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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Larry Denenberg
 

Us too. We got our ducks in a row before December 1, but that wasn't soon enough, it turns out.

I have independently requested my content from Yahoo, and (like another poster) was surprised to get *all* content from *all* groups I belong too. Perhaps if group transfers were re-enabled just for member lists, or maybe for everything but messages, Mark could arrange for restoring messages later, at leisure, from these downloaded content stores, rather than from Yahoo itself.

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 02:24 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th.
That's not the way most people are interpreting the YG announcement.  The say you can continue as an email only group, but specifically mentioned that Conversations will be deleted.  Of course, if their deletion of content is as accurate as their "no uploads" deadline, the messages may be there for months! ;>)

Duane

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote:

the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from
all the groups that I was ever subscribed to
That's actually somewhat scary!
--
J
I'm curious to see if I ever get anything. I requested the contents of the groups I belonged to, including one group that Yahoo later said didn't exist. Anymore, I'm convinced Yahoo could screw up an anvil.

Then again, pessimists get a lot of nice surprises. We'll see!

Dano

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Oops, sorry... we also need to move the members!

On 12/1/2019 1:20 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
Hi Mark,

I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th. Would you be able to keep trying to transfer them after the 14th? (I've downloaded the photos and files, and I can upload them manually if I have to. But Yahoo wouldn't give me the messages.)

Thanks!
Jerry

On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:12:59 PST, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Hi Mark,

I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th. Would you be able to keep trying to transfer them after the 14th? (I've downloaded the photos and files, and I can upload them manually if I have to. But Yahoo wouldn't give me the messages.)

Thanks!
Jerry

On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:12:59 PST, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: if you want to try to export your stuff...

Fred Hicks
 

Definitely worked to download 12k+ members from the list I care about the most!


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:22 AM <ajomccauley@...> wrote:
...just as a backup plan, truly!

This member export script worked for me. I was able to get our list of 1700 members exported to json files of 100 members each (you might be able to go bigger, I didn't try):
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/79909487/Chrome%20Application%20to%20Download%20Members

Note: I didn't use the chrome extension, I looked at the code and got the data exported simply by going to the URL (I think if you download the ZIP and look at it, you'll see what I mean).
Note: I did this before November.
Note: I haven't tried the companion script to download the message archive.

Hope this helps! I'm on my phone at the moment, but if there's interest, I can dig up some more info, I think I still have stuff saved on my computer.

(To be clear, we used and were beyond happy with the groups.io transfer service, I only did this download as a "just in case" backup.)

Cheers,
Alison



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moderated Hashtags also supported in the email body

David Baker (CASRAI) <dbaker@...>
 

I am a new user and we are assessing groups.io for our not-for-profit project. I loved to hear that hashtags were supported but was surprised to learn that they were only supported in the subject line. Has there been discussion for/against also supporting hashtags in the body? I did a cursory search for this kind of thing but failed to find it.

Outside of Twitter I was first introduced to hashtags in Discourse. As I was writing in the body of a post I could add hashtags as needed and they worked without adding content to the subject line.

As a newbie I may be missing the value of the subject-line-only feature. But I'm willing to learn.

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Kathleen Michels
 

So by existing - do you mean complete up to upgrade to premium  paid for? We received acknowledgement of upgrade to premium payment but not able to go on to next step


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:13 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?


Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: if you want to try to export your stuff...

Frances
 

Some other options in the FAQ on transferring on Group Managers Forum.

See #10 and #14.
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups

Wiki and message archive does not require group membership. Posting does.

Frances

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Ann Kelsey
 

Mark,

Can you enable the transfer request option for those of us who would like to initiate the transfer without messages, but couldn't go through the transfer request process due to it being disabled on Friday?

What my group really needs are the photos and member list. I downloaded the messages through the yahoo download manager. Of course it would be nice to have them integrated, but getting a transfer of the photos and member list would make things much easier for us in launching the group on groups.io. 

Thanks.

Ann Kelsey

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?


Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Kathleen Michels
 

Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Thank you!
Kathy

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 1:35 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

Once again, I've had to disable new transfer requests. Yahoo is erroring out for the vast majority of our requests. I'll update if/when this changes.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:23 AM David Hartwell via Groups.Io <hartwelld=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

1) Does the outage only affect transfer of messages, or everything? I don't need messages transferred, just everything else. So I'm wondering if maybe the present outage wouldn't prevent this. (I have already archived our Yahoo group messages and am working on getting them in mbox file format for import).

Mostly it just affects messages. Photos, files and member lists seem to be ok.

 
2) I think we need some transfer help. Presently, the transfer of our group (UnsolvedProblems), seems to be stuck in limbo. It was first attempted about a month ago and a few more times since. When I try it again, it just says "That Yahoo Group is already a part of another transfer." but there is no transfer status and nothing has been transferred. The transfer steps were not done exactly in order (due to a change in group ownership mid-way), so maybe that's the cause.


If you, or anyone else, wants to go ahead with the transfer but without messages, first, go into your transfer request and uncheck the Messages box. Then contact me off-list with the name of your Groups.io group and your Yahoo Group. I cannot guarantee that, if Yahoo ever fixes the messages issue, that I'd be able to go back later and get the messages for your group. But you'd have everything else transferred.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 08:23 AM, Juulz wrote:
it also contains full email addresses from groups that have them hidden from membership!
And also, unless I'm misunderstanding it seems you're implying it contains content from after people left (or, in some cases, were ousted) from their groups, which is content they should not be seeing if the group messages are private.

BTW, every time I see this subject title it at first parses as "Another Yahoo Groups outrage" before my brain makes the correction.:-)
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Juulz
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:32 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
That's actually somewhat scary!
It is, actually.

When opened with an mbox reader, it also contains full email addresses from groups that have them hidden from membership!

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

David Hartwell
 

Mark,

1) Does the outage only affect transfer of messages, or everything? I don't need messages transferred, just everything else. So I'm wondering if maybe the present outage wouldn't prevent this. (I have already archived our Yahoo group messages and am working on getting them in mbox file format for import).

2) I think we need some transfer help. Presently, the transfer of our group (UnsolvedProblems), seems to be stuck in limbo. It was first attempted about a month ago and a few more times since. When I try it again, it just says "That Yahoo Group is already a part of another transfer." but there is no transfer status and nothing has been transferred. The transfer steps were not done exactly in order (due to a change in group ownership mid-way), so maybe that's the cause.

David

moderated if you want to try to export your stuff...

ajomccauley@...
 

...just as a backup plan, truly!

This member export script worked for me. I was able to get our list of 1700 members exported to json files of 100 members each (you might be able to go bigger, I didn't try):
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/79909487/Chrome%20Application%20to%20Download%20Members

Note: I didn't use the chrome extension, I looked at the code and got the data exported simply by going to the URL (I think if you download the ZIP and look at it, you'll see what I mean).
Note: I did this before November.
Note: I haven't tried the companion script to download the message archive.

Hope this helps! I'm on my phone at the moment, but if there's interest, I can dig up some more info, I think I still have stuff saved on my computer.

(To be clear, we used and were beyond happy with the groups.io transfer service, I only did this download as a "just in case" backup.)

Cheers,
Alison

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote:
the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from all the groups that I was ever subscribed to
That's actually somewhat scary!
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Ann Kelsey
 

My group is in the same boat. It took awhile for us to decide, partially because some of us were out of the country,  and when we finally did, yahoo went fubar and Mark had to suspend requests for group transfers. We are also holding our breaths. 

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Ali
 

While we all wait ... If you haven't done so it is probably a good idea to request all your group data from Yahoo. This page has instructions:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/4/20917500/yahoo-group-data-download-how-to

I put the request in several weeks ago and a few days ago got an email notice that it was ready to be downloaded. The zip file I received was over 2Gb. What is interesting and surprising is the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from all the groups that I was ever subscribed to including 10 that no longer exist or are inaccessible! I don't know if this is some change Yahoo/Verizon has made but I really only expected to receive the posts, YMMV.