Hi,

Given the bouncing if sent via email, I feel even more strongly that owner messages without a subject should be allowed. These are potentially coming from people completely unfamiliar with the group or even groups.io.

However, I agree that the issue of hashtags qualifying as subjects in group messages needs to be fixed.
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On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:54:07 +0100, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@tds.net> wrote:

Topics are supposed to have subjects. Not sure how the threading algorithm is supposed to work without one.

Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers, not on the basis of the subject line.

Malcolm.

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On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Duane wrote:

Unfortunately, a hashtag on the subject line is enough to allow it to be accepted.

Yep...a source of annoyance for me.

Topics are supposed to have subjects. Not sure how the threading algorithm is supposed to work without one.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:17 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

For those asking for clarification: It's not really that the message gets rejected in the usual sense, because it is not even allowed to be submitted without a subject.

This would be for online submissions.  If sent via email, the message is actually bounced with the message "500 This message is missing a subject. Please include a subject and send it again."  Unfortunately, a hashtag on the subject line is enough to allow it to be accepted.

Duane

For those asking for clarification: It's not really that the message gets rejected in the usual sense, because it is not even allowed to be submitted without a subject. The composition box stops you right after you hit "Send" and says "You must include a subject." right below the subject line, which lights up in red.

I also personally don't care if owner messages have subject lines or not. Well, honestly, I lean very slightly towards not requiring them.
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I would like this too. Since my group uses hashtags, all that happens is that the hashtags show as hashtags and are then repeated as the subject line, so members continue sending messages with hashtags rather than subject lines.

Personally, I'd prefer messages sent to the group without a subject line to get rejected, but I don't mind messages sent to the mods without a subject line.

Helen

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:01 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

NEW: Revamped mobile Groups page.

Aaaarrrgggghhhh!  In addition to the other discussion on changes to the mobile homepage we now see this as main group names are no longer shown. How are we supposed to determine which group is which when most don;t have mobile site icons defined?




There is so much good work done on Groups.io and it all gets undermined with stuff like this. Why hasn't anybody tested it???

Andy

Changes to the site this week:

• CHANGE: Updates to the Members manual and Owners manual from Nina.
• SYSADMIN: Upgraded the kernel of mail01, to hopefully address slowness issue.
• CHANGE: When a group is set to Reply To Sender and also has Remove Other Reply Options set, do not add a List-Post header to individual messages.
• BUGFIX: Daily summaries included topics that had been muted.
• NEW: Remember the current calendar view.
• NEW: Revamped mobile Groups page.
• CHANGE: Made the subject lines of the subscribe/unsubscribe emails more useful.
• API: Added /getenterpriseinfo endpoint.
• BUGFIX: The subject wasn't logged in the activity log when deleting or rejecting a pending message.
• CHANGE: Relaxed the XML parsing strictness of RSS feeds to allow feeds that would otherwise be considered broken.

Take care everyone.

Mark

I never knew it had disappeared lol. 😊

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It was the same bug but it reappeared which is why I mentioned it again
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Bob Bellizzi

If this is a suggestion, I'd like some clarity on what you mean by "rejected". Does the message simply get discarded, or does the author get a message back saying something like "you sent a message without a subjectline, so we assume it was sent in error and it was not sent to the group"

I'd prefer the latter. I too think it should cover messages to the +owner address

groetjes, Ronaldo

Single message.

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This sounds like the same bug I reported earlier today, about not being able to reply via web.

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Hi All,

I've rolled back the changes from earlier today. I'm unable to reproduce the missing message composition window right now. I'll come back to it after the weekend.

Thanks,
Mark

Mark,
This originally appeared earlier today and then disappeared.
But now it's returned.
When I use Reply to a message in message view I get my subject line but no open box nor controls to compose my message.
I've tried and retried on several different messages near the  latest messges chronologically.

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Bob Bellizzi

I just received a "request received" email for a bug report I'd sent to support. There was no identifying information in it - no quote of the bug report and no identifying title. I wanted to add further info by responding to the email (as I'd been able to do in the past), but it was impossible to know whether the further info would be connected with the correct bug.

I think the "request received" email should either quote the bug report, as it used to, and/or at minimum, include the bug as titled in the original bug report.
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Mark,

This seems like a new bug. I just tried to reply to your message that the display-name bug was fixed (it is), but the reply box hung on me and I had to exit out. Tried several times.

I will send you the details about the logging bug offlist.
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