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locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 09:44 PM, Technotronic Dimensions wrote:
Looks identical on the group web view, but for sure the normal footer that includes the "mute topic" and other stuff is not there. Also
the group name enclosed in the brackets IE : [ My Group ] thats usually put in the subject line is not there.
Perhaps this is the case of an an email reply where the person replying edited the reply. 
 
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Gerald


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Looks identical on the group web view, but for sure the normal footer that includes the "mute topic" and other stuff is not there. Also
the group name enclosed in the brackets IE : [ My Group ] thats usually put in the subject line is not there.


locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 10:12 AM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
This isn't anything like ebay or any other sales platform.


It's not about sales it's about effective ways to manage data. eBay does that because it boosts sales but the principle is the same regardless of your motive. Your completely missing the point by focusing on the sales element.

Many groups are highly specialized and are absolutely none of anyone else's business.
Many groups are highly specialized; diseases, advocacies, and other types.  Again, if you don't exactly fit, they don't wish you nose into what they do.


Most groups are not the freemasons or some other secret society. They are not trying to hide and have nothing to hide. You can't make that assertion for them. Unless you join there's precious little to see other than if you want to join. So no one's nosing into anything. That's just emotional nonsense.

The truth that they would be uninteresting to most people doesn't mean they're trying to hide from everyone else.

More groups want to expand membership than not. As evidenced by the fact they are open to new members  The few that don't are closed to join or invite only.

I wouldn't want to join most groups. But I want to find the ones I do. I have joined one of the specialist disease  groups because I have it. Otherwise I would have just browsed past it. I couldn't have joined it if I hadn't found it by browsing. Again not something I would have searched for. I don't dwell on my disease.




Regarding postal codes; again, some groups cover the world or a single country, one language or over 100.
And, as mentioned pointedly previously, what business is it of your's or anyone else?


I have no idea what your talking about I've never mentioned postal codes. I've mentioned that some groups are strictly local as they're amongst the ones I don't want to see while I'm browsing. Precisely because they're not relevant to me doh!

Anything I want to make my business is my business. That's not for you to dictate. I'll decide what interests me and each group can choose for themselves if they want to have me. That's none of your business because you're not me and you're not those groups.

Are you making these suggestions to enable some kind of information harvesting?

LOL paranoid much? How would that work exactly? The only information worth harvesting would be other people's names and contact details. Nothing I'm suggesting would make that possible.

Wake up to the fact that what I want is exactly what I've stated clearly and repeatedly. A browse function that's practical to use because I can exclude areas I know im not interested in.

I can allready browse all the groups. If there were some imaginary data worth harvesting from what that shows there'd be a script for it.

People love to browse. They do it in all walks of life for many different reasons. It's in our nature to enjoy looking through things for the things we like or want.

Why are you finding that such a difficult concept to grasp or accept?

Seriously, resistance to change is a natural quality in some people but when that change doesn't take anything away from what you allready have why so entrenched? You may not need a particular feature but if someone else does why do you care?

Ant👣


moderated Re: Clarifying status of transfer in upload queue

monamouroui
 

I'm sure it's not possible, but a solution to the bottle neck could be to only install the transfer of all the members for every group in the queue, and then later add the archives, files, photos, etc. This way groups can send new messages via GIO immediately instead of a month down the road. 

Sara


On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 6:35 PM txercoupemuseum.org <ercoguru@...> wrote:
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This would allow group owners to more timely follow-up as necessary DURING the presently lengthy “waiting for upload” step that has become a significant “bottleneck” (considering some 964 groups already ahead of us in the groups.io import queue).  It would better inform group owners, remove unnecessary delay in initiating necessary “follow-up requests”, and remove much of the present frustration arising out of ongoing uncertainty regarding the specific status of any given group’s transfer.



moderated Re: Clarifying status of transfer in upload queue

txercoupemuseum.org
 

I agree completely with Scott.  I would go even further and ask that the promised “notification of successful download” with details of WHAT was successfully downloaded go out immediately after “completion” of download.  

This would allow group owners to more timely follow-up as necessary DURING the presently lengthy “waiting for upload” step that has become a significant “bottleneck” (considering some 964 groups already ahead of us in the groups.io import queue).  It would better inform group owners, remove unnecessary delay in initiating necessary “follow-up requests”, and remove much of the present frustration arising out of ongoing uncertainty regarding the specific status of any given group’s transfer.

Indeed, it would seem any upload “bottleneck” would be independent of Yahoo server capacity; that part of the process having likely been completed for many of said 964 groups.  Perhaps renting/leasing server time (as opposed to buying greater server capacity than is needed for the foreseeable future once the current Yahoo stampede is over) could mitigate the present “bottleneck”?  

Waiting a few days is no big deal.  The possibility of waiting weeks or even months is the elephant in the room no one is addressing.  Such delay could undercut the credibility of many group owners with their subscribers.

Regards,

WRB

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On Nov 3, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Scott Chase <Scott.A.Chase@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,
Also, not providing any status results from the Stage 1&2 download, and then only providing the current wording for your Stage 3, seemed a bit vague & uncertain to me -- at least until I started reading support clarifying questions and reassuring replies here. The queue seems to move slow, and I just wanted to make absolutely sure a transfer would complete before the Dec 14th deadline, and that it wasn't dependent on my position in the "queue", which isn't moving very fast at this point.

To help clarify/summarize the current state of the transfer, especially for new customers here, could you please enhance the wording for Stage 3 to something like this?...

Your group has been successfully downloaded from Yahoo and that file is now safely stored on our server. Your group is now awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the Groups.io import queue.

Thanks,
Scott



locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

Have you checked the message in the online archive at groups.io to see if it is incomplete?
Most of the time the issue is at the final terminus as someone else said
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Line break to messages

Benoît Dumeaux
 

After the Y!G transfert I have lot of message with problem of line break.

I spend hours manually removing line breaks. I find a line Break Removal Tool but it's suck…

Could you be add a tool to the edit pannel?


moderated Re: Need different nomenclature of the transfer queue

Scott Chase
 

Hi Mark,
Also, not providing any status results from the Stage 1&2 download, and then only providing the current wording for your Stage 3, seemed a bit vague & uncertain to me -- at least until I started reading support clarifying questions and reassuring replies here. The queue seems to move slow, and I just wanted to make absolutely sure a transfer would complete before the Dec 14th deadline, and that it wasn't dependent on my position in the "queue", which isn't moving very fast at this point.

To help clarify/summarize the current state of the transfer, especially for new customers here, could you please enhance the wording for Stage 3 to something like this?...

Your group has been successfully downloaded from Yahoo and that file is now safely stored on our server. Your group is now awaiting import into Groups.io. There are about N groups ahead of it in the Groups.io import queue.

Thanks,
Scott


locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

Techno wrote:
Today a member posted a long 35K message via email that was in HTML. It seemed not all of it was processed, as
the email we got from the group led us to believe there was even more to read, because the normal footer appended to all the group messages was not there,
and the [ Group name ] part of the subject line was also not there.

Is this a setting correctable in the group settings ? Some of it seems to me that its inadvertently triggered a bug.

Have you looked at the raw message in your mailer? All 35K might be there; just some fault in the rendering. Maybe a rendering bug in your mail application or in the way the HTML was formed.



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Larry Marks


locked #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Today a member posted a long 35K message via email that was in HTML. It seemed not all of it was processed, as
the email we got from the group led us to believe there was even more to read, because the normal footer appended to all the group messages was not there,
and the [ Group name ] part of the subject line was also not there.

Is this a setting correctable in the group settings ? Some of it seems to me that its inadvertently triggered a bug.


moderated Re: Need different nomenclature of the transfer queue

Judy F.
 

Thank you Bruce, I am one of those that misunderstood what the step 3 meant.  I also thought we only had two more steps to go before we were transferred.  I also learned that only the owner or I guess
the person that set up the transfer could see the status.  That's kind of confusing also. 

I am the owner of the SewWhatEmbroiderySoftware group and the moderator of the SewItsForSale group. 

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


moderated Re: #request to add group #icon to the Home Page

Jim Wilson
 

I tried to find if anyone had done so. I guess I guess I didn't look hard enough. Agree, though. I am making a list of relatively minor things that are mostly aesthetic in nature.


moderated Re: Need different nomenclature of the transfer queue

 

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 9:07 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
We have people in GMF who are confusing "Step 3" in the transfer queue status (where it is counting down your group's position in the queue) with "Step 3" of the transfer instructions (where you are waiting for the transfer agent to accept your invitation).

Both of them involve lengthy delays where people have to be patient. It would be helpful to those of us trying to mitigate the anxiety of all this if progress through the queue was discussed in terms of "stages" instead of "steps." 

Good idea. I've made the change.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #request to add group #icon to the Home Page

Mark Irving
 

This was in my suggestion to provide an icon (before these existed at all). I would appreciate more use of the group icon, too!

That said, Mark Fletcher will be, rightly, too busy with the Y! Groups! refugees! right now to notice the request. Better to raise it again next year.

 - Mark


moderated Need different nomenclature of the transfer queue

Bruce Bowman
 

We have people in GMF who are confusing "Step 3" in the transfer queue status (where it is counting down your group's position in the queue) with "Step 3" of the transfer instructions (where you are waiting for the transfer agent to accept your invitation).

Both of them involve lengthy delays where people have to be patient. It would be helpful to those of us trying to mitigate the anxiety of all this if progress through the queue was discussed in terms of "stages" instead of "steps." 

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: Setting up Stripe for Donations

txercoupemuseum.org
 


Hi Mark,

I’ve successfully set up my Stripe account to solicit donations from the present 1,185 Yahoo ercoupe-tech subscribers.  I would like to recoup $200 (or so) of the $220 I advanced (from personal funds) for the year’s up front Premium Membership to get groups.io to timely migrate us from Yahoo.

My personal appraisal is that about 50% of above 1,185 (joining since 2007 and now) have since sold their aircraft and/or lost their enthusiasm for the Ercoupe.  Of the remaining 600 (in round numbers), if only one out of three respond with a dollar, I’m there.  

Considering the attention span of many, I’m afraid waiting however long it takes groups.io to get our Yahoo subscribers uploaded to groups.io before hitting everyone up for a donation will see a lower response the longer I wait.  How could I word an email request to them on Yahoo to urge them to send $ to Stripe now?  A groups.io solicitation to the 14 or so that have manually joined (before our Yahoo subscribers have been downloaded and uploaded) would be silly.

I have another group, Ercoupe Flyin, with under 700 Yahoo ercoupe-flyin subscribers.  I’m not in the financial position to “front” that group another $220 to get it transferred.  My “gut feeling is to ask Ercoupe-tech subscribers for $3, and apply everything exceeding the $200 I want reimbursed to the $220 necessary to get Flyin migrated by groups.io

I haven’t been able to find out how, as List Owner, to download the Ercoupe Flyin subscriber database, collective photo files (of questionable value, since they are less than 2 MB of very low resolution, or historical messages (CSV/etc.?).  Comments?

Free hosting has been offered free hosting from our type club and from another individual, but there remains the necessity of migrating the Yahoo member information, photos, etc.  Alternately it would appear I could set up Flyin as a subgroup (same problem remaining), reverting to groups.io “free” hosting after the move.  Any comments you might offer would be greatly appreciated.

Best!

WRB

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moderated #request to add group #icon to the Home Page

Jim Wilson
 

I would like to request the group icon be added and displayed on the home page similarly to the way it shows on the feed.

An additional idea would be to display the group icon just ahead of the breadcrumb menu on the same line or perhaps above the left-hand menu, either of which would help eliminate confusion and better indicate which group is being viewed.


locked Re: categorisation

Bob Bellizzi
 

This isn't anything like ebay or any other sales platform.
Many groups are highly specialized and are absolutely none of anyone else's business.
Many groups are highly specialized; diseases, advocacies, and other types.  Again, if you don't exactly fit, they don't wish you nose into what they do.
Regarding postal codes; again, some groups cover the world or a single country, one language or over 100.
And, as mentioned pointedly previously, what business is it of your's or anyone else?
Are you making these suggestions to enable some kind of information harvesting?

--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Douglas Swearingen <dougiebehr@...>
 

Mark,

I have had my group in Groups.io now for over a year.  However, for those migrating from Yahoo, Thank You for all you and your group are doing to get everyone transferred as soon as possible.  I hope you and your team have a Great Weekend.

Doug


From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 9:52 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: [beta] Site updates #changelog
 

Changes to the site this week:

  • API: New endpoints: newpoll, updatepoll, getpoll, vote.
  • API: New endpoint: registeruser.
  • NEW: Testing prioritizing support emails from group owners of premium groups.
  • API: New endpoints: newwikipage, getwikipages, getwikipageset.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Janis
 

Not all groups are localized to one zip code. Not all local groups want their location known.
You can search by state, country and abbreviations, county and town name.  If any of those are included in the description they will come up in results. Zip codes would only be searchable if the group owner puts the zip code in the description on the home page for the group.

Most groups at groups.io would not have a zip code or even a specific location.  Some have members from all over the world. My groups have members all over the United States.

If you are looking for a group for your location and interest, for example an archery group in Jacksonville search by town and search by topic.

If there is a group you will find it without needing a zip code.  No way would my groups include our zip codes on s website. We care about privacy of our members.