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locked Re: New Subscription Options

Nightowl >8#
 

Frances wrote:>>Well, I have been thinking that the only bit I don’t care for is the absence of actual posts on the “home page” of each specific group. Someone who is less confident with the web might be confused when they go to that landing page for their group and they don’t see any messages. They must select “Archive” - perhaps not a particularly useful label.<<

My concern also. Some ideas:

Set a button on the Home page that clearly explains it's taking you to the Message Board or Discussion Board or whatever we wind up calling it. And if you keep using Archive for the label, indicate that it means both past and present posts.
OR
fix it where the last few messages show up on the Home page and when you click on one of them it jumps you into the messages/Archives etc.

Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I think having both Follow and Mute running at the same time is too confusing for most.  It's easier to understand that if you don't normally receive mail, but there are a few types of message that you do want to receive in mail, you Follow.  If you normally receive mail, but there are a few types of messages that you don't want, you Mute.


So if a thread you're following contains a hashtag you hate, tough.  Or you'll have to adjust your mail client's filtering rules.


JohnF


(I'm only pressing ENTER once between these paragraphs, but it's showing a LOT of space between them.  Let's see what it looks like when I press Send.)




locked Re: Replying to messages

Nightowl >8#
 

Hillary's Husband said:>>"Don't reckon much of the way 'Reply' moves to the top of the page, so's you can't see your reply box, but that may just be a linux thing.<<

No, that's not a linux thing. It happens with everyone, but maybe once Mark gets the auto quoting working it will jump us to the bottom and into the reply box instead of up to the top of the page.

Hilary's husband wrote:>>And hitting return gives me two lines worth of space, not one. So I have to backspace a line to tidy things up."<<

That's this stupid editor. ;) Wordpress did it too, and I hated it.Suz hated it too, because she had to clean up all the spaces for me since she was the editor. ;)

If you want a single space, you have to hit Shift-Enter, instead of enter. But no matter what I do, I always screw it up and have bunches of spaces I have to clean up after typing each line.

I wish that there was a way to default to single space with enter, but that's something else to ask Mark down the line...and believe me, I will. Meantime, if you want single spaces, always hit Shift-Enter together and you'll get them.

Brenda





locked Confusing Numbers

 
Edited

As I'm typing this, the last message in the Beta group is #1055, but looking at the Archives in message view, the last page says it's showing messages 1001-1007 of 1007.  Having different numbers like that is confusing.

JohnF


Edit: I was looking with oldest message on top order.  I switched back to the usual newest message on top, and it now says message 1-20 of 1008.  And this is message #1056.  I think I know what's happening.  It's just confusing.



locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

I would prefer a date/time as well, but  I do understand that causes problems at times. If it could be done though, I would like it better.

Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Frances
 

Well, I am okay with advanced options.
But I really don’t want to lose the possibility of First Message Only.
Very appealing to many.

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 10:41 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Shal....

I'm really struggling to understand any of these descriptions. And if I can't understand them, many Yahoo Groups users won't either.

So I have a suggestion:

Give us simple options and advanced options.

Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail

Under Advanced options:

The things you and Mark are describing about muted and followed stuff. That way, people like me who want to collect the messages in e-mail, but read them live on the site, can do it simply, and easily.

I had to have John read both Mark's post and yours on this, and still don't completely understand them. There needs to be a simplified manner, at least at first. Then maybe a help page somewhere to further explain the advanced options.

Brenda











locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

Nightowl >8#
 

Duane wrote:>>Like Brenda, I prefer to use the web site and go to each group to see the archives.  I think she may be confused about the reference to the Inbox though.  Mark was referring to "the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website" which you see at https://groups.io/ once you're signed in.  I've started using it to see where there's been any activity, but still go to each group to read the posts.<<


I am definitely confused about the inbox. I don't even want to use it. I set bookmarks for my groups, and I want to be able to go right to the group itself and be at the archives. Problem is, when I sign in, I am taken right to the Inbox where I don't want to be. So then I have to choose one to get back to the group.

Is it possible to sign in on any group archive page and stay on that page, or will I always be thrown out of the group to the Inbox? Or, is it possible to have a "sign in" page where I can sign in and then choose a group so I'm not thrown out of it right after signing in?

Thanks,

Brenda






locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Nightowl >8#
 

Duane wrote:>>Many Thanks to you for taking this on.  I think you've got another hit on your hands.  Please don't push yourself too hard though, we need you!<<

I second that completely. We don't mean to overwhelm you with problems, bugs, suggestions and feedback. Just gather it all at the pace you need to.

Thanks again,

Brenda


locked Re: Special messages

Marlin47
 

On 1/22/2015 9:50 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:

Alternate idea:

Instead of forcing a member to receive mail if he/she chooses No Mail, how about having a place under NO MAIL that requires them to give an e-mail address that works to the owner so that if they need to contact them, they can.

Brenda

_._,_._,_


For the life of me, I still cannot figure out why a group owner would be concerned if a member is on "no mail".

I would vote for making it not possible for an owner to even know if a member is on no mail, I cannot figure out why it is any of the owner's business.

Marlin


locked Re: Special Notices, it is done

Nightowl >8#
 

Dan wrote:>>Mark is not recreating Yahoo groups here - he's trying to build something even better. Otherwise there would be no reason to move. Dan<<

True, but if the basic things aren't here for the ones that lost them, there's still no reason to move. So some things are absolute deal-breakers for those who need them, such as photos, databases, and add members. Some things may be different, sure, but that doesn't mean the same features are not needed. It was those features being destroyed  that caused our headaches in the first place.

Brenda


locked Re: Special messages

Nightowl >8#
 

I never liked Special Messages, because a) I always forgot to designate it as one before sending out the mails, or b) I never knew what sort of messages qualified for a Special Message.

But as John wrote, there are uses for them and some people do it. I just make it a point to explain in my own groups, that if you have selected Special Messages only, you have effectively selected "No Mail" in my groups.

Brenda



locked Re: Special messages

Nightowl >8#
 

Alternate idea:

Instead of forcing a member to receive mail if he/she chooses No Mail, how about having a place under NO MAIL that requires them to give an e-mail address that works to the owner so that if they need to contact them, they can.

Brenda


locked Re: Disable archives?

Nightowl >8#
 

If you didn't want to call them Messages, you could call them Discussions.


But I agree, unless Archives is defined as both past and current, it could get confusing for many people.

What was the reason Mark didn't want to call them Messages, do you remember?

Brenda


locked Re: cover photo

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>Possibly add an option to disable the width matching so that something like logo art can be used as the group's image, knowing that it will be flanked with background color but without the danger of it being cropped.<<

Bingo. We need some sort of frame box, or colored background frame that we can position the photo in anywhere, and make it work. I tried to make such a frame on Owlperch but it even stretched the frame.

Making the cover photo much more simpler to put up and take down and switch is a huge requirement for many Yahoo Groups. I hope we can find some sort of compromise where it can be simpler.

Brenda


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal....

I'm really struggling to understand any of these descriptions. And if I can't understand them, many Yahoo Groups users won't either.

So I have a suggestion:

Give us simple options and advanced options.

Under simple options, use these concepts:

Individual messages
Daily Digest
Special Notices
No Mail

Under Advanced options:

The things you and Mark are describing about muted and followed stuff. That way, people like me who want to collect the messages in e-mail, but read them live on the site, can do it simply, and easily.

I had to have John read both Mark's post and yours on this, and still don't completely understand them. There needs to be a simplified manner, at least at first. Then maybe a help page somewhere to further explain the advanced options.

Brenda










locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Mark,

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage
makes sense? Too complicated?
Oh, I see what's missing. In my "precedence" proposal (as opposed to your "exclude/include mode proposal") the description of Following Only - "Every message in threads or hashtags you are following is emailed to you" also needs the phrase ", except threads you've muted."


In other words, I think my proposal is simple to understand, use and implement:

1) Following a thread means its messages always appear in your email. Muting a thread means its messages never appear in your email.

2) Following a hashtag means its messages always appear in your email, unless excluded by (1). Muting a hashtag means its messages never appear in your email, unless included by (1).

3) All messages not excluded by rules (1) and (2) appear in your email if you've selected All Messages. Otherwise only rules (1) and (2) apply.

-- Shal


locked Re: Black Nav. bar

Duane
 

The button is a good compromise. I don't have a smartphone or tablet, so I tend not to think of the small screen much. Hopefully it will work with screen readers. Anyone using one?

Thanks,
Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

Mark,

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags,
or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including
things to be delivered to you.
I had imagined one might do both. For example, follow a given hashtag but mute some of the threads that have it. More generally, I had presumed that thread following/muting had priority over hashtags.

Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email
Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what
your Email Delivery setting actually is).
And as if your Message Selection were set to "All Messages" (the union of all your groups' Archives)?

If the Inbox is selected by the "Following Only" control it would seem to (needlessly) mirror the Followed tabs. The web-only user still wants (I think) a place with all threads from which to select the ones of future interest.

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage
makes sense? Too complicated?
I think the concept of distinct exclude and include modes of operation is an unnecessary conceptual complication. And I still think that "Auto Follow Replies" usefully applies also to web-only readers (and hence doesn't belong in a Message Selection option, which I claim ought to be only for email).

So... does that make sense to you?

Or am I the one who's proposing something that will prove too complicated in actual use?

-- Shal


locked Re: Black Nav. bar

 

I generally dislike navbars that never disappear, especially on smaller screens where it takes up real estate. But a scroll to the top button is easy and I agree makes sense. I've added one; let me know if you see any problems. I've also renamed Inbox to Your Inbox.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Firefox under W7HP, the box is there all the time, but scrolls off the top of the screen as I scroll down.

Duane








locked Re: Black Nav. bar

Duane
 

On Firefox under W7HP, the box is there all the time, but scrolls off the top of the screen as I scroll down.

Duane