Mark,
I have a group with many subgroups that come and go. I assumed that the subgroup files/photos/whatever were included in the data limit for the main group, but had trouble figuring out how much storage we were using.  I manually tried to add it all up, but then I heard that the subgroups each have their own limit.  That could be a lot of storage if true now that you have doubled the limitation (thank you btw), and I'd like clarification on how subgroup storage impacts our data limits please. And - if the subgroups are part of the main, then can we have an overall "storage used" number in the main group please?
Many thanks
Beth

On 10/01/2020 23:00, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Basic groups created after Wednesday morning, 1/15/20 at 9AM, will no longer have the ability to create subgroups. Existing basic groups will be grandfathered in.

I have no objection to this (I could never really see the use of subgroups).

However, I do believe that a lot of information about Groups.io is not learnt from the Groups.io site but from fans who tell other people about it, so it's very important when someone creates a new group that they be told what had changed (i.e. what things that people told them about the wonderful Groups.io is no longer there).

What would happen (from now on) to subgroups in groups who are premium for a while and then changes to non-premium? Will it be a loophole in the system that you can create subgroups by paying for 1 month premium?

Samuel

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:30 PM, Nancy Funk wrote:

I just tried this and it won't work for me either.

I just checked using one of my user level accounts and it works for 20, 50, and 100.  Are you sure that you're saving it when you change to another choice?

Duane

I just tried this and it won't work for me either. 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 08:36 AM, Duane wrote:

In the footer, it said "You receive all messages..."

I should have reported this sooner, but the footer was saying whatever I may have set in Advanced Preferences, (i.e. first and followed), not necessarily "all messages..."  I hope the bugfix will take care of this as well.  And a big THANK YOU for the [Special] tag!

Duane

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 05:46 PM, Maria McGrath wrote:

They changed the items to view to 100 BUT still only see 20 on the database.

Does it have anything to do with me being-the owner etc ?

No, but they do need to scroll down and click Update Preferences or it won't change.

Duane

Changes to the site the past few weeks:

• BUGFIX: When a poll was created and moderated, if a group moderator edited the poll before approving it, the poll ownership was mistakenly changed to the moderator.
• CHANGE: All premium groups now have 20GB of storage.
• CHANGE: The 'Note Sent To Attendees' email sent to people reply yes to an event, as well as the email notifying someone they have been moved from the waitlist to the attending list, were sent from the +owner email address. They are now sent as coming from the creator of the event.
• INTERNAL: Wrote a new utility to do some consistency checking and cleanups of the various databases.
• API: We are now ratelimiting the /downloadarchives endpoint because of abuse.
• INTERNAL: Developed a new system to make it easier to grep through all the various logs to research problems in the system.
• INTERNAL: Switched from a redis-based rate limiting system to a custom system.
• BUGFIX: When changing your email address, we were sending the warning email to the new email address when we should have been sending it to the old email address.
• CHANGE: Display the updated date in the 'Uploaded' column in the files section.
• CHANGE: Previously, when a group had separate footers checked, we would not try to strip out any remnant footers from incoming replies. Because some mailers combine multiple text parts when replying, we still need to look for these footers in replies, otherwise unsubscribe links could be inadvertently sent out.
• BUGFIX: For some reason, a few people started receiving duplicate summaries the last couple of days. I refactored the code that generates the summaries and that fixed the problem even though that code hadn't been touched in months.
• NEW: Added new Event Summary Email interval: Bi-Weekly on Fridays.
• CHANGE: Changed Zendesk to send back an acknowledgement when a support email is received.
• BUGFIX: For enterprise groups without a custom home page, setting disable sign up to true would result in an endless redirect.
• CHANGE: Modified message import code to support mbox files from Yahoo Group's export system.
• API: Added /updatewikipage, /deletewikipage and /deletewikirevision endpoints.
• BUGFIX: For people on special messages only, the message footers wrongly said You receive all messages sent to this group.
• NEW: Special messages are now sent with the subject tag [Special].
• API: Changed moderated to moderation in the Group object.
• NEW: Added additional information to the Sent message requiring approval activity log line, specifying exactly why a message was moderated. This duplicated the Message from member required approval because of virus line, which I have removed.
• SYSADMIN: Upgraded hot spare database instance to have the same resources as our main database.
• INTERNAL: Switched from a redis-based session tracking system to a custom system.
• BUGFIX: Fixed line breaks in the index in the plain text digest.
• API: Added plan field to group object.
• API: Added nice_group_name, cover_photo_url, icon_url, subs_count, most_recent_message fields to the member_info object.
• API: Changed the sort options for the /getsubs endpoint and added the set_home_page parameter.
• API: First pass at /getdatabaserows endpoint.
• NEW: Added 'Deleted Account' activity log entry for when people delete their accounts.
• API: Added is_reply field to Message object.
• INTERNAL: Lots of technical debt formatting issues cleaned up.
• API: Added /getdatabases endpoint.
• INTERNAL: Split smtpauthd from smtpd server to make things more clear.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark

hi again, 

so it works for me BUT it will not work for the members that has tested it.

They changed the items to view to 100 BUT still only see 20 on the database.

Does it have anything to do with me being-the owner etc ?

Hi Mark,

Thanks JC and Duane.
The easiest thing for me to do is just (only) post from my
WEBmail hosting servers and hope people limit editing like
the real-time pop-up warning says <grin>.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Group.IO poster page, but it
has some limitations -- So, to each his or her own...

Rick

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 07:11 AM, RickGlaz-WEB wrote:

Glad I edit my own stuff sparingly
and generally right away...

Sometimes a moderator, rather than the member, may edit messages much later, for various reasons.

That said, your statement gives me a couple of ideas that could solve much or all of this. In no particular order, and with no suggestions as to whether or not to make them standard or group options:

1. Specify an "edit window," as do comments sections of news sites, such as "3 minutes" (or whatever - could be standard, could be optional, could be zero if the group wants to turn off editing, etc) in which non-mod members can "save don't send."

Instead of or in conjunction with (1):

2. All non-mod "save don't send" edits could be moderated.

In any case, just as they do in other media, all edited messages should still keep their place in the conversation and not move around simply because of an edit.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Duane, Thanks. Not what I was expecting. Glad I edit my own stuff sparingly
and generally right away...

Rick

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 06:14 PM, Duane wrote: (that)

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 07:08 PM, Duane wrote:

Only if they've logged out or deleted cookies.  You'll stay logged in indefinitely as long as you visit the site at least once every 30 days and don't delete cookies.  In that case, the file pops up immediately when the browser opens.

Duane

 Yes, and I have my browser set to delete cookies on every exit, to avoid reduce tracking. A user-friendly email-based group shouldn't require keeping a login active on the host server.

As you point out, whether or not it is already downloaded is a function of settings in the email client. My Thunderbird is set to always download attachments, so there are there when I get to the computer, which has been faithfully checking for new email regularly while I am doing other things. And the setting you mention is only available to IMAP clients not POP3 clients, which always download attachments.

If this thread has gone off topic, it is because you keep making suggestions that stray from the original point, in an attempt to convince me that the original point isn't valid, and I keep pointing out that your preferences are not universal, and that other people have different settings and opinions and processes. While your suggestions have some relationship to the original point, none of them have been convincing to me thus far.

I would really like to have Dropbox integration.
The google integration doesn't work, and it's got a Dropbox logo, so why not Dropbox?

It looks like you had API v1 integration at one time:
https://www.dropbox.com/developers/reference/migration-guide?_tk=guides_lp&_ad=deepdive8&_camp=v2

https://www.dropbox.com/developers/reference

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 03:14 PM, Duane wrote:

They're sorted by the original posting time... That has bugged me sometimes

I wanted to expand on why I think it's so important to maintain the posted-date, rather than the edited-date, sort order of messages in the message list. I especially want to contrast this with the display of updated date of files, which I myself recently requested, and which (I think correctly) implemented. Messages, unlike files, are part of a flow of conversation. If I edit a message a week or a month after it was posted to, say, fix a spelling error, it should emphatically NOT move up a week out of its place in the conversation. That (IMHO) would be crazy and could very possibly make conversations very hard to follow. Not everyone quotes snippets of the message they're responding to in order to make it clear; many people, including those posting via email, simply post their answer. Imagine what would happen if their reply jumped a month, or a year, out of place because of a small edit. 

Updates to files, on the other hand, are a different beast. They are not part of chronological conversations, as I've already said, and updates to files would, or might, normally consist of more major changes in content than edits to messages.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu