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moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Bill Hazel
 

I agree that a member search function is needed.

As far as the opt in/opt out debate, I would think that would be a group's decision.

The way I would handle it is to make the Owner/Administrator choose between an empty radio button choice. (No default selected)
If no choice was made, when saving the settings, the default would be opt out.
The reason I say empty would, I think, subconsciously make the Owner/Administrator at least think about it.

Each choice should be adequately defined since not everyone is a nerd.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 02:17 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
NO, C's method does not create a tag on the individual message.  And the 1st line above doesn't make logical sense anyway.  One cannot tag an individual message by creating a new message. 
If effectively does this by creating a new thread out of the single message, as I explicitly said.
. <<<

As I've lamented before - left coast reasoning.  LOL.   G explicitly stated (and I believe that J and C are missing that point) -- NOT add a tag to a Topic.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:20 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
no one cannot currently add a tag to a msg body.
Of course not, which is the point I've been trying to make from square one. You are adding special symbols to imitate or effectively create a tag. I'm giving you kudos for the creativity. Don't put it down.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 03:57 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Of course you can add tags to message bodies<<<

PS - no one cannot currently add a tag to a msg body.  One can add or edit some text into it that could later be searched on, but that is not adding a hashtag from a defined set, using a function (pull down, or radio button, or whatever feature/function would be added to gio to accomplish this.)  By that reasoning, one does not need any gio function that adds hashtags to a Topic, one could always instead add some text string that could be searched on later. 


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
NO, C's method does not create a tag on the individual message.  And the 1st line above doesn't make logical sense anyway.  One cannot tag an individual message by creating a new message. 
If effectively does this by creating a new thread out of the single message, as I explicitly said.
Your method of inserting special symbols into an individual message may be useful but I think falls short of Susan's original request. That's for her to say. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 04:19 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
But Christos's suggestion actually created a hashtag on the individual message by creating a single-message new thread. Since your reply was a response to his and mentioned a "better" way, the impression was that you thought your method of editing an individual message would accomplish the same thing. I think we're now on the same page that it doesn't.<<<

NO, C's method does not create a tag on the individual message.  And the 1st line above doesn't make logical sense anyway.  One cannot tag an individual message by creating a new message.  That is creating a whole new message/thread/topic. 
Anyone can do that with no change to the system that currently exists. It's called copy/paste/send.  That (IMO) defeats the purpose of tagging a single message within an existing thread, which is (IMO) what G had requested.  I don't comprehend why folks try to find workarounds to suggestions/requests that don't meet the desire of the original request/suggestion. It's an ailment of this group. It occurs continually and it's so dang flustrating that I have simply turned off notifications   It makes my head explode.  It's like "I don't see merit in the request/suggestion. so I'll suggest something else that shows why it doesn't need to be implemented."  I'm not saying that's the intent -- but that's how it oftentimes comes across, intended or not.


>>>and mentioned a "better" way, the impression was that you thought your method of editing an individual message would accomplish the same thing.<<<

The "better way" referred to, was a better workaround to accomplish what G requested (since C's steps do not accomplish what she requested.)
I will leave it to G to tell me that I'm misinterpreting her request/suggestion, but note her topic was to 'tag a single message,' not 'start a new thread w/ a tag on it'.

>>>Of course you can add tags to message bodies.  I, too, suggested simply using the search function as a workaround. I don't think that's the gist of the original request. <<<
1) One does not need to gist or reinterpret anything.  Just reference G's messages.  "add a hashtag to content that already exists".  No magic here - She simply wants a way to add tags that can be associated with Indv messages and presumably if implemented, it would display in a box not on a NEW message, but on the original indiv message (the tag being chosen from a mod-created set of tags.)  Where?  Who cares - displayed underneath the topic?  In the body?  In a footer? other options?  No, she did not request specifically to embed the tag as the 1st line of the message body (but that is certainly one option.)  I am suggesting a temporary method for G to accomplish what she desires during the interim (or maybe it will need to be the permanent way if not implemented.).
2) No she cannot "simply" search.  How would you currently search this group to locate all the first messages of each thread, without embedding something into each first message?

If G wanted to start a new identical topic except w/ a tag added, with one message in it, I am sure she understands she could do that, but that's not what she asked for.  Y'all are not addressing her desire - to wit: "add a hashtag to content that already existsnot, start a new message/thread (because that will not modify the existing content -- it posts new content and a new topic, which then the tagged message is outside the original thread and then the sequence and everything else gets discombobulated. 

Some examples G cited were:
"#bestof" (presumably marking something like the best answer to the question raised in this thread)
"the first message in a topic"  (presumably being able to search for all the initial posts that occurred over any range of messages and/or topics.)   
Unless the original message stays intact/within the thread, there is little benefit to another method (like adding hashtagging a different/new one, albeit exact copy of the message body.)


moderated Re: wording of the confirmation-request

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 09:33 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
What to do if you didn't want this (eg - ignore)
That's already there.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: wording of the confirmation-request

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
On 17/01/2020 15:35, J_Catlady wrote:

I have mentioned here a couple of times that I think another aspect of
the confirmation request wording is misleading. namely, the word
"complete."
Aah, yes. So...

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Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group
"WHATEVER". Please reply to this e-mail to confirm your
e-mail address.
------------------------------------------------------

Samuel
Perhaps there should also be two other pieces of info:

1. Timeout: Specify how long before this expires
2. Not you: What to do if you didn't want this (eg - ignore)
 
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Gerald


moderated Re: wording of the confirmation-request

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 17/01/2020 15:35, J_Catlady wrote:

I have mentioned here a couple of times that I think another aspect of the confirmation request wording is misleading. namely, the word "complete."
Aah, yes. So...

------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group
"WHATEVER". Please reply to this e-mail to confirm your
e-mail address.
------------------------------------------------------

Samuel


moderated Re: wording of the confirmation-request

 

I have mentioned here a couple of times that I think another aspect of the confirmation request wording is misleading. namely, the word "complete." The email directs the person to reply in order to "complete" their membership ("To complete your subscription, please reply to this email.") I feel the word "complete" may lead pending members of a restricted group to mistakenly think that replying to the confirmation email is a sufficient condition to complete their membership, whereas it is actually only a necessary one and they still need to return our questionnaire. We get a lot of members who need to be contacted offlist about the questionnaire, or be resent it several times, even after they've affirmatively confirmed. I think the word "complete" is too strong and the sentence should be replaced with something like "To confirm your interest in joining this group" or "To confirm that you have requested this subscription." Something like that.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: wording of the confirmation-request

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 17/01/2020 15:12, ro-esp wrote:

I'm talking about joining over email.
In GMF someone complained that people don't hit reply but send a message to GROUPNAME@groups.io.
My suggestion is to replace the "please reply to this email" with "please reply to this message".
FWIW, the thread in question is:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/69689947

==

My suggestion is to change this:

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Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group
GROUPNAME@groups.io. To complete your subscription,
please reply to this email.
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to this:

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Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group
http://GROUPNAME.groups.io. To complete your subscription,
please reply to this email.
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or to this:

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Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group
"ACTUAL NAME OF THE GROUP". To complete your subscription,
please reply to this email.
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Samuel


moderated wording of the confirmation-request

ro-esp
 

I'm talking about joining over email.

In GMF someone complained that people don't hit reply but send a message to GROUPNAME@groups.io

My suggestion is to replace the "please reply to this email" with "please reply to this message"


unless someone comes with an even better suggestion :-)

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated RFE: Add "claimed" count next to pending count #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello

I like the fact that I can see how many pending actions there are in my groups, as a number next to "Your Groups", because seeing this number prompts me to take action.

Unfortunately, if I have already dealt with the issue in a way that doesn't affect its pending status YET, it still shows that number. I'm referring specifically now to when a moderator "claims" a pending request.

So, I suggest that when a pending action has been claimed but not resolved yet, then it should show an extra count that shows the number of claimed-but-not-resolved pending actions.

See screenshot attache.

I don't really care whether the "pending" count includes or excludes the "claimed" count.

Samuel


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I would rather know that my change will never be implemented (for whatever reason; I'm not asking for and individual notification) than wonder.
Obviously I cannot speak for Mark but an earlier post from him suggested the use of hashtags by him to show progress / status, and why I hinted at #SorryButNo and #Done!.

Chris


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

Beth Weld
 

Whatever method is used, I think a concise list of changes that in line to be implemented would be extremely helpful.  We all ask for changes, but then we have no idea if the suggestion disappears into space or is actually under consideration for implementation. I would rather know that my change will never be implemented (for whatever reason; I'm not asking for and individual notification) than wonder.
Thanks
Beth Weld


moderated Column Width Problem

Chris Jones
 

Mark; I have / there is an issue with the column widths in the Member List, with insufficient space available for the email information.

By way of example I have just received a reply to a Pending Subscription message. On checking his Member List entry I noticed that he had still not responded to the Confirmation Request so I sent him an email asking him to do so, and sent a further request. (I have since found that gmail blocked the email, but that is not a Groups.io matter)

I then "Claimed" his application to reduce the risk of another moderator letting him in, and the Claimed status flag duly appeared. However, in doing so it made the NC flag disappear because of insufficient space. There is no means of "Unclaiming" the application to see if the NC flag is still present or not, and as far as I can see no other place where I can see if he has acted on the resend I initiated.

Is is possible that you can adjust the column widths used on the Members List to provide more space for the email address and status flags? "Delivery" and/or Applied" are far wider than they need to be.

And yes I have created a hashtag! (Sorry)

Chris.


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 16/01/2020 05:48, Gretchin Lair wrote:

I'd love to see hashtags available for single messages within topics, not just whole topics. For instance, #bestof, #messageoftheweek, #archive, or the first message in a topic where the replies don’t matter. Provide a link to see the whole thread from that message.
Some here have said that this would be confusing because it would mean that hashtags would then be used in two different ways, but I don't think it would necessarily be confusing.

If I understand correctly, what you're basically asking for is that there should be special "search" links at the bottom of an e-mail in which a subject line hashtag was detected, so that users don't have to perform these searches manually.

I know, I know, on GIO, hashtags are used for **topic management**, but I don't see why they can't be also used for filtering or searching (i.e. "following").

So, what I would suggest, is this:

When a message is received by GIO, it checks that the message's subject line to see if there is anything resembling hashtags, and if so, creates links in the footer of the message.

See screenshot, assuming the message in question is in a topic where #suggestion, #request and #hashtag are topic hashtags but where that particular message also contain #goodidea and #fantastic. The "search" links link to a message search, e.g.

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/search?q=%23goodidea

(At this time, GIO can't specify searching within subject lines only, but I imagine it's coming, and when it happens, this search would obviously search only the subject lines.)

Samuel


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:45 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
I replied to your reply, with an alternate (and IMO better) way to tag a message
But Christos's suggestion actually created a hashtag on the individual message by creating a single-message new thread. Since your reply was a response to his and mentioned a "better" way, the impression was that you thought your method of editing an individual message would accomplish the same thing. I think we're now on the same page that it doesn't.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:41 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
you edit/add a tag to THE MESSAGE body,

Of course you can add tags to message bodies.  I, too, suggested simply using the search function as a workaround. I don't think that's the gist of the original request.  
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

 Christos,

I replied to your reply, with an alternate (and IMO better) way to tag a message.  One simple step instead of forwarding emails and 6 or steps or whatever it was.

Follow the same instructions I gave to J and you'll see the result.

Cheers,
-k


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 02:00 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

Ken, I'm trying to make sense of your message's context as related to you replying to my message I addressed to Gretchen, as that's how it appears, both in my inbox and online.  Just to make sure, was your message indeed a reply to my message to Gretchin, or did you press the wrong Reply link, or was it supposed to be in general reference and you just forgot to trim my message text??

Cheers,

Christos

On 2020-01-17 01:09, Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io wrote:
But again, she wants to tag an individual message, not modify the Topic (and thereby break the thread.)
Wouldn't it be "better" to simply open the desired message on the web GUI, edit it, add a tag (such as %bestoftheweek%) and Save w/o sending the edit back out to members?

The thread is preserved, and the desired tag is added w/ no fuss, no muss in basically one step.

-k

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:40 AM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:
Gretchin,

>>>
As a moderator, . . .