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moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I would rather know that my change will never be implemented (for whatever reason; I'm not asking for and individual notification) than wonder.
Obviously I cannot speak for Mark but an earlier post from him suggested the use of hashtags by him to show progress / status, and why I hinted at #SorryButNo and #Done!.

Chris


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

Beth Weld
 

Whatever method is used, I think a concise list of changes that in line to be implemented would be extremely helpful.  We all ask for changes, but then we have no idea if the suggestion disappears into space or is actually under consideration for implementation. I would rather know that my change will never be implemented (for whatever reason; I'm not asking for and individual notification) than wonder.
Thanks
Beth Weld


moderated Column Width Problem

Chris Jones
 

Mark; I have / there is an issue with the column widths in the Member List, with insufficient space available for the email information.

By way of example I have just received a reply to a Pending Subscription message. On checking his Member List entry I noticed that he had still not responded to the Confirmation Request so I sent him an email asking him to do so, and sent a further request. (I have since found that gmail blocked the email, but that is not a Groups.io matter)

I then "Claimed" his application to reduce the risk of another moderator letting him in, and the Claimed status flag duly appeared. However, in doing so it made the NC flag disappear because of insufficient space. There is no means of "Unclaiming" the application to see if the NC flag is still present or not, and as far as I can see no other place where I can see if he has acted on the resend I initiated.

Is is possible that you can adjust the column widths used on the Members List to provide more space for the email address and status flags? "Delivery" and/or Applied" are far wider than they need to be.

And yes I have created a hashtag! (Sorry)

Chris.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 16/01/2020 05:48, Gretchin Lair wrote:

I'd love to see hashtags available for single messages within topics, not just whole topics. For instance, #bestof, #messageoftheweek, #archive, or the first message in a topic where the replies don’t matter. Provide a link to see the whole thread from that message.
Some here have said that this would be confusing because it would mean that hashtags would then be used in two different ways, but I don't think it would necessarily be confusing.

If I understand correctly, what you're basically asking for is that there should be special "search" links at the bottom of an e-mail in which a subject line hashtag was detected, so that users don't have to perform these searches manually.

I know, I know, on GIO, hashtags are used for **topic management**, but I don't see why they can't be also used for filtering or searching (i.e. "following").

So, what I would suggest, is this:

When a message is received by GIO, it checks that the message's subject line to see if there is anything resembling hashtags, and if so, creates links in the footer of the message.

See screenshot, assuming the message in question is in a topic where #suggestion, #request and #hashtag are topic hashtags but where that particular message also contain #goodidea and #fantastic. The "search" links link to a message search, e.g.

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/search?q=%23goodidea

(At this time, GIO can't specify searching within subject lines only, but I imagine it's coming, and when it happens, this search would obviously search only the subject lines.)

Samuel


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:45 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
I replied to your reply, with an alternate (and IMO better) way to tag a message
But Christos's suggestion actually created a hashtag on the individual message by creating a single-message new thread. Since your reply was a response to his and mentioned a "better" way, the impression was that you thought your method of editing an individual message would accomplish the same thing. I think we're now on the same page that it doesn't.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:41 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
you edit/add a tag to THE MESSAGE body,

Of course you can add tags to message bodies.  I, too, suggested simply using the search function as a workaround. I don't think that's the gist of the original request.  
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

 Christos,

I replied to your reply, with an alternate (and IMO better) way to tag a message.  One simple step instead of forwarding emails and 6 or steps or whatever it was.

Follow the same instructions I gave to J and you'll see the result.

Cheers,
-k


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 02:00 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

Ken, I'm trying to make sense of your message's context as related to you replying to my message I addressed to Gretchen, as that's how it appears, both in my inbox and online.  Just to make sure, was your message indeed a reply to my message to Gretchin, or did you press the wrong Reply link, or was it supposed to be in general reference and you just forgot to trim my message text??

Cheers,

Christos

On 2020-01-17 01:09, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
But again, she wants to tag an individual message, not modify the Topic (and thereby break the thread.)
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag (such as %bestoftheweek%) and Save w/o sending the edit back out to members?

The thread is preserved, and the desired tag is added w/ no fuss, no muss in basically one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:40 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, . . .


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 03:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don’t understand the relevance of that sailboat. My point is that you can’t edit a subject (title), including just to add a hashtag, by editing a message. You have to edit the topic. And that makes the new subject apply to the whole point. Because hashtags apply to subjects and subjects apply to topics. Not messages. 
 
I was hoping to lead you to discover that by trying to do it. But you posted a picture of a sailboat. I get seasick on sailboats. 😢\
Obviously, you did not follow instructions.

I said:  DO A SEARCH on the forum (not look at the home page photo)  :-)

AGAIN - 1,2,3
1. click on https://groups.io/g/Catalina30
2. Search the messages for %message_of_the_week%
3. You will see where I added a simple tag (i.e., " %message_of_the_week% " to an existing message.  (Obviously also, you can make up any tag that you want to.)
4. NO it does not modify the Topic, that's NOT what she wants (why would I then propose that?)

It's EZ-PZ to do and you do it in one simple step.  YOU DO NOT edit the topic (and end up breaking the thread,) you edit/add a tag to THE MESSAGE body, which is what she wanted to do.  Anyone can then do a search on that tag.

easy peazy, one step.

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

Typo - should read “apply to the whole topic”


On Jan 17, 2020, at 12:22 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I don’t understand the relevance of that sailboat. My point is that you can’t edit a subject (title), including just to add a hashtag, by editing a message. You have to edit the topic. And that makes the new subject apply to the whole point. Because hashtags apply to subjects and subjects apply to topics. Not messages. 

I was hoping to lead you to discover that by trying to do it. But you posted a picture of a sailboat. I get seasick on sailboats. 😢


On Jan 16, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

>>>Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.<<<


Do a search on this forum for the tag %message_of_the_week%
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30

easy peazy, one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

I don’t understand the relevance of that sailboat. My point is that you can’t edit a subject (title), including just to add a hashtag, by editing a message. You have to edit the topic. And that makes the new subject apply to the whole point. Because hashtags apply to subjects and subjects apply to topics. Not messages. 

I was hoping to lead you to discover that by trying to do it. But you posted a picture of a sailboat. I get seasick on sailboats. 😢


On Jan 16, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

>>>Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.<<<


Do a search on this forum for the tag %message_of_the_week%
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30

easy peazy, one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Ken, I'm trying to make sense of your message's context as related to you replying to my message I addressed to Gretchen, as that's how it appears, both in my inbox and online.  Just to make sure, was your message indeed a reply to my message to Gretchin, or did you press the wrong Reply link, or was it supposed to be in general reference and you just forgot to trim my message text??

Cheers,

Christos



On 2020-01-17 01:09, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
But again, she wants to tag an individual message, not modify the Topic (and thereby break the thread.)
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag (such as %bestoftheweek%) and Save w/o sending the edit back out to members?

The thread is preserved, and the desired tag is added w/ no fuss, no muss in basically one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:40 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, . . .


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.<<<


Do a search on this forum for the tag %message_of_the_week%
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30

easy peazy, one step.

-k


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Ken,


>>>  I searched the gio HELP page (which in itself has no search feature - hmmmmm) and didn't see anything 'bout boolean.

The GIO help page doesn't have a search box because its' a single web page, one can use Ctrl-F for that. 

It can use some updating though.


Here, no clue of when this took place:

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine


Cheers,

Christos



locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

But again, she wants to tag an individual message, not modify the Topic (and thereby break the thread.)
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag (such as %bestoftheweek%) and Save w/o sending the edit back out to members?

The thread is preserved, and the desired tag is added w/ no fuss, no muss in basically one step.

-k


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:40 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, it would be delicious to tag certain messages that turned out to be really useful, worthy of saving and sharing to the group. Since you can use hashtags to act as aggregators of particular topics (not Topics), I would find it really useful to add a hashtag to content that already exists, rather than copying/pasting into files or the wiki.
<<<

 
Now that I finally got what you want to do, in conjunction with J's suggestion, I do see the value, and the connection; you both want the same thing really, you on the group level, J on the user level.  Functionality like this can be useful in more than message browsing, could also be used in the Wiki as a single link to that message collection instead of lots of separate links.

In the meantime, there is a roundabout way to do what you want to accomplice, not the most elegant and not without just a bit of work, but it would work and allow you to to start the specific hashtag collections you want right now.  The catch is that it should be done though email for the least amount of work.

1. Find the email message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. Click on Forward.
3. Address it to the group.
4. Edit the subject and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek
5. Make sure the original Subject/Date/From/To/Date headers are shown in the message body, they should as most email apps do that.
6. Delete extraneous stuff like the original footers, antivirus SIGS, etc.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)

You could do something similar online only, but it would be a bit more editing work:

1. Find the message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. If you are in message view, copy the URL link; if you are in Topic view, look at the extreme right of the message next to the date and you'll see the message number and link icon, right-click on it and select Copy Link.
3. Right-click on "New Topic" at the left and open in a new tab, switch to it.
4. Paste the in the body, along with any other text you may want to add like "Original message:" or something; or nothing.
5. Copy and paste the subject, edit and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek.
6. Copy and paste the message body.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)
 
Yes, in either case the messages will appear as posted by you, that's why the forward or URL paste to give attribution to the original poster.

Cheers,
Christos



locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, it would be delicious to tag certain messages that turned out to be really useful, worthy of saving and sharing to the group. Since you can use hashtags to act as aggregators of particular topics (not Topics), I would find it really useful to add a hashtag to content that already exists, rather than copying/pasting into files or the wiki.
<<<

 
Now that I finally got what you want to do, in conjunction with J's suggestion, I do see the value, and the connection; you both want the same thing really, you on the group level, J on the user level.  Functionality like this can be useful in more than message browsing, could also be used in the Wiki as a single link to that message collection instead of lots of separate links.

In the meantime, there is a roundabout way to do what you want to accomplice, not the most elegant and not without just a bit of work, but it would work and allow you to to start the specific hashtag collections you want right now.  The catch is that it should be done though email for the least amount of work.

1. Find the email message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. Click on Forward.
3. Address it to the group.
4. Edit the subject and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek
5. Make sure the original Subject/Date/From/To/Date headers are shown in the message body, they should as most email apps do that.
6. Delete extraneous stuff like the original footers, antivirus SIGS, etc.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)

You could do something similar online only, but it would be a bit more editing work:

1. Find the message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. If you are in message view, copy the URL link; if you are in Topic view, look at the extreme right of the message next to the date and you'll see the message number and link icon, right-click on it and select Copy Link.
3. Right-click on "New Topic" at the left and open in a new tab, switch to it.
4. Paste the in the body, along with any other text you may want to add like "Original message:" or something; or nothing.
5. Copy and paste the subject, edit and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek.
6. Copy and paste the message body.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)
 
Yes, in either case the messages will appear as posted by you, that's why the forward or URL paste to give attribution to the original poster.

Cheers,
Christos



locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:17 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
a way for members to mark and/or save their favorite messages<<<

YahCHOO! at one time instituted function that you could mark a message and it would be saved to a location (almost as the gio draft folder works.)  It was handy as heck -- we find ourselves addressing the same type member question again and again and again, maybe several times a year to a few times a month.  It was handy to use it as a library of answers at your fingertips -- even as a library of links to old messages (that, of course, could be edited to suit the particular question or topic.  It was A LOT easier than saving and storing text somewhere and copying and pasting back into replies to questions from members.  Unfortunately (moot now) YahCHOO! discontinued the feature (soon after I had tagged several msgs to catalog in my "library.)

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 06:22 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

 

regarding the "boolean" part, you can use boolean operators in the search box, or did I miss something??

<<<
Christos,
Well, butter my butt and call me a muffin.  Did I as well miss something?  I SWEAR on my walnut brownie that I read (somewhere?) that was not the case.

Was the functionality of the search feature modified (read: improved) in the past year or so? 

I searched the gio HELP page (which in itself has no search feature - hmmmmm) and didn't see anything 'bout boolean.

One note about the Help page (maybe Mark will see this) - there's a handy "Back to top" link on the sidebar, but the sidebar doesn't float.  So, being static, the only time you see the "Back to top" link is when you are already at the top of the page. 
Additionally, the Help page might make specific reference to the GMF WIKI page, not only link to the forum.  New users wouldn't be likely to realize to check over on the Wiki for a help topic when they land on the GMF.  The GNF help Wiki is good (and growing.)

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

In response to your most recent message, I agree with you and I myself have suggested/requested implementation of a way for members to mark and/or save their favorite messages, whether that’s their Liked messages or a separate function. The suggestion is floating around here somewhere. :-)


On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Gretchin Lair <gretchin@...> wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, J_catlady. I read your initial response as a value judgment, too. But I'm glad to hear you think it would be useful, if not likely.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

Thanks for clarifying, J_catlady. I read your initial response as a value judgment, too. But I'm glad to hear you think it would be useful, if not likely.