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moderated Re: Uncheck of Auto Follow Replies in Advanced Preferences is not saved #bug

 

My understanding, after the long and drawn-out conversation about this awhile back, is that Auto-Follow Replies is now automatic when Following Only is checked. I always wondered why it was even left as a check box (but always checked), and thought that the box was strictly informative - i.e., that Following Only now automatically implies Auto-Follow Replies and that AFR can't be unchecked.

So it's unclear whether the bug consists of allowing the box to even be unchecked, or on the other hand, not clearing the option when the box is unchecked.
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moderated Uncheck of Auto Follow Replies in Advanced Preferences is not saved #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

in Advanced Preferences, when Following Only is selected, it's not possible to uncheck and save Auto Follow Replies. If you expand the Advanced Preferences again after saving, Auto Follow Replies is still checked.

Regards
Andy


moderated HTML formatting being stripped from Calendar Event notices #bug

Yusuf Leo Schuman
 

A group I maintain (BowlOfSaki@groups.io) is used to post daily messages to group members. The descriptions of these events are HTML formatted. Beginning 5/27, this HTML formatting is being stripped from notices sent to group members, and from Messages visible in the web UI. 

I have made no change to any group settings. Is this a deliberate change of system behavior? Or a bug?


moderated Re: Chat text entry field hidden on mobile #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 12:57 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I don't know if this is also happening in the app.

I've just been testing the Chat feature in the app and you can create the initial message to start a chat but after that there's no way to enter additional comments. There's no option to resize the display to reveal any hidden fields and switching from portrait to landscape does not help either.

Andy


moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

 

Glenn, it's one of those undocumented features, I didn't know it existed either until only a few months ago.  There's only a single (somewhat cryptic) line about it, in the Owner's manual, and in the Enterprize group admin section no less which most folks don't read:

Disable +1 Functionality
Select this checkbox to disable the automatic conversion of +1 email messages to likes.

I'll suggest in docs to add something about it in the User manual.

Cheers,
Christos



On 2021-06-01 10:17, Glenn Glazer via groups.io wrote:
If you reply to a post by email and just put +1 as your message text, it will be recorded as a Like. You cannot see Likes unless you use the Web UI though.

Andy

Oh, thanks. I didn't know that. TIL.



moderated Chat text entry field hidden on mobile #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- Someone in Group_Help recently reported that the text entry field for the chat function is hidden under the menu items on their mobile device. Just resize to a narrow enough window and it disappears.

I don't know if this is also happening in the app.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Two activity log records created when a pending message is viewed before approval #bug

 

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 07:11 AM, Duane wrote:
I don't see that it creates a problem as is, just an extra entry in the log that's not needed.
I agree with that. And it depends on what you mean by "needed" as applied to log entries. I feel it's appropriate to create a log entry for any significant action, even if you're not sure whether or not the logging changes anyone else's behavior. Sometimes you just want to know what's been happening in the group.
 
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moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

Glenn Glazer
 

On 05/31/2021 23:15, Andy Wedge wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 06:26 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
Like does not work in email in either direction: I cannot like a post by email and I do not see likes in my email.
If you reply to a post by email and just put +1 as your message text, it will be recorded as a Like. You cannot see Likes unless you use the Web UI though.

Andy

Oh, thanks. I didn't know that. TIL.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Two activity log records created when a pending message is viewed before approval #bug

Duane
 

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 05:43 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
If I select the checkbox next to a pending message and approve it, I get one activity log message saying I approved the message. However if I view (not edit) the message first and then approve it, I get a message saying I claimed it and then another saying I approved it.
I had a chance to use this just now.  I feel it's a matter of placement of the claim function in the processing.  If I'm reading a message to make a decision, there's no need for a 'claim' if approved, only if I select the Reject button.  It's useful there because it can take a minute or two to create the reason for rejection, especially if there's not a canned notice, and another mod could happen to access the message during that time.  I don't see that it creates a problem as is, just an extra entry in the log that's not needed.

Duane


moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 06:26 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
Like does not work in email in either direction: I cannot like a post by email and I do not see likes in my email.
If you reply to a post by email and just put +1 as your message text, it will be recorded as a Like. You cannot see Likes unless you use the Web UI though.

Andy


moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

Glenn Glazer
 

On 05/31/2021 21:21, KWKloeber via groups.io wrote:

Adding to list below:

- It likely would be helpful to cut down on unnecessary chafe in replies by avoiding reminding us that "it's Mark's business" or that  "Mark can implement a #Suggestion (or not) as he sees fit," or that "Mark can decide whether a #Suggestion will benefit enough members," and so on and so forth. 
It's intuitively obvious that Mark can do whatever he wants - we neither need to be reminded nor do we need to remind others.


I have most often seen this as a response to criticism. If we cut down on that, I think much of this sort of comment will be unnecessary.


Here is a prior msg to Mark (just copied verbatim so forgive my not fine-tuning it) when we had been discussing the "new" beta group back in Jan 2020.  Could we use this as a jumping-off point for interested-others to add to and suggest guidelines to Mark he could fine tune to whatever will help him the most?

Will you be publishing guidelines - specifically referring to what is most helpful to you and want to see added (or refrained from) re: discussion of a #suggestion.  Some thoughts if you decide to go that route:

- "I agree" and "me too" be forever banned (unless Beta is intended to be a popularity poll.)  "LIKE" works.

Like does not work in email in either direction: I cannot like a post by email and I do not see likes in my email. I for one, almost never use the web interface and I do not believe I am unique in this.

- "No one will use that" -  no one has enough foresight to definitively predict what the average user (or non-average) will or will -

- "That would cause a mess" or "cause more confusion than now" or "can't be implemented"  or ..... similar type replies.  

- For the most part "opinions" have little value and add to unnecessary chaff on Beta.  Everyone has one and every one (just as everyone) is as valid as another.

- "Fact-based" -  discussions/additions/clarifications that are fact-based and add to understanding or clarification (or forbid improvement) of someone else's suggestion, not leading to needing to defend one's opinions (rather than presenting or clarifying facts,) which adds tons of chaff.

The rest of these seem good.

Best,

Glenn


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moderated Re: Beta Group Guidelines #meta

KWKloeber
 

Adding to list below:

- It likely would be helpful to cut down on unnecessary chafe in replies by avoiding reminding us that "it's Mark's business" or that  "Mark can implement a #Suggestion (or not) as he sees fit," or that "Mark can decide whether a #Suggestion will benefit enough members," and so on and so forth. 
It's intuitively obvious that Mark can do whatever he wants - we neither need to be reminded nor do we need to remind others.


Here is a prior msg to Mark (just copied verbatim so forgive my not fine-tuning it) when we had been discussing the "new" beta group back in Jan 2020.  Could we use this as a jumping-off point for interested-others to add to and suggest guidelines to Mark he could fine tune to whatever will help him the most?

Will you be publishing guidelines - specifically referring to what is most helpful to you and want to see added (or refrained from) re: discussion of a #suggestion.  Some thoughts if you decide to go that route:

- "I agree" and "me too" be forever banned (unless Beta is intended to be a popularity poll.)  "LIKE" works.

- "No one will use that" -  no one has enough foresight to definitively predict what the average user (or non-average) will or will -

- "That would cause a mess" or "cause more confusion than now" or "can't be implemented"  or ..... similar type replies.  

- For the most part "opinions" have little value and add to unnecessary chaff on Beta.  Everyone has one and every one (just as everyone) is as valid as another.

- "Fact-based" -  discussions/additions/clarifications that are fact-based and add to understanding or clarification (or forbid improvement) of someone else's suggestion, not leading to needing to defend one's opinions (rather than presenting or clarifying facts,) which adds tons of chaff. 


moderated Re: group URL doesn’t display in safari #misc

 

Thanks! I think that just shows how old my *old* safari was. 😊I never noticed that before this new computer and update. I just checked and it’s the same on my iPhone.


On May 31, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 03:05 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Anyone know what might be going on?
Apparently it's been that way for a long time, https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/safari-view-full-url

Duane

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moderated Re: group URL doesn’t display in safari #misc

Duane
 

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 03:05 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Anyone know what might be going on?
Apparently it's been that way for a long time, https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/safari-view-full-url

Duane


moderated group URL doesn’t display in safari #misc

 

I just (two weeks ago) got a new MacBook Pro and today, accessed groups.io via safari for the first time. (I normally use Firefox.) I noticed that only in safari, the URL for groups doesn’t display at the top. Just “groups.io.”
Anyone know what might be going on?


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moderated Re: Two activity log records created when a pending message is viewed before approval #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 11:48 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I think it makes sense to mark it as claimed once you so much as open it, so other mods know that you may be working on it and don’t try to do that concurrently.
If I open it for edit then I agree and this is what happened previously. It was marked as claimed but the 'claim' wasn't recorded in the Activity Log.  I can view a pending message by clicking on the subject and then use Skip or Cancel and that doesn't mark it as claimed (in the same way that viewing a pending subscription request does not mark in as claimed). Marking something as claimed is only useful if there is a delay between the 'claim' and the approval/rejection so that another Mod knows you are dealing with it.  What's happening here is that the claim and approval are being logged at the same time so there's no chance that another Mod would even see that in the millisecond or so that it exists before approval.

Andy


moderated Re: Two activity log records created when a pending message is viewed before approval #bug

 

I think it makes sense to mark it as claimed once you so much as open it, so other mods know that you may be working on it and don’t try to do that concurrently.


On May 30, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

If I select the checkbox next to a pending message and approve it, I get one activity log message saying I approved the message. However if I view (not edit) the message first and then approve it, I get a message saying I claimed it and then another saying I approved it. I've raised this as a bug as I cannot see the need for the 'claim' entry when I have not edited the pending message.

Regards
Andy

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moderated Two activity log records created when a pending message is viewed before approval #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

If I select the checkbox next to a pending message and approve it, I get one activity log message saying I approved the message. However if I view (not edit) the message first and then approve it, I get a message saying I claimed it and then another saying I approved it. I've raised this as a bug as I cannot see the need for the 'claim' entry when I have not edited the pending message.

Regards
Andy


moderated Retain original update field data during database export/import #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

When I export a database to a JSON and then import it to another database, the "updated" field for every record changes to the date/time of the import. I'd like to be able to move a database from one group to another but retain the original update field date/time information. This is for a database that tracks membership in a neighborhood directory, and the date/time of the last update for each record is important to us.

Pete


moderated Re: "All messages by this member" #bug

 

I tried it and get the same bug. I think my group was also basic at the time the member left (we upgraded shortly after), and it was around the same timeframe you mention. Maybe has to do with maintaining records for "past members" in premium vs. basic groups?
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