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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

billsf9c
 

I'm saying that I LOVE and UNDERSTAND, but I am losing membership in a couple valuable groups as they are short sighted.

Like my members who don't see trends in the industry, they would not allow me to migrate to IO when it was free. They would not discuss it at 110$. Only at the last minute did a few say. "I know & like IO." Or "I know & hate Google."

The Edsel was [too] ahead if its time. Great car. "Looked wrong."

The masses do not understand that it took 2000 members 15-20 VERY busy years to reach 3/4 of the Gig they use(d.) 

Does Google include text in their 15 Gigs? Maybe it's just apples and oranges.?!?!?

Crowds went with Goliath.
David's people thought he was a nut for "~15 minutes."
Animals, insects, and other people and businesses stand tall and raise arms and fluff up fur to appear large. That's google. They don't dole out 14 extra Gigs which sit idle for 1-5-20 years. "It's on paper... there when you want/need.it".Look hiw banks do money - want your 250,000? They don't actually have it... "Give us 2-3-4 days."

Find a loophole. Make this Edsel look as grand as their flimsy fiberglass crap. Tell them 15 Gigs. Allot them 1. Tack on 1.at 900Megs. It's just a façade. It's still better under the car cover.

BillSF9c
Ex SillyCom Valley Dude


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

billsf9c
 

Reading all the support for the thread I began and this time WITH coffee -

It jumps out at me that the void ought be filled to reflect; Free-Basic, $5/mo & $10/mo, $20/mo. Round down if they pay a year in a lump sum.

Yet and STILL, David MUST meet Goliath on the 15 Gigs FREE Battlefield. IT MUST D*A*R*E TO CONTEND...

...despite the fact that a "busy but typical" 2000 member groups take 10-20 years to fill that. Adding a 2nd Gig to the 1st, 3 to that for 5, 5 to that for 10, and the last 5 when needed, automatically and not 14 more Gigs initially... need not appear or be said, anywhere. They'll have 15 gigs, and will need them around... 2380 by my calculations.

I just hope Green Lantern doesn't mind using IO on our T-Shirts, it being near to his Logo. When do these come out, "David?" [Mark?] Set the sloth down, (What's its' name, again?) Push the choke in. You had a break. It's YahOop's Death's Anniversary. Let's start this party w a BANG! Shoot Goliath right in the foot!

We're rootin' for ya! We're truely in this together...!

Offer the product NOW, available Oct 31st in the fine print.

BillSF9c
Trend Guru


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

billsf9c
 

> A warning message would be a good stop gap for now. It would have saved me, and no doubt others, a lot of headaches. 

Heck - Dissappearing Drafts was a FEATURE in YahOops!!! 🤣

I'm sure it'll get fixed, probably within the week. I DID learn ro use a.NotePad to hood purpose for this very reason... and none in IO have dissappeared on me - yet...

BillSF9c
[TOO] Near San Francisco


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

John Wirtz SF
 

Can I concur with the previous comments, seems we all appreciate a good product with support.  That’s got to be worth paying for in all cases even if a small amount.

 

John Wirtz

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Cook
Sent: 21 October 2020 17:06
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Free to Premium Expanse

 

To summarize my take, here's what I think.

 

  • Yes, there is a donut hole.
  • It's about affordability, not price competition.
  • If it were filled, I'd probably move two of my legacy basic groups into it.
  • If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.

Pete


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 12:06 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.
Oh - and because with GIO there's an upgrade path. There isn't one with Google.


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Ken Schweizer
 

Mark,

IMO, the $5 per month rate ($60 annually to reduce paperwork/workload) with files and photos and a little or no increase in storage would allow smaller Basic/Free groups to "donate" to help support your efforts easily. A majority of our group lurk, only occasionally replying to a post, but use the files posted in our file section for study. I know I would be happy to pay the $60 per year out on my pocket and not ask for donations.

Thanks for a GREAT platform!
Ken

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Donald Hellen
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Mark . . .

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:55:12 -0700, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the
free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the
kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a
business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of
groups/users are most important. But that's not us.

I'm not sure that most of his post explained it well, but I think he
was suggesting a plan between premium and basic. Maybe call it
enhanced (doesn't matter what to call it). Charge perhaps $5/mo for
5GB. Or instead you could make it a 10GB plan for the mid-grade one,
and charge $10. I don't think you need an infinite number of steps
between premium and basic, but I've read many posts elsewhere that
said they'd like to se an "in-between" plan that gives more than basic
but less than premium.

The problem is if you offer such a plan and it turns out it didn't
work out well, do you eliminate the middle tier plan or grandfather
then in and just no longer offer it.

I'm not suggesting an exact price nor how much storage or which
features to offer for how much. The above were just examples.

Donald


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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

To summarize my take, here's what I think.
 
  • Yes, there is a donut hole.
  • It's about affordability, not price competition.
  • If it were filled, I'd probably move two of my legacy basic groups into it.
  • If I were starting a new group and needed only basic features, I'd probably still go with GIO over Google (and live with the storage limits) - mainly because of the excellent moderator toolset and Mark's commitment to the product.
Pete


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Duane
 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 09:49 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
In addition, another member that has one of those existing groups can't save changes on the settings page that don't involve the title or email address without getting the error.

That should have been fixed a week or two ago.
This just happened 3 days ago, so there may be a little bug in the logic for an existing group.  They got around it by changing freecycle to phreecycle.

Duane


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Mo
 

Freecycle are legit UK organisation.  They have been around for years and yeah they do own their trademark by the looks of it.

On Wednesday, 21 October 2020, 16:22:32 BST, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing the Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular group with freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark.
In the light of the above this 2009 (UK) article may be of passing interest...

Chris


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

John Wirtz SF
 

Regarding the subscription options:

 

I was very pleased to find GIO.  I joined “egroups” in the early 2000s which was free and that worked perfectly.  It then became Yahoo groups and over a period disintegrated. 

After  the way Yahoo sabotaged the groups, I am sceptical of anything that’s free.  So, I am prepared to pay for a good service and plumbed for the level I needed, i.e. premium as it has the facilities I need to manage my group effectively.

I have to agree that $20.00 a month is probably more than I’d wish to pay.

 

So rather than introduce an intermediate subscription do away with the free version and introduce free trials and reduce the cost of the premium with perhaps storage options, the more you want, the more you pay. 

I only intend my members to post messages and perhaps the occasional file so can keep storage to a minimum.  You can also manage your storage by deleting older files.

If you have a free platform, there will be those who never move away from it.

 

But there is on business principle that no one can get away from, to be profitable , you have to make a charge for services.

 

John Wirtz

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 21 October 2020 15:59
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Free to Premium Expanse

 

I also would stay away from google.



On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing the Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular group with freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark.
In the light of the above this 2009 (UK) article may be of passing interest...

Chris


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

I also would stay away from google.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

If course it’s Mark’s decision. Just giving some feedback, and it doesn’t affect me personally anyway.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:


Only Mark knows the financial side of GIO. GIO has to be a financial viable business. Let's allow Mark to decide what he feels the best. If what is offered by GIO is not satisfactory, the groups can move elsewhere. My 0.02

MKR

Virus-free. www.avg.com

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:40 AM Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so they can move from Yahoo.  It appears that if the word freecycle is in either the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That address is not valid." error.  I know there are over 50 existing groups with freecycle in the group name, so don't understand what the problem could be.


Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing the Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular group with freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark. I have not yet asked that group to change their name, but I may have to. To head off any new issues, no more groups with freecycle in their name. Note, I have no idea if the demand is legally valid or not.
 
In addition, another member that has one of those existing groups can't save changes on the settings page that don't involve the title or email address without getting the error.

That should have been fixed a week or two ago.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

M K Ramadoss
 

Only Mark knows the financial side of GIO. GIO has to be a financial viable business. Let's allow Mark to decide what he feels the best. If what is offered by GIO is not satisfactory, the groups can move elsewhere. My 0.02

MKR

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:40 AM Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

Paul,
I don’t disagree with any of that. Premium is great. It’s just that for me, it’s more of a luxury than a need. And I would have to think hard if I hadn’t been grandfathered in at this price.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt@...> wrote:


Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Paul Ohio USA
 

Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

As I think about it, a relatively inexpensive storage upgrade just for legacy basic groups might be a win-win - say, $10/month for 10GB?


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Virginia Butterfield
 

I like that idea.   I have a bunch of groups and cannot afford to foot the bill for multiple groups.  I also hayte to ask for donations.


Ginny Butterfield
Cranberry Twp, Pa




On 10/20/2020 9:25 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
Hi Mark,

There’s a number of people/groups already with Groups.io that continue to plead for something between $220/year and the free plan.  My groups can operate just fine within the limitations of the free plan indefinitely, BUT...if it were possible to subscribe JUST for more storage, whether 5 or 10GB, we would do it in heartbeat for, say, $3-4 mo.  

That would allow us greater latitude for posting/filing photos, documents, etc. that otherwise we have to arrange for outside of Groups.io and, to my knowledge Groups.io does not say how to get such storage to “ink” with our Group if such s possible.  

Present options of $0 or $200-220/year need SOMETHING in between.  An “upgrade” of STORAGE ONLY would be relatively simple to offer, and it would allow income from “free” groups.  

If such an option gets you more those kinds of groups, it’s STILL $36-$48 per year per group you’re not getting now from your “subscriber base”.  Couldn’t THAT be a “win-win” situation?

Best!

WRB

— 



On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of groups/users are most important. But that's not us. 

Thanks,
Mark


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