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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

Thanks, Ken. As a moderator, it would be delicious to tag certain messages that turned out to be really useful, worthy of saving and sharing to the group. Since you can use hashtags to act as aggregators of particular topics (not Topics), I would find it really useful to add a hashtag to content that already exists, rather than copying/pasting into files or the wiki.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

Yes, you can.


On Jan 16, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Christos G. Psarras <christos@...> wrote:


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On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under.

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Wait, regarding the "boolean" part, you can use boolean operators in the search box, or did I miss something??


Cheers,

Christos



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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 


>>>

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under.

<<<


Wait, regarding the "boolean" part, you can use boolean operators in the search box, or did I miss something??


Cheers,

Christos



moderated Re: problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

I am unable to reproduce this. Can you walk me through the steps off-list to reproduce this?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

James Dilworth
 

No doubt, different communities have different needs. 

A public mailing list in low trust, online topic would probably do better as it is now. Users want to remain anonymous unless they choose otherwise. 

But when groups.io supports a closed, high trust, face to face community.... such as a local football league, yacht club, or in our case swimming club, members want to be able to contact each other. What's the point of having a member directory if everyone has to jump through hoops to use it?

What I'm asking is to allow the admin to choose whether the member directory should include all members by default. Sure, it won't be for every community, but it'd certainly be great for ours. 

Thanks for your consideration! :)


moderated #featurerequest Adding user basic member 'flair' options #suggestion

bmakuck@...
 

Hey folks, wanted to know if there's any plans / interest in the ability to add "user flair" similar to sites like Reddit.com

I love Groups.io and one of my groups brings together alumni from several subgroups. It would be great to be able to assign some visual note for members based on things like graduation date, sub group membership, etc so that you can quickly identify information about a poster / commentor in a particular thread.

Anyways, keep up the great work!


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
she did walk that statement back.
To be clear, my original statement that it could never happen was a statement that hashtags, as they exist currently in groups.io, are logically impossible to attach to individual messages because they are inherently a function of topics. It was meant as a statement of logic, not as a statement of negativity or judgement. I think hashtags on messages would be eminently useful. 
 
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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 05:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Feed page<<<

BTW, I was one who initially saw no benefit to the  "feed" and thought it would be just another superfluous feature that might be delayed in order to concentrate on something more-needed (read, "search".)
BOY was I mistaken,  I LOVE the feed and use it exclusively.  And THANK YOU for that brain child.

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

Haha! 😊


On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

This part is me being serious:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Mark has asked the group to not get into what's possible/not possible to implement (his call to figure out) so ignore those type negative nay sayers.

I wish J had not said that the feature would never appear, and to her credit she did walk that statement back. I don't want people saying that, on my behalf or otherwise. It's also just not a useful thing to say. But also 'negative nay sayers' isn't useful either. 

Once more, with feeling: Let us please keep things positive and constructive here.


This part is me being absurd:

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under. 

I'm really glad you picked up on the Baroque stylings of our search. It was always my intention to use search as commentary on the tense and extravagant aspects of Silicon Valley in this part of the 21st century. My use of drop shadows on the search results page is a call-out to Caravaggio's use of chiaroscuro. Just wait until you see the new version of the Feed page, where I go for more of a Cubist approach. It's going to be completely incomprehensible!


Mark

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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

This part is me being serious:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Mark has asked the group to not get into what's possible/not possible to implement (his call to figure out) so ignore those type negative nay sayers.

I wish J had not said that the feature would never appear, and to her credit she did walk that statement back. I don't want people saying that, on my behalf or otherwise. It's also just not a useful thing to say. But also 'negative nay sayers' isn't useful either. 

Once more, with feeling: Let us please keep things positive and constructive here.


This part is me being absurd:

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under. 

I'm really glad you picked up on the Baroque stylings of our search. It was always my intention to use search as commentary on the tense and extravagant aspects of Silicon Valley in this part of the 21st century. My use of drop shadows on the search results page is a call-out to Caravaggio's use of chiaroscuro. Just wait until you see the new version of the Feed page, where I go for more of a Cubist approach. It's going to be completely incomprehensible!


Mark


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Gretchin

I believe that would be useful - I could see several instances where for whatever reason we would tag a post ('er, or is it "message" now?) differently than a Topic ('er, or is it "Subject", which the gio GUI confusingly uses interchangeably?)  
Are you thinking of being able to choose from the list of hashtags available for Topics?  Or a separate list of msg tags?

Mark has asked the group to not get into what's possible/not possible to implement (his call to figure out) so ignore those type negative nay sayers.
On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under. 

Hmmm, Y'ah know - thinking aloud here - there's nothing preventing a group from adopting a set of message tags and just entering one (or whatever) as the 1st line, or last line of the message.  If tagged with something very unique -- like ## as J said, or TAG-your_tag, or enclosed in  %your_tag% -- you could search and more easily retrieve messages.  I'm liking this.

-ken


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Michael Pavan
 

James,

On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, James Dilworth <@jaymz> wrote:

The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

• It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in.
I'm against Opt-Out
Opt-Out is user-unfriendly, and frankly just rude (to say the least).

BTW, Hashtags and excess verbiage added to Calendar reminders should also be Opt-In, so that we aren't forced to use awkward workarounds to undo them.


• The directory needs a search function.
Agreed.

Michael


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
You're never going to get hashtags on individual messages here.
Every time I say "never," I realize I should never say never. It's possible to implement a kind of hashtags that can be included within individual message bodies. But without passing judgment on it, I'd say it's in the "don't hold your breath" category.
 
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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Gretchin Lair wrote:
Other suggestions?
I would just use the search function. You're never going to get hashtags on individual messages here.
 
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moderated Re: problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

 

It will “fix things up” but should not be necessary. And if it freaks me out, it has to be freaking out naive users.


On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:40 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I think this is related to not automatically updating the browser page after certain changes, not just this one. If we are talking about the same thing, then a manual browser refresh will fix things up.
 
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moderated Re: problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:40 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

Thanks.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I think this is related to not automatically updating the browser page after certain changes, not just this one. If we are talking about the same thing, then a manual browser refresh will fix things up.
 
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Gerald


moderated problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

 

I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Duane
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:56 PM, James Dilworth wrote:
The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

  1. It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in
I'm extremely opposed to another opt-out situation.  There are enough of those in the world (that mostly don't work).  If anything, I'd suggest a group setting option for it, BUT the situation would need to made VERY clear to anyone considering joining such a group.

Duane


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

James Dilworth
 

+1 on this suggestion.

We have a club with almost 1000 members. One of the most common questions I hear is 'How do I get hold of so and so....' - People regularly post to our whole list just to seek an email for someone. We want our members to be able to learn about, and contact each other. 

The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

  1. It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in. Currently all users must edit their privacy settings to make it work. It's hard to ask the herd to go futz with their privacy settings just to even see the directory. As group owner, I'd like to be able to set the directory as open to all subscribers, and members can opt-out if they need too.

  2. The directory needs a search function. Currently, if there are 1000 members, you'd have to click through dozens of pages to get to Zena Doe or Zebbedee Wilkins. 


This suggestion seems to have surface several times over the past year, but it seems to have been shot down by others who did not fully understand the ask. Here's a few screenshots of the opt-in problem to illustrate.


A member directory is really a key piece of our requirements for a system. It seems like you have all the pieces in place, and just need to make a few changes to bring out the power of this functionality.

FWIW, I had hoped the members list might be a workaround. That includes search, but it is clearly designed as an admin view of subscription status. Making the list visible opens the raw emails of individuals, while providing no means for them to opt-out at all. This is ripe for abuse by some randy old man.

Recognize there's a lot going on with the app. But this would be a very valuable feature for us, and I'd like to think others too. Thanks for considering. 

J


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

I can link to an individual message, but then... where do I put it? Hashtags made excellent automatic collection buckets. Other suggestions?