a new subgroup for that. The first version will not have moderator features; it's just focused on normal users. I will also be getting back to work on notifications soon.

I am working this week (although at reduced capacity because of a cold), and then will be on holiday until January 6th. As usual, I'll be monitoring the site. But answers to support requests will be delayed. Due to support volume, I can only answer messages from mods/owners of premium groups at this time. I wish it wasn't so, but that's reality.

2019 was quite a year for Groups.io. 2020 is looking to be even better. Thanks for your support!

Mark


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Bill Burns
 

On 12/9/2019 11:37 AM, Randall wrote:
All of my Yahoo groups still are archiving messages when made, an still can upload photos and files like they said would be disabled in October. Yahoogroups are as complacent in their shut down as they were in their service when operational.
Yahoo's policy has not changed on this:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN31010.html

"...all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed after December 14..."

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Bill


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Randall
 

All of my Yahoo groups still are archiving messages when made, an still can upload photos and files like they said would be disabled in October. Yahoogroups are as complacent in their shut down as they were in their service when operational.

That said, I'm sure Mark is more than "done having to deal with Yahoo transfers and al the trouble that went with it. I'm just glad he was there when Yahoogroups wasn't there for it's users. For that I give Mark a LOT of credit and an happy to pay for a service I could also have had for free. And  will keep paying for as long as he supports his users has he has. It can't be an easy job and it is very much appreciated.


moderated Re: Feature Request for Yahoo Group Transfers #suggestion

Jon Matcho
 

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 12:13 PM, Bill Burns wrote:
The messages archive will not be available at Yahoo after the 14th:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN31010.html
Ah, thanks Bill.  That was the part I was missing.  I had assumed the archives would be available after 12/14 and that part of the transfer process would still work.  Oh well.

Thanks everyone.


moderated Re: Themes #suggestion

 

Also colors can help differentiate things.

At one time I had several groups ... and I used different
color themes to make it quick and easy to recognize
which group I was administering.
You can also set a color theme by the background color of the graphic that you use as a cover image. Remember, that doesn't have to be a photo. One can create an appropriately sized graphic in another program and then export it as a JPG to be used by groups.io .

Dano


moderated Re: Themes #suggestion

Rol
 

 

 

Color preferences are very personal!

 

Also colors can help differentiate things.

 

At one time I had several groups on YahooGropes [spelling intended] and I used different color themes to make it quick and easy to recognize which group I was administering.

 

Of course I tend to like bright colors, especially greens!  I almost lost a board member of one group over that on our website!

 


moderated Re: Themes #suggestion

Frances
 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 08:27 PM, Al Arca wrote:
It would be nice to have different themes for display options. This blue is pretty boring for me.

 

I am happy with the current blue theme. If I remember correctly, there was quite a debate here on Beta about the look!

Each of my groups has a distinct cover photo and even an icon for mobile use and for the group feed. In other words, each group looks a little different.

Frances


moderated Re: Features to use Groups.io as an online email archive for a Yahoo Group

Bob Bellizzi
 

J,
I agree about staying as far away as possible from Verizonhoo.  
But al so, there's a lot of groupio-centric change requests queued up while the final Yahoo lifeboats where landing here and many of those change requests have merit.
We've been patient.  The last boat has (almost?) landed.
Lets move on more normal requests
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Features to use Groups.io as an online email archive for a Yahoo Group

 

I think this is a brilliant idea, but not that I think it should be implemented. I feel like groups.io should stay as far away from yahoo as possible after the current mess is over and done with. But that's  just my personal feeling!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Features to use Groups.io as an online email archive for a Yahoo Group

 

Mark,

Hopefully you won't boot me for being a heretic, but a question in GMF a bit ago got me thinking about it, so I ran a test.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/29915856#25326

The original idea was to use an email integration as a way to receive a Y!Group's messages into a Groups.io group. For archive purposes, as Yahoo won't store them going forward.

Yes, I know, the obvious objection is "why not just get the members to subscribe to the Groups.io group, post there, and be done with Yahoo Groups".

Honestly, I don't have a very compelling answer to that. I'm imagining a Yahoo Group owner who doesn't want to disrupt his members (who are happy with an email-only list) by trying to get them all to move to a new service; yet wants an online-archive. Or maybe a group like Y!GMF whose subject matter is Yahoo-centric, and so it would feel a bit weird to host the discussion elsewhere. Quite possibly most groups that start this way would eventually take the step of having the members move to Groups.io anyway.

Pressing on ...

1) Provide a "shortened" version of the email integration address.

I found that I could not get Yahoo to accept the integration address via Invite or -subscribe. They apparently don't allow the "+" character in subscribed email addresses.

I'm not sure exactly how to keep it out of the namespace of group posting addresses. Yahoo does seem to allow ".", so perhaps it could be:
groupname.int[hash]@groups.io or maybe
int[hash]@groupname.groups.io

I worked around this by subscribing my test group's posting address to the Yahoo Group -- but not vice-versa! No chance of a message loop that way.

Besides, if the Yahoo Group's address were a member of the Groups.io group then all messages would have the display name of that member - an undesirable result as then it wouldn't be evident who the original poster was.

So a consequence of this workaround is that the Yahoo Group posts as a non-subscriber - which means always moderated. Workable, but also undesirable, hence the request for a shortened email integration address.

2) If the group's Hide Email Addresses In Archives option is set to Mask them, apply that also to Display Names on posted messages. Important: apply that always when viewed by a non-member (in a group with public messages).

Reason: the way Yahoo Groups mungs From addresses (for DMARC) puts the clear text of the sender's address into the Display Name part of the message's From field. Which (because it is a non-subscriber post) becomes the Display Name in the group's web pages. In most types of groups it would be undesirable to expose that on the group's web pages, and it would always be undesirable to expose that in publicly viewed messages.

3) Auto-strip the Yahoo Group's footer.

Apart from the obvious desire to remove clutter, the Y!G footer also has a clear-text of the posting member's address. At least this one is already subject to the Hide Email Addresses setting.

Shal