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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 03:22 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I don’t understand the relevance of that sailboat. My point is that you can’t edit a subject (title), including just to add a hashtag, by editing a message. You have to edit the topic. And that makes the new subject apply to the whole point. Because hashtags apply to subjects and subjects apply to topics. Not messages. 
 
I was hoping to lead you to discover that by trying to do it. But you posted a picture of a sailboat. I get seasick on sailboats. 😢\
Obviously, you did not follow instructions.

I said:  DO A SEARCH on the forum (not look at the home page photo)  :-)

AGAIN - 1,2,3
1. click on https://groups.io/g/Catalina30
2. Search the messages for %message_of_the_week%
3. You will see where I added a simple tag (i.e., " %message_of_the_week% " to an existing message.  (Obviously also, you can make up any tag that you want to.)
4. NO it does not modify the Topic, that's NOT what she wants (why would I then propose that?)

It's EZ-PZ to do and you do it in one simple step.  YOU DO NOT edit the topic (and end up breaking the thread,) you edit/add a tag to THE MESSAGE body, which is what she wanted to do.  Anyone can then do a search on that tag.

easy peazy, one step.

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

Typo - should read “apply to the whole topic”


On Jan 17, 2020, at 12:22 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I don’t understand the relevance of that sailboat. My point is that you can’t edit a subject (title), including just to add a hashtag, by editing a message. You have to edit the topic. And that makes the new subject apply to the whole point. Because hashtags apply to subjects and subjects apply to topics. Not messages. 

I was hoping to lead you to discover that by trying to do it. But you posted a picture of a sailboat. I get seasick on sailboats. 😢


On Jan 16, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

>>>Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.<<<


Do a search on this forum for the tag %message_of_the_week%
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30

easy peazy, one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

I don’t understand the relevance of that sailboat. My point is that you can’t edit a subject (title), including just to add a hashtag, by editing a message. You have to edit the topic. And that makes the new subject apply to the whole point. Because hashtags apply to subjects and subjects apply to topics. Not messages. 

I was hoping to lead you to discover that by trying to do it. But you posted a picture of a sailboat. I get seasick on sailboats. 😢


On Jan 16, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber@...> wrote:

>>>Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.<<<


Do a search on this forum for the tag %message_of_the_week%
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30

easy peazy, one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Ken, I'm trying to make sense of your message's context as related to you replying to my message I addressed to Gretchen, as that's how it appears, both in my inbox and online.  Just to make sure, was your message indeed a reply to my message to Gretchin, or did you press the wrong Reply link, or was it supposed to be in general reference and you just forgot to trim my message text??

Cheers,

Christos



On 2020-01-17 01:09, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
But again, she wants to tag an individual message, not modify the Topic (and thereby break the thread.)
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag (such as %bestoftheweek%) and Save w/o sending the edit back out to members?

The thread is preserved, and the desired tag is added w/ no fuss, no muss in basically one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:40 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, . . .


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.<<<


Do a search on this forum for the tag %message_of_the_week%
https://groups.io/g/Catalina30

easy peazy, one step.

-k


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:21 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Ken,


>>>  I searched the gio HELP page (which in itself has no search feature - hmmmmm) and didn't see anything 'bout boolean.

The GIO help page doesn't have a search box because its' a single web page, one can use Ctrl-F for that. 

It can use some updating though.


Here, no clue of when this took place:

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine


Cheers,

Christos



locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag
Go ahead and try that and please report back. I'm curious what you find.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

But again, she wants to tag an individual message, not modify the Topic (and thereby break the thread.)
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag (such as %bestoftheweek%) and Save w/o sending the edit back out to members?

The thread is preserved, and the desired tag is added w/ no fuss, no muss in basically one step.

-k


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:40 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, it would be delicious to tag certain messages that turned out to be really useful, worthy of saving and sharing to the group. Since you can use hashtags to act as aggregators of particular topics (not Topics), I would find it really useful to add a hashtag to content that already exists, rather than copying/pasting into files or the wiki.
<<<

 
Now that I finally got what you want to do, in conjunction with J's suggestion, I do see the value, and the connection; you both want the same thing really, you on the group level, J on the user level.  Functionality like this can be useful in more than message browsing, could also be used in the Wiki as a single link to that message collection instead of lots of separate links.

In the meantime, there is a roundabout way to do what you want to accomplice, not the most elegant and not without just a bit of work, but it would work and allow you to to start the specific hashtag collections you want right now.  The catch is that it should be done though email for the least amount of work.

1. Find the email message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. Click on Forward.
3. Address it to the group.
4. Edit the subject and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek
5. Make sure the original Subject/Date/From/To/Date headers are shown in the message body, they should as most email apps do that.
6. Delete extraneous stuff like the original footers, antivirus SIGS, etc.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)

You could do something similar online only, but it would be a bit more editing work:

1. Find the message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. If you are in message view, copy the URL link; if you are in Topic view, look at the extreme right of the message next to the date and you'll see the message number and link icon, right-click on it and select Copy Link.
3. Right-click on "New Topic" at the left and open in a new tab, switch to it.
4. Paste the in the body, along with any other text you may want to add like "Original message:" or something; or nothing.
5. Copy and paste the subject, edit and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek.
6. Copy and paste the message body.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)
 
Yes, in either case the messages will appear as posted by you, that's why the forward or URL paste to give attribution to the original poster.

Cheers,
Christos



locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 

Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, it would be delicious to tag certain messages that turned out to be really useful, worthy of saving and sharing to the group. Since you can use hashtags to act as aggregators of particular topics (not Topics), I would find it really useful to add a hashtag to content that already exists, rather than copying/pasting into files or the wiki.
<<<

 
Now that I finally got what you want to do, in conjunction with J's suggestion, I do see the value, and the connection; you both want the same thing really, you on the group level, J on the user level.  Functionality like this can be useful in more than message browsing, could also be used in the Wiki as a single link to that message collection instead of lots of separate links.

In the meantime, there is a roundabout way to do what you want to accomplice, not the most elegant and not without just a bit of work, but it would work and allow you to to start the specific hashtag collections you want right now.  The catch is that it should be done though email for the least amount of work.

1. Find the email message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. Click on Forward.
3. Address it to the group.
4. Edit the subject and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek
5. Make sure the original Subject/Date/From/To/Date headers are shown in the message body, they should as most email apps do that.
6. Delete extraneous stuff like the original footers, antivirus SIGS, etc.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)

You could do something similar online only, but it would be a bit more editing work:

1. Find the message you want to tag as #bestoftheweek for example.
2. If you are in message view, copy the URL link; if you are in Topic view, look at the extreme right of the message next to the date and you'll see the message number and link icon, right-click on it and select Copy Link.
3. Right-click on "New Topic" at the left and open in a new tab, switch to it.
4. Paste the in the body, along with any other text you may want to add like "Original message:" or something; or nothing.
5. Copy and paste the subject, edit and remove any other hashtag and add #bestoftheweek.
6. Copy and paste the message body.
7. Send to the group. (starts a new Topic and adds it self to the hashtag collection)
 
Yes, in either case the messages will appear as posted by you, that's why the forward or URL paste to give attribution to the original poster.

Cheers,
Christos



locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:17 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
a way for members to mark and/or save their favorite messages<<<

YahCHOO! at one time instituted function that you could mark a message and it would be saved to a location (almost as the gio draft folder works.)  It was handy as heck -- we find ourselves addressing the same type member question again and again and again, maybe several times a year to a few times a month.  It was handy to use it as a library of answers at your fingertips -- even as a library of links to old messages (that, of course, could be edited to suit the particular question or topic.  It was A LOT easier than saving and storing text somewhere and copying and pasting back into replies to questions from members.  Unfortunately (moot now) YahCHOO! discontinued the feature (soon after I had tagged several msgs to catalog in my "library.)

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 06:22 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

 

regarding the "boolean" part, you can use boolean operators in the search box, or did I miss something??

<<<
Christos,
Well, butter my butt and call me a muffin.  Did I as well miss something?  I SWEAR on my walnut brownie that I read (somewhere?) that was not the case.

Was the functionality of the search feature modified (read: improved) in the past year or so? 

I searched the gio HELP page (which in itself has no search feature - hmmmmm) and didn't see anything 'bout boolean.

One note about the Help page (maybe Mark will see this) - there's a handy "Back to top" link on the sidebar, but the sidebar doesn't float.  So, being static, the only time you see the "Back to top" link is when you are already at the top of the page. 
Additionally, the Help page might make specific reference to the GMF WIKI page, not only link to the forum.  New users wouldn't be likely to realize to check over on the Wiki for a help topic when they land on the GMF.  The GNF help Wiki is good (and growing.)

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

In response to your most recent message, I agree with you and I myself have suggested/requested implementation of a way for members to mark and/or save their favorite messages, whether that’s their Liked messages or a separate function. The suggestion is floating around here somewhere. :-)


On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Gretchin Lair <gretchin@...> wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, J_catlady. I read your initial response as a value judgment, too. But I'm glad to hear you think it would be useful, if not likely.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

Thanks for clarifying, J_catlady. I read your initial response as a value judgment, too. But I'm glad to hear you think it would be useful, if not likely.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

Thanks, Ken. As a moderator, it would be delicious to tag certain messages that turned out to be really useful, worthy of saving and sharing to the group. Since you can use hashtags to act as aggregators of particular topics (not Topics), I would find it really useful to add a hashtag to content that already exists, rather than copying/pasting into files or the wiki.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

Yes, you can.


On Jan 16, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Christos G. Psarras <christos@...> wrote:


>>>

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under.

<<<


Wait, regarding the "boolean" part, you can use boolean operators in the search box, or did I miss something??


Cheers,

Christos



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Christos G. Psarras
 


>>>

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under.

<<<


Wait, regarding the "boolean" part, you can use boolean operators in the search box, or did I miss something??


Cheers,

Christos



moderated Re: problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:40 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

I am unable to reproduce this. Can you walk me through the steps off-list to reproduce this?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

James Dilworth
 

No doubt, different communities have different needs. 

A public mailing list in low trust, online topic would probably do better as it is now. Users want to remain anonymous unless they choose otherwise. 

But when groups.io supports a closed, high trust, face to face community.... such as a local football league, yacht club, or in our case swimming club, members want to be able to contact each other. What's the point of having a member directory if everyone has to jump through hoops to use it?

What I'm asking is to allow the admin to choose whether the member directory should include all members by default. Sure, it won't be for every community, but it'd certainly be great for ours. 

Thanks for your consideration! :)


moderated #featurerequest Adding user basic member 'flair' options #suggestion

bmakuck@...
 

Hey folks, wanted to know if there's any plans / interest in the ability to add "user flair" similar to sites like Reddit.com

I love Groups.io and one of my groups brings together alumni from several subgroups. It would be great to be able to assign some visual note for members based on things like graduation date, sub group membership, etc so that you can quickly identify information about a poster / commentor in a particular thread.

Anyways, keep up the great work!


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
she did walk that statement back.
To be clear, my original statement that it could never happen was a statement that hashtags, as they exist currently in groups.io, are logically impossible to attach to individual messages because they are inherently a function of topics. It was meant as a statement of logic, not as a statement of negativity or judgement. I think hashtags on messages would be eminently useful. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu