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moderated Re: DNS issue, now fixed #downtime

Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
 

Mark,
When there is a rare event that prevents Groups.io from being accessed, is there another place to see the outage status?  For example:

  • twitter
  • facebook
  • etc
Thanks Al


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

Duane
 

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 05:12 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Do I understand correctly that if a basic group buys 1 month premium, they can create subgroups, and these subgroups do not disappear when they revert to basic again?
According to Mark's earlier statement, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/23582, the subgroup(s) would be deleted after a short delay.  If it were me, I'd probably not allow subgroups to be created unless it was at least a one year premium upgrade.  I think that would be a better signal of intentions.  Or maybe only after a month-to-month upgrade has been in effect for 3 months or more?  I know there are some folks that can't justify an annual payment in their budget.

Duane


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 10/01/2020 23:00, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Basic groups created after Wednesday morning, 1/15/20 at 9AM, will no longer have the ability to create subgroups.
W.r.t. basic groups created after Wednesday:

Do I understand correctly that if a basic group buys 1 month premium, they can create subgroups, and these subgroups do not disappear when they revert to basic again?

But, if a basic group buys 1 month premium, and then reverts to basic again, can they then still create subgroups even though they're no longer a premium group? Or must they upgrade to 1 month premium each time they want to create more subgroups?

Samuel


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

Duane
 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 09:47 PM, Michael Chopra wrote:
Does this mean that already existing basic groups that have not created subgroups at all, will they still be able to create them after this date?
That's what the announcement says.

Duane


moderated Re: Subalbums in Photos

RCardona
 

Shouldn't be necessary and won't address the issue.  Photos and Files should each have the capacity to organize in subfolders.  Subfolders are an important tool to organize, which photos simply doesn't have.  This is the 4th iteration of this feature request.  

R. Cardona


On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 07:37 PM, lloyd lehrer wrote:
Why dont you just create a subgroup for photos

lloyd lehrer,


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

Michael Chopra
 

Hi. Does this mean that already existing basic groups that have not created subgroups at all, will they still be able to create them after this date?
Thanks.
From Michael.


moderated Re: Direct Adds using Premium plan for 1 month as recommended

Darlene Dimitrie <dvhhemail.darlene@...>
 

Thank you Mark.  I cannot believe how fast you replied.  3 minutes.  That is so uncommon today for support.  I am very impressed!
Well that is great news!
We may end up on Premium anyway because I really like the next three features on the list.
We haven't tried a lot of the other things like events, calendar yet.
Also the database mapping feature sounds awesome since this is a genealogy group and our databases will definitely hold villages by name or co-ordinates.
I can see uses for reposting too.
Again, thank you for that clarification.
Darlene
p.s. off-topic - I used to deal with a Mark Fletcher at Nortel/Avaya who is an expert in 911 PSAPs (Public Service Access Points).  I know that isn't you.


moderated Re: Direct Adds using Premium plan for 1 month as recommended

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 6:20 PM Darlene Dimitrie via Groups.Io <dvhhemail.darlene=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

So one of the things I saw somewhere, I think in the GMF mailing list and/or the website is that it is recommended to go to the Premium level on the 1 month plan and you will be reverted back to Basic after 30 days.  Does this still work with the new prices and policies?

Yes, that advice is good.

 
We are grandfathered to have subgroups since we subscribed before whatever date the deadline was, so if we go to Premiums for 1 month, then revert back to Basic, do we lose the subgroups?

No you do not lose the subgroups because your group was created before this coming Wednesday at 9AM Pacific Time.


Mark 


moderated Direct Adds using Premium plan for 1 month as recommended

Darlene Dimitrie <dvhhemail.darlene@...>
 

I know that the pricing and some policies around downgrading you plan just changed.  I have read several of these trying to figure out how this will affect what am looking into.

Here's the situation:
Created new group on Jan 9 at Basic level, figured would move to Premium when/if I found a reason to do it.
Have been adding users mostly by Invites.  There are some issues as many of our members want the simplicity they had with Rootsweb mailing lists, where basically all you do is send and receive posts.  I'm glossing over details of how they subscribe, some are subscribed manually by me, but most people use the special email address used to subscribe.  They do not want to have to create an account at all or use it.  Not everyone, but many.  We have added about 70 subscribers via invite, but with a lot of pitfalls and lots of one-on-one explaining.
So one of the things I saw somewhere, I think in the GMF mailing list and/or the website is that it is recommended to go to the Premium level on the 1 month plan and you will be reverted back to Basic after 30 days.  Does this still work with the new prices and policies?
We are grandfathered to have subgroups since we subscribed before whatever date the deadline was, so if we go to Premiums for 1 month, then revert back to Basic, do we lose the subgroups?
I apologize, I know this question has been asked in various forms already, but I am getting confused by all the variations in the questions.

Darlene


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:07 PM txercoupemuseum.org <ercoguru@...> wrote:

Your comment above is my first indication that my existing subgroup established under the temporary “Premium” membership purchased to get my groups transferred from Yahoo would disappear if and when we exercised the promised option to revert to a free group, i.e that it would not be “grandfathered”.

Any group that is created before this coming Wednesday at 9AM Pacific Time will continue to have the ability to create subgroups, regardless of whether they are basic or premium. Does that answer your question?

Mark


moderated Re: Subalbums in Photos

lloyd lehrer
 

Why dont you just create a subgroup for photos

lloyd lehrer, (310)951-9097

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 3:20 PM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
> It would be nice to have the option to create subalbums in the photo section.
> Victoria
 
I concur with this.
Dano
 


moderated Re: Subalbums in Photos

 

> It would be nice to have the option to create subalbums in the photo section.
> Victoria
 
I concur with this.
Dano
 


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Hi Mark,

I was responding to your statements to Samuel Murray today:

"On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:46 AM Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@...> wrote:

What would happen (from now on) to subgroups in groups who are premium 
for a while and then changes to non-premium?  Will it be a loophole in 
the system that you can create subgroups by paying for 1 month premium?

The subgroups will be deleted, after a delay to ensure that the downgrade wasn't an inadvertent mistake on the part of the group owner.”

Your comment above is my first indication that my existing subgroup established under the temporary “Premium” membership purchased to get my groups transferred from Yahoo would disappear if and when we exercised the promised option to revert to a free group, i.e that it would not be “grandfathered”.

As you say, that feature may not have existed because there was no need for it.  Since you now appear to have above defined a “new consideration”, my current response would seem both reasonable and appropriate.

Respectfully,

WRB


On Jan 13, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:37 PM txercoupemuseum.org <ercoguru@...> wrote:
So what would be the appropriate sequence and timing to (1) create a new free group to receive the information presently in a Premium subgroup such that (2) transfer of such content is not lost when exercising the option to downgrade from Premium to free status at the end of the present paid period?  Is there a way for a list owner to do such transfer within present Groups.io tools/procedures?

Not sure I understand. You want to take an existing subgroup and make it a stand alone group? That feature doesn't presently exist.

Mark 
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moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:37 PM txercoupemuseum.org <ercoguru@...> wrote:
So what would be the appropriate sequence and timing to (1) create a new free group to receive the information presently in a Premium subgroup such that (2) transfer of such content is not lost when exercising the option to downgrade from Premium to free status at the end of the present paid period?  Is there a way for a list owner to do such transfer within present Groups.io tools/procedures?

Not sure I understand. You want to take an existing subgroup and make it a stand alone group? That feature doesn't presently exist.

Mark 


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

txercoupemuseum.org
 

So what would be the appropriate sequence and timing to (1) create a new free group to receive the information presently in a Premium subgroup such that (2) transfer of such content is not lost when exercising the option to downgrade from Premium to free status at the end of the present paid period?  Is there a way for a list owner to do such transfer within present Groups.io tools/procedures?

WRB

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On Jan 13, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:46 AM Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@...> wrote:

What would happen (from now on) to subgroups in groups who are premium
for a while and then changes to non-premium?  Will it be a loophole in
the system that you can create subgroups by paying for 1 month premium?

The subgroups will be deleted, after a delay to ensure that the downgrade wasn't an inadvertent mistake on the part of the group owner.


Mark 


moderated Re: Facebook integrations not working

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:14 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

In that case, it should be removed from the Integrations menu so that no one attempts to use it (and complains when it doesn't work. ;>)

Good idea. Done.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

 

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 4:07 AM Beth Weld <bethweld77@...> wrote:

If the subgroups count towards the main group total, it would be very helpful to be able to see an accumulated total in the main group instead of trying to manually calculate it. If each subgroup has its own limit then I won't worry about it anymore.


Subgroups each have the same amount of storage as the main group. So, in (current) basic groups, the main group has 1GB of storage, and each subgroup also has 1GB of storage.


Mark


moderated Re: Premium groups now have more storage, basic group subgroups change

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 12:46 AM Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@...> wrote:

What would happen (from now on) to subgroups in groups who are premium
for a while and then changes to non-premium?  Will it be a loophole in
the system that you can create subgroups by paying for 1 month premium?

The subgroups will be deleted, after a delay to ensure that the downgrade wasn't an inadvertent mistake on the part of the group owner.


Mark 


moderated Re: Email Privacy

Larry Finch
 

I have one list owner (on listserv, not groups.io) who hosts a list on travel in China. As much of what is posted can be construed as political by authorities in China he  assures complete anonymity. He does that by setting the list to moderated. So every message goes to him only. Instead of releasing it he copies the content into a new post, removing all personally identifiable information, and posts it under his moderator email address. He’s been doing this for 20 years.

Larry

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:10 AM Nis Jørgensen <nis@...> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 07:43 PM, Larry Finch wrote:

> In groups that I host we recommend that users create “throwaway” gmail or
> yahoo addresses that don’t identify them and are used only for posting to
> the group.

As Patti wrote: "Many of these users are not sophisticated enough to set up an alternate email or even realize they could be exposed. " The point is, I would like to extend the anonymity to the ones who don't think they need it, and to the ones who may think they need it, but don't know how. Or the ones who choose not to join, because of the lack of anonymity. Some may even see see the lack of built-in anonymity as a problem, not just for themselves. As I mentioned, the group has the word "anonymous" in its name.



--
Larry Finch

N 40° 53' 50"
W 74° 02' 55"


moderated Re: I CANNOT ACCESS GROUPS.IO

 

The site had to go out of reach
And some members were starting to screech.
They lost their access
Due to bad DNS
But it wasn't too bad of a breach.
--
J
Methinks the lady has been cursed by a rhyming spell. :-)

Dano