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moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 04:58 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I was expecting such a feature should be the same as in the group where I made my first experience. :-)
That's a good point. The seeming inconsistency could be confusing to users. Perhaps the group's home page should specify whether or not editing posts is allowed.
 
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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

M K Ramadoss
 

Google has a history of dropping their products.
Let's be ready for a surprise.
GIO if on sound financial footing, is likely to last. My 0.02

MKR

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
I wouldn't assume that the same won't happen to Google groups
Or Groups.io for that matter.  The only constant in life is change.

Duane


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Peter Cook wrote:
I wouldn't assume that the same won't happen to Google groups
Or Groups.io for that matter.  The only constant in life is change.

Duane


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Andrea Grillini
 

Many thanks, Duane!

I feel more comfortable now. I just recently discovered yahoo groups service is discontinued and groups.io kind of took their place, but I may already say I do like the groups.io interface, especially when there I'm allowed to edit my messages after posting them. :-)

A.


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:04 PM, Duane wrote:
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 05:34 AM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I arrived at the URL below and I mistook that content for the answer to my question
Since you're not a group owner/mod, you should have been looking in the Members Manual, not the Owners Manual.  The Members Manual does mention that owner/mods can always edit messages, but the manual is written from a member viewpoint.  FYI, if there's something that you're not sure about, such as this, it would be better to ask questions on Group_Help or GMF rather than here on the beta group.  If it turns out to be a real bug, it can then be reported here.

Duane


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 07:43 AM, Sandi D wrote:
Google groups is a known service, it's stable and it's free
Just my $.02 - Years ago we all thought that about Yahoo groups. Google has ended or reduced support for services in the past, so I wouldn't assume that the same won't happen to Google groups.

Pete


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 05:34 AM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I arrived at the URL below and I mistook that content for the answer to my question
Since you're not a group owner/mod, you should have been looking in the Members Manual, not the Owners Manual.  The Members Manual does mention that owner/mods can always edit messages, but the manual is written from a member viewpoint.  FYI, if there's something that you're not sure about, such as this, it would be better to ask questions on Group_Help or GMF rather than here on the beta group.  If it turns out to be a real bug, it can then be reported here.

Duane


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Andrea Grillini
 

With my search, I couldn't get to the proper answer, since I arrived at the URL below and I mistook that content for the answer to my question.

https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-group-topics-and-messages/editing-the-content-of-messages-in-the

I may have been hasty, though I wonder if is there a way to effectively stop hasty people like me sooner, considering the editing subject is hot for any possible newcomer. I guess I discover I could edit afterward just tinkering with the commands available on the interface, and, since for the group I was in that command was available to users, I took it for granted.

However I apologize for the false alarm.

Thanks!


A.


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:07 AM, Duane wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 06:58 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
Now I'd rather ask to update the help document
This is already in the Members Manual, https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-group-messages/editing-your-own-messages-in-the-group

Duane


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • BUGFIX: In the /topic view, with infinite scroll, some messages would be displayed without the message footer.
  • BUGFIX: Trial premium groups weren't being downgraded to free after the trial was over.
  • SYSADMIN: Added two additional web servers to deal with increased load.
  • CHANGE: Changed what we consider a valid email address to make it more strict and to reject extended unicode characters.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Scroll bar add date and message number #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

For read more easly the archive


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 06:58 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
Now I'd rather ask to update the help document
This is already in the Members Manual, https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-group-messages/editing-your-own-messages-in-the-group

Duane


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Andrea Grillini
 

You gave me the clue to figure out what happened exactly.
As far as I can recall, the first group I joined here is Vintage Realistic Shortwave Receivers. I've just checked: there I can still edit my messages.
What probably happened is I was never allowed to edit my messages in other groups I joined afterward, but I was expecting such a feature should be the same as in the group where I made my first experience. :-)
I do understand your point about the risks of letting people edit their messages after they posted them.
I apologize for the choice #bug as a label, though I reckon at the moment I didn't have much of a choice.
Now I'd rather ask to update the help document to specify that editing posted messages is not something users can do anyway, and when they can't then that choice doesn't show up at all in the mentioned menu.

Thanks!


A.


On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 11:00 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Ah; I can now get a better view of the problem.

The ability of members to edit posts that have been "published" on a group's web UI and by email to the group's members can be disabled by an owner (or moderator) as one of a group's settings, and I can only conclude that that is what has happened in the group where this problem has arisen. When disabled, the Edit Message tab In the "More" hamburger is not available.

The facility of editing messages once they have been posted has its uses, but it must be used with considerable care because if a message is changed after others have responded to it, it may well be that those responses are to something that is changed in - perhaps even removed from - the original message. The result can then be that the thread of the messages ceases to make any sense at all.

Perhaps the owner / mloderators of a group where you can no longer edit messages once posted has decided that such editing is corrupting the "flow" of whatever the topic is and has thus decided to stop members being able to edit messages that have been sent.

It is not a fault of any sort, simply the change of a setting that has disabled members' ability to edit messages.

Chris


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

RCardona
 

My hobby group has zero income as well, but we passed the donation hat around and got about 15% of our membership to throw in a couple of bucks each.  They were thrilled to express their appreciation with small donations.  With one donation drive, we actually raised enough for 2 1/2 year of premium membership.  If a membership values the group, there will likely be sufficient donations to cover nominal costs, but leadership needs to make the effort to make something like that happen.  It really doesn't take that much effort to accomplish.  Nonprofits at G-Suite/Workspace may not pay membership costs, but someone is paying for the services and storage. . . whether its from ad space revenue or collections from other paying groups.  In the end, free services tend to go away. . . user beware.

My group really appreciated being able to save our 10+ year history at Yahoo Groups by transitioning to GIO and then utilizing the unique features provided here with GIO premium.  The capacity for storage organization is a HUGE plus for us.  But as you remarked, each group is unique with different needs.  I don't believe Mark is looking for number of groups, but those who want to support his work in building GIO up further.  He certainly provides developer access and input unlike anywhere else and has developed quite a loyal following because of it. 

RCardona

 

On 10/23/20 5:51 PM, Sandi D wrote:
A domain administered free Google Groups has a place in this discussion which billsf9c initiated by comparing the features of a free GIO group to other free groups and forums. I have free GIO groups which, as of now, are grandfathered in but I cannot direct add members.

You are absolutely correct that you get what you pay for. Not all of us have the budget for "the best". (I put GIO Premium in that category.) Some of us need to settle for what we can afford based on a comparison of services that offer the features we need. 


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Sandi D <sandi.asgtechie@...>
 

I have seen posts from other low revenue 501(3)c NPs that like ours cannot sustain the GIO fees being charged for the file storage needed and the ability to directly add and manage our members. 

I have been with Gmail since 2006 and to date, my privacy has not been invaded. I have enabled the privacy settings that I desire and to date they have "worked". In fact, I much prefer my Gmail accounts to every other email account I have created since 1989. I would hazard to guess I have tried out close to 50 of them, most no longer in business.

Google Workspace administers our domain email accounts at no cost to us. Our domain Google accounts do not receive spam. Our non published forum email address has never had even one outside inquiry. It has remained private. Our published forum email address has received spam and it's been caught every time by Google and not been delivered to our members. It is held in a que for me to approve or reject. 

In my opinion Google is not taking over the world. As you said, the anti trust suit is being filed. It may well be justified and result in them abiding by the terms of the judgement. That doesn't make them evil or good. It's simply a factor of how they will need to operate as a business. It's not like they are the first or the only company facing an anti trust action. 

A domain administered free Google Groups has a place in this discussion which billsf9c initiated by comparing the features of a free GIO group to other free groups and forums. I have free GIO groups which, as of now, are grandfathered in but I cannot direct add members.

You are absolutely correct that you get what you pay for. Not all of us have the budget for "the best". (I put GIO Premium in that category.) Some of us need to settle for what we can afford based on a comparison of services that offer the features we need. 

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moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 09:35 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I rembember at least once I succeeded in editing and I remeber knowing here I could edit a message afterwards was reliefing to me, since I'm often critical toward what I publish, and I'm sorry when I have to live with the mistakes or bad choices I published.
Ah; I can now get a better view of the problem.

The ability of members to edit posts that have been "published" on a group's web UI and by email to the group's members can be disabled by an owner (or moderator) as one of a group's settings, and I can only conclude that that is what has happened in the group where this problem has arisen. When disabled, the Edit Message tab In the "More" hamburger is not available.

The facility of editing messages once they have been posted has its uses, but it must be used with considerable care because if a message is changed after others have responded to it, it may well be that those responses are to something that is changed in - perhaps even removed from - the original message. The result can then be that the thread of the messages ceases to make any sense at all.

Perhaps the owner / mloderators of a group where you can no longer edit messages once posted has decided that such editing is corrupting the "flow" of whatever the topic is and has thus decided to stop members being able to edit messages that have been sent.

It is not a fault of any sort, simply the change of a setting that has disabled members' ability to edit messages.

Chris


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Andrea Grillini
 

Sorry, Chris.

I forgot to mention a practical case.
Though I expected I could edit the message and mend for that.
And, coherently, I couldn't. I attach a scrap with what action I can perform on the message.
I've never been group owner or a moderator here on groups.io, though I rembember at least once I succeeded in editing and I remeber knowing here I could edit a message afterwards was reliefing to me, since I'm often critical toward what I publish, and I'm sorry when I have to live with the mistakes or bad choices I published.

A.




On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 06:45 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 05:30 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I specify I already edited in recent times.
Can you possibly tell us what it is that you have not been able to edit?

Are you a group owner or moderator?

Chris


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

On 22 Oct 2020 at 19:56, Dave Wade wrote:

I am not a lawyer, but I think in the UK it would be a breach of
trademark...
Yes, Mark said the complaint he received was about breach of their UK
trademark.


moderated Re: Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 05:30 PM, Andrea Grillini wrote:
I specify I already edited in recent times.
Can you possibly tell us what it is that you have not been able to edit?

Are you a group owner or moderator?

Chris


moderated Cannot edit my messages anymore #bug

Andrea Grillini
 

I feel kind of shy in telling about this subject, both because I arrived on groups.io only recently - I still don't feel confident using the interface - and because I expect that might be a hot topic, possibly someone else might have asked and an answer has been given, though so far I could find just old messages where the editing functionality was still debated, and, as a matter of fact, the documentation cleary states I should be able to edit.

https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-group-topics-and-messages/editing-the-content-of-messages-in-the

I specify I already edited in recent times. I thought there might be some sort of time limit, this is not mentioned in the documentation I pointed to, though.

Thanks!

A.


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 04:43 AM, Sandi D wrote:
Google groups is a known service, it's stable and it's free.
I think you get what you pay for. There's a reason some of these services are "free." In google's case, I don't know the underlying mechanisms but google is trying to take over the world - witness the justified antitrust lawsuit against them - and your privacy is a total black box.

 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Sandi D <sandi.asgtechie@...>
 

I have had 2 Google groups (under a GSuite/non profit) since 2013. I can direct add and remove members. It's an excellent mailing list and offers expansive storage for our attachments to emails. One group is used for our Board of Directors and one is for collecting and distributing publishable news items as attachments. 

Their spam filter doesn't disappoint and the group is painless to manage. Users within our group have no need to create or maintain a password. I can add users by their cell phones and email addresses which need not end in @gmail or be associated with a Google account. 

The current free version of GIO would not tempt me to move from Goodle Groups because of storage limitations, the uncertainty of future GIO pricing tiers and loss of features. Google groups is a known service, it's stable and it's free. 

I agree heartily that Google Groups is not for everyone, nor will it serve the needs of most or many. But it does have a place for us as an educational non profit with minimal revenue where we need control over members in a forum. It works quite well nested within our domain managed GSuite/Google Works framework. 

It's far from perfect but it is free and for the above reasons, I would not advise it should never be considered.

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Sandi Dickenson
ASG Volunteers Group.

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