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moderated Small tweak in the Calendar

Don Pottenger
 

We use the calendar extensively in our group so we create new events all the time. It would be very helpful after picking a starting time (and the default end time shifts to 1 hour later) that when we click on the end time that it does not go back to 12:00am. How about leaving the end time at the +1 hour after the start time and let me scroll down from there? Having had to just rebuild all our Yahoo calendar events by hand the past couple of weeks this feature would have been very useful to me.

Thanks for your consideration.
Don Pottenger
Owner VillasofAda


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Janis
 

I do not want large attachments sent to my group and would like a way to set a limit so that any email with a large attachment bounces back to the sender with a notice thst the attachment is too large.  I moderate attachments but do not want to bother with rejecting the large files.  Would prefer them to be bounced before I see them.


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Charles Roberts
 

Been doing this for years on Yahoo....works well.

Chuck

On Dec 20, 2019 12:38 PM, "Christos G. Psarras" <christos@...> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 04:31 AM, Glenn wrote:
Large attachments have their place for some groups.

My suggestion for something like this, i.e. a useful and very large file that is of benefit to the whole group, is to place it in the Files (or Photos, depending on file type), then include the link to it in the email; if it helps, include a small preview of that file in the message.  Then folks can download it if they want to; with files, it's the direct link to the file and clicking it (or right-click-SaveAs) will open or save the file, with photos one has to follw the link first to open up the group's Photos, then they can download it from there.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Messages Read from Group's pages

Paul Webster
 

+1 from me for this

Situation is that existing members discuss whether or not a new person should join an organisation.
If the vote is split and the person joins then if they have access to the archives then they would also see who did not support their entry.

Today those discussions happen on YG with archiving turned off.
Moving over to groups.io to regain access to shared files area etc is hindered by not having easy way to restrict archiving.
If automatic locking after 1 day completely hides the content then that could be OK.


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Christos G. Psarras
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 04:31 AM, Glenn wrote:
Large attachments have their place for some groups.

My suggestion for something like this, i.e. a useful and very large file that is of benefit to the whole group, is to place it in the Files (or Photos, depending on file type), then include the link to it in the email; if it helps, include a small preview of that file in the message.  Then folks can download it if they want to; with files, it's the direct link to the file and clicking it (or right-click-SaveAs) will open or save the file, with photos one has to follw the link first to open up the group's Photos, then they can download it from there.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

RickGlaz <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

Sorry, no quoting needed...
My last message should have stated more clearly that was when trying to
compose from the 1+1, AKA IONOS WEBsite Webmail page.
That would be a good feature here.

Rick


moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

RickGlaz <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

This might help at least understanding, this is what I see.
The minute I "loose" my connection the orange bottom warning comes on and stays.
That is enough to keep me out of trouble there and not loose the message.
When I hit send, (ignoring the bottom warning),
I get the second white boxed pop-up.
With a chance to connect, etc...
Slick, but not much use for people "always" connected.
Thanks for reading this. Rick



moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

RickGlaz <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

Thanks to everyone that replied, especially Bob for the testing.

It is admittedly a problem I cause myself, and there is no draft
being saved do to the timing of the disconnect. (bummer)

I'll watch for sites that do this differently and report back where
this is handled in a more user friendly way. 

Then it might be a lot clearer when people can hopefully see
the "detection of connection" work as described.

I believe the 1+1 WEBmail hosting does that but it needs
an account to see it.

I'll start testing to see if someplace more publicly accessible is around.
Thanks for your help and considering a solution.

Rick
Sent from a ChromeBook

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Rick,
To test this issue, I started typing the message below and then cut off the wifi after the last word below.
I then terminated the instance of chrome that I was using to type my message online.
I waited 10 seconds and then reconnected the laptop wifi to the access point and
I then opened a new tab in Chrome (I had left Chrome running when I killed the wifi)
I reentered groups.io and selected Beta group.
Then I looked at my top draft of 8 outstanding and it was the message you see below
I selected it and was returned to the exact place where I exited from.

Yahoo never did save drafts when connections dropped out.
Sorry Rick, 
I reread your message and realized that it's possible you are operating in an email mode with groups.io.
If this is an email mode issue, it's definitely a software problem at your end.

There is no reason to expect the system to continually poll you once you are disconnected

--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Duane
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 03:17 AM, Glenn wrote:
So ask for help at GMF, report bugs to support@groups.io, and request new features here?
Those are the preferred options.  We sometimes hash over possible new features on GMF in an attempt to nail down what's needed and avoid clutter here, but starting here is also acceptable I believe.  (For Premium groups, the new Feature Request site can be used, https://groupsio.canny.io/, also see https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/23137)  If a bug is easily reproduced, going directly to support is best.  It doesn't hurt to ask about them on GMF, in case someone has a temporary work-around to get you by until it's fixed.

Duane


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 09:31 AM, Glenn wrote:
Do they get a bounce notification? Or does that only go to adminsitrators? How would they even know the message exists, if it bounces?
Glenn; if an email user is sent an attachment that exceeds their mail provider's limit then the provider is liable to bounce it; the user will get no notification at all, and a group owner.moderator will only know about the bounce if they search for it on the individual user's email delivery record. 

By setting a maximum attachment size a user tells Groups.io not to send attachments to them that exceed that setting but to send a link so that the user can go and find it for themselves. Duane's setting of "0" means that every attachment appears as a link, and it is a perfectly acceptable setting.

Like Duane I am at a loss to see why "huge" attachments should be required, and there is a potential major downside to them. There are occasions when mail providers more or less refuse to play nicely with Groups.io, and with a great deal of traffic once generated by Yahoo (groups) now being sent by Groups.io it hands a ready - made excuse to mail providers to start bouncing more of it. Once that starts then users will find themselves getting no traffic whatsoever, not just getting large attachments bounced. I would argue that that would be a significantly greater inconvenience than just having to click a link in an email to find an attachment.

Chris


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Glenn
 

Do they get a bounce notification? Or does that only go to adminsitrators? How would they even know the message exists, if it bounces?

And, as you do, if folks don't want large messages, they can set their max attachment size appropriately.

The attachment overhead is about 33%, not 50%, from BASE64 encoding.

Large attachments have their place for some groups. Having it show up in email automatically is a convenience. Less interactivity required, stored locally on the computer for later. Some folks like it that way, some folks like it your way.


moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Glenn
 

Thanks. I missed the download button, and in fact, got confused at the Members page due to "Pending Members" hiding the "Members list" when I was looking for the above info.

Didn't know about support@groups.io, will report it there. Still a newbie here. Did know about GMF, but hadn't figured out all the protocol: So ask for help at GMF, report bugs to support@groups.io, and request new features here?

The bug is what brought me here for this stream of discussion, not knowing about support@....


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:01 PM, Glenn wrote:
what if someone sends more than 10 or 25MB? Then it bounces.
Then they go to the site to read it.  I can't think of a good reason to be sending an attachment that large to a group though.  There can be a lot of overhead involved in sending something as an attachment, often 50% of the original file size.  It would make more sense to me to upload it into a file (or photo) and let people decide for themselves if they want to use the bandwidth to view it (without the overhead.)

As a side note, I have my subscription set to 0 for max attachment size, just for situations such as this.

Duane


moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:03 PM, Glenn wrote:
4. Would be nice to download the current members list as a TSV with names and emails.  That's what I really was looking for.
You can do that into a CSV using the Download button at the top of the Members page, then manipulate as you want.

You should probably ask about things like this on GMF to make sure they don't exist before requesting features on the beta group (which is what it's supposed to be used for, per the group description.)  The only item I see on your list that really belongs on this group is #1, but possibly #3 as well.  The sorting problem on the Invite page should be reported to support@groups.io as a bug, though I wasn't able to duplicate it.  I also didn't see duplicate or missing entries, but don't have very many invites on my group since I usually delete them as they're accepted.

Duane


moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Glenn
 

In the same vein,

4. Would be nice to download the current members list as a TSV with names and emails.  That's what I really was looking for.


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Glenn
 

Almost true, Duane: what if someone sends more than 10 or 25MB? Then it bounces.


moderated Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Glenn
 

Doing a manual migration of a Yahoo group, and trying to track which members have accepted, and so the Sent Invitations, sorted by Status, seemed to be a great way to go.

But there are duplicate entries, and missing entries. The right number of Accepted status entries in total, as compared to the default sorted-by-email list.

So I had to resort to copy/pasting them all to a spreadsheet, and sorting by status there, to get the complete list of Accepted (so far) folks.

1. Would be nice if we could just download the list as a TSV or CSV some spreadsheet format
2. Would be nice if the Status sort produced correct results online.
3. I didn't check the sort-by-Invited list for accuracy, but that column is a misnomer... it starts out as the invited date, but then updates to the Failed or Accepted date: which is useful, but not quite an accurate column name. It seems to really be the "date of last status".


moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:51 PM, Glenn wrote:
it would be nice if groups.io allowed those limits to be selected by the users
All they have to do is choose Unlimited on their Subscription settings and they'll get whatever someone sends.

Duane


moderated More attachment size selections requested

Glenn
 

Since many email providers limit incoming emails to 10MB and 25MB, it would be nice if groups.io allowed those limits to be selected by the users for their incoming attachment sizes, avoiding the need to click through to the attachment for more of the incoming messages from groups.io.

Better, would be to allow a specific number of MB, rather than just a menu of choices.


moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

Bob Bellizzi
 

Rick,
To test this issue, I started typing the message below and then cut off the wifi after the last word below.
I then terminated the instance of chrome that I was using to type my message online.
I waited 10 seconds and then reconnected the laptop wifi to the access point and
I then opened a new tab in Chrome (I had left Chrome running when I killed the wifi)
I reentered groups.io and selected Beta group.
Then I looked at my top draft of 8 outstanding and it was the message you see below
I selected it and was returned to the exact place where I exited from.

Yahoo never did save drafts when connections dropped out.
Sorry Rick, 
I reread your message and realized that it's possible you are operating in an email mode with groups.io.
If this is an email mode issue, it's definitely a software problem at your end.

There is no reason to expect the system to continually poll you once you are disconnected

--

Bob Bellizzi