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locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Frances
 

Hi

And I, on the other hand, am not worried about the message. This would probably not happen very often. 

If a message is deleted, are the members notified? 
A scenario: a message is deleted, and nothing goes to the group members, no message is put in the website showing a message was deleted. Now someone wants to follow up on that message from so-and-so, so they go to the website to find it. If there was a message about deletion, their search would be over. Having a bit of a trail is not such a bad thing!

Frances


On Jan 9 15, at 6:06 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda
 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted' and any message deletion action (from the member or from the moderator) results in the message completely disappearing?

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda
 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Linda
 

Hi Mark,  Neat freaks (moi) would prefer for the deleted message to be gone.  No need for: 'This message has been deleted.'  Thanks, Linda
 

Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

 

Hi All,

I had hoped to have the first version of this completed by today, but I ended up having to make a lot of changes to the code and it's not quite ready yet. For this version:

- Members can edit their messages, and if they are moderated (or the group is moderated), their changes will have to be approved by the moderator.
- Members can delete their messages without approval needed. Deleted messages are replaced with 'This message has been deleted'. 
- Moderators with the correct privileges can do all of this as well.
- Edits to messages are kept and are viewable/diffable, just like wiki pages.

One question for you all. Right now there is no way to make a message completely disappear. If a message is deleted, it's replaced with 'This message has been deleted.'. Should I allow moderators to completely nuke a message so that it's like it never happened?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Laurence Taylor
 

On 07 Jan 2015 18:12, Frances wrote:
Hi everyone,

As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month,
day, year.

I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day?
Excellent idea. The US format can be very confusing for dates less than
13! Y-M-D is completely unambiguous.



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locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Linda
 

Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

It's easy enough to make this a user preference option.. Anyone have a good example of a web site that lets users set this preference (ie. which set of date formats should there be)?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

It's easy enough to make this a user preference option.. Anyone have a good example of a web site that lets users set this preference (ie. which set of date formats should there be)?

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Jim Fisher <ejf@...> wrote:
I am strongly of the opinion that, if possible, it should be selectable by each
user. I always use day-month-year. If it must be fixed to a single format, then
year-month-day is the most logical because it is easily sortable, but few
people normally use that format.

Jim Fisher

On 7 Jan 2015 at 19:40, J. Faulkner wrote:

> Not me.  I am a Month, Day, Year person.  If it is possible to choose the
> format, then I say OK, but not have a firm year/Month/Day.  Nope.
>
> Judy F.,
> SW Florida - USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: beta@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io
>
> Frances,
>
>  > As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
>  > Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month,  > day,
>  year. > > I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day? >
>  2015-01-07
>
> My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
> http://xkcd.com/1179/
>
> -- Shal

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locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

I am strongly of the opinion that, if possible, it should be selectable by each
user. I always use day-month-year. If it must be fixed to a single format, then
year-month-day is the most logical because it is easily sortable, but few
people normally use that format.

Jim Fisher

On 7 Jan 2015 at 19:40, J. Faulkner wrote:

Not me. I am a Month, Day, Year person. If it is possible to choose the
format, then I say OK, but not have a firm year/Month/Day. Nope.

Judy F.,
SW Florida - USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

Frances,

> As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
> Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month, > day,
year. > > I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day? >
2015-01-07

My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
http://xkcd.com/1179/

-- Shal
--
http://www.jimella.me.uk - my personal web site covering many subjects
http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom
http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy
http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not
Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Judy F.
 

I think there will be a lot of unhappy people if this is put into effect and not have the option to change it to the normal standard for those of us that prefer the normal mm/dd/yy/ or mm-dd-yy.

Thanks Shal.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:45 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

Judy,

> If it is possible to choose the format, then I say OK, but not have a > firm year/Month/Day.

The proposal would be YYYY-MM-DD (hyphens not slashes, two-digit months and days). That is, 2015-01-07 not 2015/1/7.

Writing code in the '70s I learned to use YYMMDD (no punctuation), because it sorts properly as either a number or as text. But then Y2K came along... ;-)

-- Shal


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

Judy,

If it is possible to choose the format, then I say OK, but not have a
firm year/Month/Day.
The proposal would be YYYY-MM-DD (hyphens not slashes, two-digit months and days). That is, 2015-01-07 not 2015/1/7.

Writing code in the '70s I learned to use YYMMDD (no punctuation), because it sorts properly as either a number or as text. But then Y2K came along... ;-)

-- Shal


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Judy F.
 

Not me. I am a Month, Day, Year person. If it is possible to choose the format, then I say OK, but not have a firm year/Month/Day. Nope.

Judy F.,
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Dates on Groups.io

Frances,

> As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
> Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month, > day, year.
>
> I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day?
> 2015-01-07

My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
http://xkcd.com/1179/

-- Shal


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

Linda
 

Hi Frances,
I would guess that the default mail delivery setting for transferees will be Individual messages. 
 
I'm sure the email notification of transfer will contain a link to the group, which will lead to a login page, where new members of Groups.io will be encouraged to setup a password for the complete Groups.io experience and to change their group subscription settings. 
 
The notification email should suggest Saving the email because it will also have info on the email address of the group (for posting messages) and the group owner email address. 
 
Linda


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

 

Frances,

As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use.
Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month,
day, year.

I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day?
2015-01-07
My favorite take on the subject agrees with your proposal:
http://xkcd.com/1179/

-- Shal


locked Dates on Groups.io

Frances
 

Hi everyone,

As a Canadian, I have to remember the date order that Americans use. Here, some of us tend to use day, month, year. You tend to use month, day, year.

I wonder whether anyone else would like year, month, day? 2015-01-07
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

Then I won’t have to look to see the position of the number bigger 12 to figure out style used!

Frances


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

Frances
 

Perfect!

Frances

On Jan 7 15, at 12:46 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi Frances,


If they are not already a member of Groups.io, what can they do after they are moved from YahooGroups?

Can they post (send emails) to my group?
Or will they have to set up Groups.io accounts first in order to do anything?

Will they get posts emailed to them from other members of the group?

Yep. They will be able to fully participate through email. Only functions accessed through the website require an account with a password.


Mark


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

 

Hi Frances,


If they are not already a member of Groups.io, what can they do after they are moved from YahooGroups?

Can they post (send emails) to my group?
Or will they have to set up Groups.io accounts first in order to do anything?

Will they get posts emailed to them from other members of the group?

Yep. They will be able to fully participate through email. Only functions accessed through the website require an account with a password.


Mark


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

Frances
 

Hi Mark

If they are not already a member of Groups.io, what can they do after they are moved from YahooGroups without further steps on their part? Can they post (send emails) to my group? Will they get posts emailed to them from other members of the group without taking further action?

Or will they have to set up Groups.io accounts first in order to do anything?

I realize they won’t be able to log into the Groups.io website since they won’t have Groups.io passwords.
But for awhile, can they just ignore that they aren’t full Groups.io members? At least until they want to look at older posts, files, wiki, and all those other good things? And still post by email and receive posts by email without creating a Groups.io account?

My thinking - it will be a challenge for them just to remember the right email address for posting! And the unfamiliar way emails are threaded. Etc. Etc.

I assume their current preferences in YahooGroups won’t be carried over - Daily Digest, each message, etc. That might be an enticement to fully join up!

My group is restricted but unmoderated.

Frances




On Jan 7 15, at 12:38 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

If they were already members of Groups.io, their groups.io account wouldn't change. If they had never joined a Groups.io group, their accounts would not have passwords set. If they wanted to log into the web site, they'd go through a process to create a new password for their account. This is the same thing that happens when someone joins a group through email.



locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

 

Frances,

Once the members are "moved" to Groups.io, what does those people have to do? Do they automatically have sign-ins to Groups.io? Does their password follow them? I guess these may seem simplistic, but I would like to know to warn my group members. 

If they were already members of Groups.io, their groups.io account wouldn't change. If they had never joined a Groups.io group, their accounts would not have passwords set. If they wanted to log into the web site, they'd go through a process to create a new password for their account. This is the same thing that happens when someone joins a group through email.

Mark


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

Frances
 

Once the members are "moved" to Groups.io, what does those people have to do? Do they automatically have sign-ins to Groups.io? Does their password follow them? I guess these may seem simplistic, but I would like to know to warn my group members. 

The preparation from my end is easy, thanks to all of you for working that out! 


locked Re: Group transfers feedback so far

 

Marlin,

Mark, a question.... Why bother with a test account?

Why not simply join the group yourself, and then have the owner of
the group find your membership on the membership list, and click on,
"Make Owner".
Brilliant. That would work too, and might be a lot easier for most owners to handle.

They wouldn't need to make Mark's account an owner, the Moderator role with none of the privilege checkboxes marked is sufficient to read the Manage Members list.

-- Shal