On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:12 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I was just working on that. Should be fixed now.

 

Yes, the pop-up panel is stable now. Thanks.  It still only works with a Personal Meeting Id (PMI) at present as the One Time Meeting option generates no Zoom meeting link.

Thanks
Andy

Hi Mark,

when I click the 'Make this a Zoom meeting' button the pop-up panel where you enter the Zoom meeting details opens and immediately closes repeatedly preventing entry of details.  I've tested this on Firefox and Chrome and it's the same each time.

Regards,
Andy

Thank You Bruce.  It seems that a number of our users over time have been removed for marking as spam.  When I contact them with my gmail address they didn't do it.  And when I ask them to carefully examine their inbox and spam folders for an email that has a link to reinstate themselves they almost always never find one.  I have no idea if this is because their provider, since they just marked GIO as spam just tosses it and never delivers it even to the spam folder, or if they are not technical (many of our users are not) and just don't know what to look for.

John P

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:51 AM, Michael wrote:

In my experience, nobody has ever decided to leave the group by marking a message as spam, rather, it is always their email *client* deciding something is spam and causing them to be dropped. 

My own experience is about 50:50.

The "dropping them like a hot potato" because of an automated spam message situation causes headaches for admins and users alike.

It was not my intent to restart the FBL debate. I'm just seeking a more proactive way to help someone when they invariably <vernacular on> freak out <vernacular off> about it.

Regards,
Bruce

In my experience, nobody has ever decided to leave the group by marking a message as spam, rather, it is always their email *client* deciding something is spam and causing them to be dropped. 

Then they come to me wanting to know why they aren't getting messages, or I mention to them, if I don't miss the notice, and they are confused, because they got no notice, (perhaps it went into the spam folder too).

The "dropping them like a hot potato" because of an automated spam message situation causes headaches for admins and users alike.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:02 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

More generally, we need some way that a group Owner can resend that link to the [ex-]member.

My understanding is that the link to resubscribe is personalised to the member that was removed. In that sense, receiving a copy of it would suggest getting an element of control over an account that may not be appropriate. Having the ability to resend the link could be useful though and perhaps sending it as a personal or private message rather than a system message from Groups.io would reduce the chance of it being treated as spam at the receiver's end.

Andy

Most email clients will recognise a hyperlink in a plain text email and
make it clickable. They don't always get it right....

I think what was being asked was that the email commands for
unsubscribing etc should be shown so they can be used (clickable
mailto: or whatever, remember if they are they they can still be
manually typed in a new email). The existing links to the web interface
are no use for email only users who have never set a password for web
access.

Dave

On 11 May 2020 at 18:40, Bruce Bowman wrote:

By definition, the plain text messages sent by groups.io cannot contain
hyperlinks. If recipient's email client sees a link address and converts
it to a hyperlink, that's another matter...but that behavior is not in
groups.io's control.

http://davesergeant.com

That seems a sensible suggestion Bruce.

As an aside, we currently have one member with Virgin Media who gets
unsubscribed regular. He has clearly sorted out what happens since he
resubscribes in just a few minutes each time, and has not contacted me
to complain. But is there a specific issue with Virgin Media at the
moment?

Dave

On 11 May 2020 at 16:08, Bruce Bowman wrote:

It would be useful of the notification sent to the +owner address when
someone is unsubbed for this reason contained the same "resume
subscription" link that was originally sent to the affected member. That
way, if he panicked and deleted the resume message, I could forward him
the notification I received and help get him back into the group that
way.

http://davesergeant.com

Raw source below.  It is reasonable for an email client to hyperlink the unsubscribe link, there is no way the user can unsubscribe using email.

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Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.

 

View/Reply Online (#9): https://groups.io/g/zmh292/message/9

Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/74013589/547764

Mute #sked: https://groups.io/mk?hashtag=3Dsked&subid=3D8279501

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Group Owner: zmh292+owner@groups.io

Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/zmh292/unsub  [peter@northlandmaritimerad=

io.nz]

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Mark,

Not true. Only confirmed users can create groups.

Ok, I guess something different happened.

I'll admit I didn't click through to prove that I could. I just took the site's word for it. There does seem to be some confusion here. When first claiming one could create groups I hadn't noticed the big headline:



The address in question is invalid. In fact it is in Bouncing status (but not NC) per shalstest's Pending Members list. I expected it to be both.

So I'm not sure how this address escaped NC status, unless there was some automatic response from my email service that "smelled" like a reply to the confirmation request.

Shal

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 07:14 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

I think that's it: easier to create the account on the spot so that the user can go ahead with filling in their options & profile while they wait for the confirmation to arrive.

I think that it is more literally because it's a placeholder in the sense that creating the account a priori prevents anyone else from signing up with the same email address while it's in process.

It behaves like it is perfectly real

That's a matter of definition. There are things it does do and things it doesn't do. I think the word "real" is meaningless.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

J,

I would think of these NC “accounts” as placeholders.

That's a reasonable view.

It’s probably just easier for Mark to create an “account” before the
dust has settled, but it’s not a “real” account yet.

I think that's it: easier to create the account on the spot so that the user can go ahead with filling in their options & profile while they wait for the confirmation to arrive.

It behaves like it is perfectly real, in much the same way that a Bouncing (or Bounced) account is still real, but can't receive group postings by email until the NC status is cleared.

Shal

John,

It shows that an account with an incorrect email address is created
and changed without being admitted to the group or being confirmed.
It's still in NC and pending emails to both addresses bounced.

That's because NC only refers to whether the user has confirmed the email address that they typed into the Sign-up page. It has nothing to do with their activity on the web.*

Shal
*Perhaps except as later clarified by Mark concerning group creation.

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 08:50 PM, Peter Mott wrote:

The group is already set to Plain Text Only in the message formatting block, but message footers still contain clickable hyperlinks to http pages.

By definition, the plain text messages sent by groups.io cannot contain hyperlinks. If recipient's email client sees a link address and converts it to a hyperlink, that's another matter...but that behavior is not in groups.io's control.

Regards,
Bruce

Hi Bruce,

The group is already set to Plain Text Only in the message formatting block, but message footers still contain clickable hyperlinks to http pages.

regards

Peter

It would be useful of the notification sent to the +owner address when someone is unsubbed for this reason contained the same "resume subscription" link that was originally sent to the affected member. That way, if he panicked and deleted the resume message, I could forward him the notification I received and help get him back into the group that way.

More generally, we need some way that a group Owner can resend that link to the [ex-]member. Seven days of expiration does not help if the one and only message sent to him is irretrievably lost.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 02:39 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've changed the text from 'Logged in:' to 'They accessed the web from:'.

Typo sneaked in, forgot the 'y' in They (or a bug ate it?).

Thanks much,
Duane