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moderated Re: database embedding options #suggestion

Benoît Dumeaux
 

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/6749


moderated Re: Add a "select all" checkbox to Export Group Data screen #suggestion

Gene
 

Great suggestion.
Gene J


On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 3:29 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Having to tick each box every time I want to back up my group is kinda tedious. Clearing them one by one after being checked is also.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Add a "select all" checkbox to Export Group Data screen #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Having to tick each box every time I want to back up my group is kinda tedious. Clearing them one by one after being checked is also.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Plan Comparison page needs minor updates #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Not really a bug, but I don't know what else to call it.

The page at https://groups.io/static/compare shows that Photos and Files are limited to 100MB on the Basic plan. Since neither feature is actually available for new Basic groups, it seems to me these entries should be removed.

Also, Polls are available for Premium and above, but are no longer available in Basic. I suggest changing the "Chat" row header to "Polls and Chat." 

FYI,
Bruce


moderated Default time fields in database #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

I've created a database with two time fields that are optional. However, if a member enters a row and does nothing with those fields, they are automatically filled in with 10:30am. So the member has to take an extra step to delete the contents of those fields if he or she doesn't want them filled in. It's an extra step and unfortunately not everyone realizes they need to do it. 

Could you have time fields (and there may be others of the same ilk) default to blank?

Thanks!
{Pete


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

Messsges crossing. This is great info! Thanks!!!


On Oct 30, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Herb Gellis <herbg@...> wrote:

Me again... I upgraded to Thunderbird 78.4.0 (32-bit) and now clicking on those Reply to Group (or also Sender) links did nada! So, clearly this new release has broken something.

-Herb Gellis

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

So it’s working in that version. Interesting data point. Curious to see what happens when you “update.” 😊 Let us know!


On Oct 30, 2020, at 10:00 AM, Herb Gellis <herbg@...> wrote:

 Not wishing the swell the ranks of replies, but as a test (since I use Thunderbird on Windows), I clicked the link on this from the beta digest I receive. I have version 68.12.1 (32-bit). It says I can update to that 78.4.0, which I will momentarily.

-Herb Gellis

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

Herb Gellis
 

Me again... I upgraded to Thunderbird 78.4.0 (32-bit) and now clicking on those Reply to Group (or also Sender) links did nada! So, clearly this new release has broken something.

-Herb Gellis


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

Herb Gellis
 

Not wishing the swell the ranks of replies, but as a test (since I use Thunderbird on Windows), I clicked the link on this from the beta digest I receive. I have version 68.12.1 (32-bit). It says I can update to that 78.4.0, which I will momentarily.

-Herb Gellis


moderated #suggestion Internationalisation in french ? #suggestion

Axel
 

Hi,
I manage some groups at Yahoogroups but we need to find another plateform to host our mailing list. We need to find something with a french interface (some member are quit old and don't speak english).
Of course, we could translate the string into french.

Thank you,
Regards,

Axel Rousseau


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

I'm happy to terminate the thread (was happy to terminate it long ago) but that's up to Mark.
The group member is a savvy internet user and frequently logs in to post to the group. She just wants to use the digest, for some unknown reason.
Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

West Coast Compañeros Staff
 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 03:45 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
BTW I never knew anything about TB before this, but when I looked it up I found that Mozilla no longer owns it. Or something. You probably know more about this than I do.
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J
J,

You're right either way. Thunderbird now belongs to a wholly-owned subsidiary of Mozilla. I'm somewhat surprised that Groups.io members who use Thunderbird, e.g. Shal, haven't run into this problem before. Maybe, like me, they rarely if ever use the digest footer links to "Reply to Group" or "Reply to Sender." I usually reply to individual messages using e-mail and use the Groups.io web interface to reply to a digest message..

I'm more and more persuaded that this is a Thunderbird bug and not a Groups.io bug. Apple's Mail program encodes the footer "Reply to" links properly with ASCII codes. For example, spaces in the mailto: Subject line are replaced by %20. Thunderbird does not encode the links in the mailto: Subject line at all. Spaces are spaces. Since its likely that this bug comes from Thunderbird and not Groups.io, we should terminate this thread in beta.

The best workaround for your member trying to reply to a single message in a digest is for her to use the "View/Reply Online" link in the message footer. You may have to help her learn to log in to Groups.io and then point out the web interface buttons "Reply to Group" and "Private" to reply to the sender.

Robert R.


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 08:03 AM, West Coast Compañeros Staff wrote:
I can't find any mention of this bug on Mozilla's support site for Thunderbird, but the site is a pretty confusing maze.
BTW I never knew anything about TB before this, but when I looked it up I found that Mozilla no longer owns it. Or something. You probably know more about this than I do.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

"TB for Windows 78.4.0 (64-bit)"
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

Asking her now. Thanks.


On Oct 29, 2020, at 8:03 AM, West Coast Compañeros Staff <westcoastcompaneros@...> wrote:

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:32 AM, West Coast Compañeros Staff wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 04:47 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The situation is that she's trying to reply to an individual message via email within a digest, and this is what she says happens: 
"When I click on Reply to Group on the message it opens a completely blank new tab in my email program (Thunderbird) (not even send etc. fields) and I can't use it to respond. Any idea what's going on? I used to be able to respond directly from the messages or digests in Yahoo and I'm pretty sure I've done so in io also, but for a while now this is how it's behaved."
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J
J,

I can reproduce this error using the current release of Thunderbird for Macintosh, version 78.4.0. It happens whenever I try to reply to a message using the footer links (either Reply to Group or Reply to Sender), whether it is an individual message or in a digest. A new tab opens in Thunderbird with the title "Loading..." and nothing further happens. (See attached screenshot.) If this is not the case in Thunderbird for Windows, it would point to a bug in Thunderbird for Mac. If it also occurs in Thunderbird for Windows then I would be surprised that it has not been reported before now. In that case it could be a general Thunderbird bug or it could be due to the way Groups.io formulates the footer reply links.

The workarounds for an individual message is 1) to use the Thunderbird interface to reply to the group (or to the sender, if the individual's email address is known). or 2) to make the reply using the Groups.io web interface. The only way to reply to a message In a digest is to use the Groups.io web interface.

Robert R.
J,

Can you ask the member with the footer-link "Reply to Group" problem whether she is using Thunderbird for Windows or Thunderbird for Macintosh? A version number would also be useful. This bug is definitely occurring in the interaction between Thunderbird and Groups.io, and it will help to determine the source of the error if we know whether it also affects Windows users or is restricted to Mac users. So far I can't find any mention of this bug on Mozilla's support site for Thunderbird, but the site is a pretty confusing maze.

Robert R.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

West Coast Compañeros Staff
 

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:32 AM, West Coast Compañeros Staff wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 04:47 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The situation is that she's trying to reply to an individual message via email within a digest, and this is what she says happens: 
"When I click on Reply to Group on the message it opens a completely blank new tab in my email program (Thunderbird) (not even send etc. fields) and I can't use it to respond. Any idea what's going on? I used to be able to respond directly from the messages or digests in Yahoo and I'm pretty sure I've done so in io also, but for a while now this is how it's behaved."
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J
J,

I can reproduce this error using the current release of Thunderbird for Macintosh, version 78.4.0. It happens whenever I try to reply to a message using the footer links (either Reply to Group or Reply to Sender), whether it is an individual message or in a digest. A new tab opens in Thunderbird with the title "Loading..." and nothing further happens. (See attached screenshot.) If this is not the case in Thunderbird for Windows, it would point to a bug in Thunderbird for Mac. If it also occurs in Thunderbird for Windows then I would be surprised that it has not been reported before now. In that case it could be a general Thunderbird bug or it could be due to the way Groups.io formulates the footer reply links.

The workarounds for an individual message is 1) to use the Thunderbird interface to reply to the group (or to the sender, if the individual's email address is known). or 2) to make the reply using the Groups.io web interface. The only way to reply to a message In a digest is to use the Groups.io web interface.

Robert R.
J,

Can you ask the member with the footer-link "Reply to Group" problem whether she is using Thunderbird for Windows or Thunderbird for Macintosh? A version number would also be useful. This bug is definitely occurring in the interaction between Thunderbird and Groups.io, and it will help to determine the source of the error if we know whether it also affects Windows users or is restricted to Mac users. So far I can't find any mention of this bug on Mozilla's support site for Thunderbird, but the site is a pretty confusing maze.

Robert R.


moderated Re: Blacklisting - using multiple IP addresses? #suggestion

 

Mark,

If I had to guess, it's people direct adding email addresses that had
been bouncing on Y! Groups for many years now. I don't know how to
prevent that behavior.
Nor do the people involved.

It /was/ possible to download the Bouncing list, before last year's October surprise. It hasn't been available since then. But even before then the need to subtract that list from the Manage Members list would not have been obvious to all, and a way to do it (other than manually) would have been known to fewer. And then there's Yahoo's false-negatives, which got by the Easy Group Transfer mechanism, and by me for the handful of Yahoo Groups I've helped manually migrate.

Also, I've probably Direct Added a few hundred bouncing addresses to my PTA group (with its inevitable typos, misremembered, misspelled, or illegibly scrawled registration lists). In that process I acted with deliberate disregard for the possibility that the list might contain addresses that would bounce - I have been deliberately using Direct Add plus Groups.io's bounce tracking to vet those lists. It seems like the only practical way.

I did not expect that this could in any way cause a problem for Groups.io.

Certainly in the past, the reason we've been put on blocklists was
because of premium groups direct adding bad addresses to their groups.
I wonder here if the nature of "bad" isn't "bouncing", but rather addresses that do NOT bounce -- but are spamtraps. I would think just bad as in "no such user" addresses have to turn up far too frequently in Direct Ads to be what triggered two blocks so widely separated in time (and not be blocked every day). Especially given that you suspend sending to the hard bouncing addresses rather immediately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamtrap (for readers who don't know)

How a spamtrap address would get into a Yahoo Groups members list I don't know. Probably it dates back to when Direct Add existed in Yahoo Groups, but that doesn't answer the question of how it ended up in some group owner's list to add.

Shal


moderated Re: All member data is restored except "notes" when member leaves and rejoins - please include that also #suggestion

 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:13 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Are you talking about Member Notes? ..... that's a problem (although I don't know how "glaring" it is
Don't know how it's referred to in documentation. It's entitled simply "Notes" on the page itself.
I said it was a glaring exception to what's restored. Whether or not it's a glaring problem depends on how you use it.:-)  I use it extensively for information about my members and their cats and restoring it when someone leaves and comes back is difficult.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: All member data is restored except "notes" when member leaves and rejoins - please include that also #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

J -- Are you talking about Member Notes?

I use Member Notes mainly to log past issues with each user's compliance with group guidelines. If this can be cleared by simply leaving and rejoining, I agree that's a problem (although I don't know how "glaring" it is.)  :-)

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Problems replying to digest messages? #misc

 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Any chance of a screenshot or two from the bottom of the digest?
Not sure what you mean. There's nothing unusual about the digest. Do you mean a screenshot of her blank Thunderbird windwo when she tries to reply?
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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