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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

James Dilworth
 

+1 on this suggestion.

We have a club with almost 1000 members. One of the most common questions I hear is 'How do I get hold of so and so....' - People regularly post to our whole list just to seek an email for someone. We want our members to be able to learn about, and contact each other. 

The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

  1. It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in. Currently all users must edit their privacy settings to make it work. It's hard to ask the herd to go futz with their privacy settings just to even see the directory. As group owner, I'd like to be able to set the directory as open to all subscribers, and members can opt-out if they need too.

  2. The directory needs a search function. Currently, if there are 1000 members, you'd have to click through dozens of pages to get to Zena Doe or Zebbedee Wilkins. 


This suggestion seems to have surface several times over the past year, but it seems to have been shot down by others who did not fully understand the ask. Here's a few screenshots of the opt-in problem to illustrate.


A member directory is really a key piece of our requirements for a system. It seems like you have all the pieces in place, and just need to make a few changes to bring out the power of this functionality.

FWIW, I had hoped the members list might be a workaround. That includes search, but it is clearly designed as an admin view of subscription status. Making the list visible opens the raw emails of individuals, while providing no means for them to opt-out at all. This is ripe for abuse by some randy old man.

Recognize there's a lot going on with the app. But this would be a very valuable feature for us, and I'd like to think others too. Thanks for considering. 

J


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

I can link to an individual message, but then... where do I put it? Hashtags made excellent automatic collection buckets. Other suggestions?


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:47 AM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

 

I think there are clear benefits to be had from changing the way Hashtags can be used on beta, perhaps to the point where every New Topic has to have at least one hashtag in its subject. However, I think there are major drawbacks to the way hashtags currently operate on beta, and I would suggest the following change.

 


Agreed. I'm using the new App subgroup as a kind of test run for how I might change beta. You can read the group charter for App here:


Should that group continue to run well, I'll go through and prune most of the hashtags from Beta and change its' moderation. I agree that fewer hashtags is better.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

 

Bug. It's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Search all wiki actions in Member Activity #suggestion

Bill Hazel
 

One thing I thought of after posting was our reaction when someone does something that is "against the rules".
Getting other people to participate is truly the biggest challenge any wiki creator faces, the problems listed in my prior post are secondary.

I have been promoting wikis for over 10 years and have NEVER had anyone do something intentionally malicious.
They've made mistakes, but that is what they were, mistakes, honest mistakes.

Do you want to discourage them? Make them angry? There is a REALLY easy way to accomplish this:
Delete their post.

However, if you want to encourage them to continue to contribute, just change their behavior, there is a much more productive way to do it.
Communicate privately with them and let them know what needs to be changed.
Ask them to make the necessary changes, explaining the reasons why.
Be kind about it.
Thank them for participating.

Usually a lot of thought and effort goes into creating a wikipage, 
Much more than most messages.

Respect their effort.

Bill


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

 

Same here. Was wondering. It's annoying this way.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
It's on "the next page"; click on the hashtag (in the hashtags list) and there it is
Yes, I do it that way now, but was wondering why it was moved.

Duane


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 05:25 PM, Duane wrote:
I could almost swear that at one time there was an Edit button on the Hashtags page for those that were allowed to edit them, next to the mute button.

It's on "the next page"; click on the hashtag (in the hashtags list) and there it is, subject to the individual moderator-specific permission Create or Modify Hashtags.

Chris


moderated editing hashtags #suggestion

Duane
 

I could almost swear that at one time there was an Edit button on the Hashtags page for those that were allowed to edit them, next to the mute button.  It would sure be handy to have this to save a couple of clicks when a hashtag needs editing, unless there's some reason it's not feasible.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 06:23 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please, let's limit this thread to only discussing the possibility of switching off Canny and using hashtags instead,

Mark; May I be so bold as to offer a few suggestions about this?

 

Insofar as any consensus has emerged it would appear to be for a single forum for the “development” of Groups.io. I can see why that in at least some circumstances you might wish or need to distinguish between Basic and Premium / Enterprise Owners but for the moment I am going to assume that you might be able to achieve this from the email addresses of the members of a Development Group; for the moment I will assume that this group will be beta in an ongoing form.

 

I think there are clear benefits to be had from changing the way Hashtags can be used on beta, perhaps to the point where every New Topic has to have at least one hashtag in its subject. However, I think there are major drawbacks to the way hashtags currently operate on beta, and I would suggest the following change.

 

Subscribers should only be able to Use Existing Hashtags. When I started putting this together 3 days ago there were 141 hashtags, which IMHO is simply silly. Now there are 146. Some are clearly near – duplicates of others; others have no obvious meaning and so on. (Some of the duplicates are the result of members misspelling something or using a plural where a singular already existed… or vice versa.) I submit that hashtags could and would be more effective if the list was drastically culled so that subscribers had a list of perhaps a couple of dozen to choose from; hashtags need only be high – level indicators of the subject area – they do not need to dig down into the weeds to pinpoint some precise area of Groups.io operation; if that were the case then every checkbox (etc) would need to have an associated hashtag that had to accompany a topic about it, and that would be absurd. If it were to be found that there was a clear omission from the list of hashtags then it would be the work of seconds to plug the gap, but users would not be able to do it. In addition, as you have already suggested there could be a number of Moderator Only “progress” hashtags that can be retrospectively added to a subject to show its status, ranging from perhaps #SorryButNo to #Done; I think this would be seriously beneficial.

 

I could continue with further suggestions the above is quite enough for now.

 

Chris


moderated Re: Adding a picture crashes the post #bug

 

Sorry posted here and should have been in the app group. So please disregard


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

And on third thought (caffeinated), it's not really possible, because titles are attached to topics, not messages, and hashtags are added to titles.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Creating posts gets funky #bug

 

Yup and compounded by using the app to post.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

I don't really see this happening, though, and I agree with Chris that with the number of users already confused now by hashtags, adding message-hashtag functionality would just make things worse.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

The problem with implementing the suggestion is that as hashtags are designed and work in groups.io, they operate on topics, not on individual messages. They are different from hashtags as used in other media. They act nontrivially on topics and do things you can't do to messages, such as limiting the duration of the topic, causing it to be locked or moderated, etc. etc. etc..

I could envision a different hashtag operator that would act on individual messages, rather than topics, but that would be a different operator and would probably require a different symbol (and probably name, just to avoid confusion). For example, you could use ## for the current "topic hashtags" and # for the "message hashtags", the kind requested here. It would be a very big change and probably infeasible from the standpoint of users already used to the current hashtags. Or maybe, the opposite: you could keep current hashtags the same (using #) and use ## for the new (message) hashtags.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 05:43 AM, Gretchin Lair wrote:
I'd love to see hashtags available for single messages within topics
IMHO that will make the use of hastags even messier than it sometimes is now.

Chris


moderated Re: Web/Online FOLLOW functionality enhancement #suggestion

 

Christos,

Enable the Follow/Unfollow functionality not just at the All Groups-
All Topics central hub, but also anytime one is in topic (or maybe
also message) view in any group; or at least enable it based on
whether someone has set a specific group's subscription to
Following-Only or not.
See also:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/33659
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/24550
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/16297253
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/28877779

Shal


locked Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

I'd love to see hashtags available for single messages within topics, not just whole topics. For instance, #bestof, #messageoftheweek, #archive, or the first message in a topic where the replies don’t matter. Provide a link to see the whole thread from that message. 


moderated Re: Creating posts gets funky #bug

Duane
 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 09:58 PM, William Ellis wrote:
I was creating a post and when it gets too long the text scrolls under the keyboard.
Looks like you skipped this part of the earlier message from Mark, " the app@beta.groups.io account.... All app discussion should happen in that subgroup."

Duane


moderated Re: Adding a picture crashes the post #bug

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:00 AM, William Ellis wrote:

If you select the picture icon to add a image to a posting, the post crashes and you are sent to the home screen.

William,

That is not normal. I cannot repeat that behavior. My initial suggestion would be to reboot your browser and see if the problem persists.

Are you saying that the crash happens just by clicking on the "Add Picture" icon?

Is this repeatable for you? If so, please give details including file size and type and the machine type (PC MAC, etc) and browser type and at what step the "crash" happens.

What do you mean by "home screen"?
 
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Gerald