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moderated Re: Glitch in Emailed Photos when deleting

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 06:12 PM, Margo Seegrist wrote:
I have been going to the Emailed Photos album and deleting the oldest ones.  Each time I delete a photo, there is a gray box left behind.  If I click on it, it moves the photo after it into that slot - I understand that action.  But when I get to the last photo and delete it, left behind is a black box.
Your browser is caching the thumbnail page. Hit ctrl-F5 to refresh the page between deletions.

Bruce


moderated Re: Glitch in Emailed Photos when deleting

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 05:12 PM, Margo Seegrist wrote:
Is this normal?  What is it that way?
Bugs (or suspected bugs) should be reported to support@groups.io  This group is intended for feature enhancements or suggestions (as shown in the description on the home page.)

For assistance with existing features, you should post in Group_Help or GroupManagersForum aka GMF (also noted in the group description.)

Duane


moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 05:22 PM, Charlie Behnken wrote:
I did find this old link where Mark says the pictures are displayed as 720x720
That's for photos that are in messages, it shouldn't have anything to do with uploaded photos.

Duane


moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 04:34 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
I don't see why the image is not downloaded automatically (or opened in your graphics app, depending on your settings) when one clicks on the Download button, but instead goes to a different screen where the image is displayed at actual size, and one can then right-click to save the image, that's extra unnecessary work IMO
Download did do an actual download at one time, but it didn't work in some browsers, so Mark ended up back at the original code, which is what happens now - opens in a new screen.

Duane


moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Charlie Behnken
 

Christos,

I have been playing with this for a while, and I tried different sizes with no improvement.  Our group is set to a max of  2048x2048.  My desktop is 1680x1050. My pictures have been resized to 1980x whatever so as not to eat up space.  When I click on download the image is crystal clear.    It is not my pictures.

I did find this old link where Mark says the pictures are displayed as 720x720 - https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2366?p=,,,20,0,0,0::relevance,,720,20,2,0,49528  and Duane made the following comment last year - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8603?p=,,,20,0,0,0::relevance,,720,20,2,0,19578151

And yes it is an upsizing issue, but I think the pictures should be displayed full size when you click on it, or do a slideshow.

This is out a user's control.  It has to be a change to the Photos code.

Charlie


moderated Glitch in Emailed Photos when deleting

Margo Seegrist
 

I have been going to the Emailed Photos album and deleting the oldest ones.  Each time I delete a photo, there is a gray box left behind.  If I click on it, it moves the photo after it into that slot - I understand that action.  But when I get to the last photo and delete it, left behind is a black box.  If I delete that, it gets hung up until I do the back arrow.  Then it takes me back to the black box.  It doesn't take me to the last photo in the album.

Is this normal?  What is it that way?

Sincerely,

Rli


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Brian Garback <brian.garback@...>
 

Very clever. I’ll work on it. This is exactly what I need. Just an archive, no need for it to all be in groups.io. 

Best, 
Brian

202-236-5839

On Dec 22, 2019, at 2:06 PM, outlawmws via Groups.Io <Outlawmws@...> wrote:


Brian G - did you see where Yahell has extended the time to request a data dump (they give it to you via Zip file)

The trick I found is you have to give a confirmation (basically MFA) before they start.  its slow, but I requested. (Still waiting...) - I'm told you get a dump of every group you have ever been in  (They have not yet deleted the data just taken it off line to the web pages for the groups...)


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Brian Garback <brian.garback@...>
 

Awesome. I’ll read through these. Thanks a ton!

Best,
Brian

202-236-5839

On Dec 22, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Shal Farley <@Shal> wrote:

Brian,

Do you have simple guidance on how to transfer users from Yahoo now?
Knowing that the data is all gone.
Read this, then ask questions on GMF (GroupManagersForum):
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io

Shal



moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

Brian,

Do you have simple guidance on how to transfer users from Yahoo now?
Knowing that the data is all gone.
Read this, then ask questions on GMF (GroupManagersForum):
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io

Shal


moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Christos G. Psarras
 

Charlie,

>>>

Fully agree that the photo presentation is not up to par.  It is not as good as Yahoo was.  TVs are moving to 4K and 8K.  Desktops and phones have been providing better and better resolution.  Blurry pictures are not what people want. I heard from someone it was to save bandwidth.  I admit everyone does not have unlimited bandwidth, but unlimited is the trend.  Perhaps a quality option somewhere.  As photo sharing after an event is one our prime uses of Groups.io, I would really like better quality photos.

<<<

All other things being equal (i.e. the image wasn't blurry/messed-up to begin with), the issue is not an image resolution/quality or a bandwidth problem, it's an (original) image resizing issue, and specifically, an image up-sizing issue.


To expand on what Duane said, the problem is that the code behind photos, while it will correctly "shrink/size-down" an image which is larger than the screen photo display area (that black area that contains the image with the < >, and which will vary based on current screen resolution/size used), it will also do the corollary when the image is smaller than the screen photo display area and will "expand/resize-up" that photo to fit that display area instead of displaying it actual/100% size, and this causes small(er) images to become blurry to varying degrees.  You can see what I mean, find a photo which displays blurry when it shouldn't, click on Download to bring it up on screen at its actual size, and you'll notice that it's smaller than the display area, anywhere from a lot smaller to some percentage smaller of the display area.  Then find another image which is rather large to begin with, or upload a test photo that's close or bigger than your monitor's resolution, and you'll notice how that displays fine.


I also do agree, the photo display functionality can use some fixing and also some improvements; for example, the Download button, I don't see why the image is not downloaded automatically (or opened in your graphics app, depending on your settings) when one clicks on the Download button, but instead goes to a different screen where the image is displayed at actual size, and one can then right-click to save the image, that's extra unnecessary work IMO; yes, one can right-click on the Download button and select "Save Link As" and it will save it that way right away, but the average user won't think to do that, initially at least.

The good thing (thank heavens!!) is that, provided the group settings are set accordingly, GIO will not muck around with the actual image's resolution & DPI when it stores the image, and will download the actual original size/rez, unlike FB which will physically alter the image to downsize it AND resample its rez to 300dpi max, before it stores it on its servers.


Cheers,

Christos



On 2019-12-21 10:21, Charlie Behnken via Groups.Io wrote:


Charlie

P.S. the download button is not a replacement for a good slide show.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 10:32 AM, Brian Garback wrote:
Do you have simple guidance on how to transfer users from Yahoo now?
There's a pretty good wiki page that might help you, https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io

Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

outlawmws
 

Brian G - did you see where Yahell has extended the time to request a data dump (they give it to you via Zip file)

The trick I found is you have to give a confirmation (basically MFA) before they start.  its slow, but I requested. (Still waiting...) - I'm told you get a dump of every group you have ever been in  (They have not yet deleted the data just taken it off line to the web pages for the groups...)


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Brian Garback <brian.garback@...>
 

Mark,

Do you have simple guidance on how to transfer users from Yahoo now? Knowing that the data is all gone.

I missed the deadline for Yahoo.

Thanks a bunch,
Brian


moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 05:18 AM, RickGlaz wrote:
1+1 WEBmail
I've searched for the 1+1 WEBmail but haven't been able to find it.
What will help clarify the issue is
      •  
      • we know you are using a chromebook
      • how are you accessing groups.io
        • via email and if email, what email client software and who is your email provider (domain name e.g. pacificbell.net, aol.com, etc_
        • via a browser and if a browser, which browser
      • is your computer connected by cable or wifi
      • who is your internet service provider (ISP)
      • what kind of broadband connection do you have? 
        • cable or dsl or ?
That, at least might get us into the same general area as you so we could better understand the operation.
I did access that internet program but their website don't tell much about specific functionality, controls, etc.


 
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Messages Read from Group's pages

Christos G. Psarras
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 01:28 PM, Paul Webster wrote:
Situation is that existing members discuss whether or not a new person should join an organisation.
If the vote is split and the person joins then if they have access to the archives then they would also see who did not support their entry.
Paul,

There is a way to do what you want, create an off-the-record subgroup.

1. When the time comes to discuss an applicant, create a private subgroup (not listed in parent group, messages viewable by subgroup members only)
2. Configure the subgroup the way you want it to operate, wide open conversation I guess.
2. Add all parent group members to it.
3. The applicant's acceptance discussions take place strictly on that subgroup only, not on the parent group, strictly enforced.
4. When done, delete the subgroup; no trace left on the group's online archives.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Charlie Behnken wrote:
I heard from someone it was to save bandwidth. 
More likely to save storage space here on Groups.io. With "large" photos 1 GB on a Basic group can be gobbled up rather quickly.

  As photo sharing after an event is one our prime uses of Groups.io, I would really like better quality photos.
What have you got Max Size in Photos Section set to? If photo quality is of major significance then you can set it to No resizing but as suggested above your available storage may / will shrink rather rapidly. Any blurring visible with that setting is down to the original photographer.

Chris


moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Charlie Behnken
 

Fully agree that the photo presentation is not up to par.  It is not as good as Yahoo was.  TVs are moving to 4K and 8K.  Desktops and phones have been providing better and better resolution.  Blurry pictures are not what people want.

I heard from someone it was to save bandwidth.  I admit everyone does not have unlimited bandwidth, but unlimited is the trend.  Perhaps a quality option somewhere.  As photo sharing after an event is one our prime uses of Groups.io, I would really like better quality photos.

Charlie

P.S. the download button is not a replacement for a good slide show.


moderated Re: automatic deletion, why?

outlawmws
 

He needs to list the group Email or site (groups.io) in his contacts (or equivalent) so as to white list it...


moderated Re: automatic deletion, why?

KWKloeber
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 03:52 PM, Janis wrote:
I had a member using SBCGlobal removed this week from two groups for marking messages as spam. 
Janis there is an important distinction.  The notice doesn't say THE MEMBER marked a message as spam.  It refers to their email provider as reporting to GIO that a message was marked as spam.  It is IMPORTANT that members KNOW/UNDERSTAND why/how it works and TO CHECK their spam boxes for GIO messages and NOT DELETE THEM (or leave them in there when they clear their spam folder.)  That's when they get reported and the member gets unsubscribed.
Members have a propensity to NOT read the messages -- one complained that he was unsubscribed for SENDING spam,  Sheesh, read much?


moderated Re: automatic deletion, why?

Janis
 

Just an FYI
I had a member using SBCGlobal removed this week from two groups for marking messages as spam.  He says he did not mark any messages as spa m and is unhappy about being removed.  So far he has not found any notifications from Groups.io with links to resubscribe.  Maybe sbcglobal did not deliver the notifications.  He only found out when I emailed him to ask if he still wants to be in the groups.  He does, but has not found the notices with the resub links!

At this point I am not sure they would deliver an invite either!