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locked Re: Appearance of home page

 

Mark - The group name is incorporated into the graphic (take a look at the page to understand), so I'd like the option of transparent, because what the system puts up is extraneous. In Yahoo I wound up changing the name that was displayed on the home page to just a period, which also caused it's own problems. Dano


locked Re: Disable archives?

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Ar I see. Sounds interesting your history. Well it was just an idea anyway. I like how archives can be configured for now, public or private, but it was an idea stemmed from other group providers. You are clearly unique and that is great. Cheers and keep up the good work.

On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:15, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of groups. Without a searchable archives and all the history contained therein, my groups would be no better than Facebook Groups. Our group has a message archive going back to 1998, with almost 84,000 posts. We are by nature a group focused on industrial history. This includes a great number of historical figures some members hold in perhaps exaggerated respect. In the archives are first person accounts from people now deceased. There are also many, many discussions of information turned up in more recent research, and commented on by those who were there at the time. They are so important that I manually copied over 81,600 messages before I was "assimilated by the borg". No, we're not ready to lose our archives.


This is also why having people delete their posts is of concern to me. We have had a number of people who 'took their marbles and went home' because they didn't like what they heard from those who had learned information that poked holes in their beliefs. What those people brought to the discussion was of much value, but today we are left with half a discussion. In my mind, what has been posted is recent historical fact. It reminds me of the joke line about 'what has been seen cannot be unseen'. We constantly struggle to deal with revisionist history, and even allowing posters to edit their messages encourages that. I'd much rather they posted follow-up messages. One sad fact we have to deal with is a previous owner who deleted some of the oldest messages that he thought were not of value. We now have gaping holes that are apparent, even though it was before the current message numbering.


So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!


Dano



locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

Mark,

Feature: perhaps the message footer could contain the message number
in plain view.
I'm concerned about 'footer bloat'. Do you think this would be useful
enough to include?
Certainly a worthy concern. I think the number itself is useful enough, but not a lot of surrounding verbiage. Even the label "Message #" may not be necessary.

Perhaps integrate it with something that's already there, such as:

Message 653, you receive all messages sent to this group.
or even

You receive all messages sent to this group (#653).
That may not work semantically with some of the other subscription choices, I haven't seen those footers.

-- Shal


locked Re: Appearance of home page

 

Mark,

Another, easier but uglier, option is to put a slightly
transparent black box around the text.
Yahoo uses a gradient across the bottom of the image. Less jarring than a hard edge, but dims a larger area of the image.

-- Shal


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Laurence Taylor
 

On 12 Jan 2015 07:24, Feathered Leader wrote:

So in response to the "Please don't make this like Facebook"
comments, my comment is if there is such a thing as an endless
scroll, please please, make it optional.
Seconded. Infinite scrolling is a complete, total, utter pain in the
what-have-you. I want a page to load when I ask it to (which might not
be when I start reading it),I don't want to ahve to wait for it every
time I scroll down, I want to reach the bottom.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Dates on Groups.io

Laurence Taylor
 

On 12 Jan 2015 04:27, Susan B wrote:
Dana In regard to this:
The alternative is to make sure that the date has the
3-letter month, and a full 4-digit year. That eliminates all
confusion, no matter which comes first.

Actually, there is still confusion because some people put the day
before the month and some put the month before the day.
But that doesn't matter if the month is given as a word; neither 15 Jan
or Jan 15 are ambiguous.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Invitation limitations

 

I've updated the invitations page a bit. It now shows the invite email that will go out, dynamically updating it if you enter a customized invite message. The email addresses in the outstanding invites page should not have been clickable (there's no page to go to), so I've changed that as well.

I know that invitations could still use some work (HTML in the custom message, for example). But hopefully this is an improvement.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Cacky B <cackyb@...> wrote:
I would love to have a standard invite that would appear, and possibly be editable before sending.
Cacky

On 1/11/2015 10:45 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

I sent an invitation to one of my groups and realized after I sent it that there's no place to save a standard invitation message. Having that option would save a lot of work reinventing those same messages.

I then went into Invitations and clicked on Outstanding Invitations. Hoping to see the message I'd sent (and maybe copy the text), I clicked on the recipient's email, which was live, and it dumped me into my inbox. Is there a way to review an invitation message that was sent?

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locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

David,


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:36 AM, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:

Two things about search that need attention on Groups IO


The search icon on Groups IO does not work, one must hit enter for a search to work.

I was not aware this was an accessibility issue. I've changed it so that the search icon is clickable. Please let me know if this fixes the problem, and I'll make the change to all the other search boxes on the site.
 

One should be able to search for a group on the main Groups IO page and not have to find a link to a page where this can be done.

Good point. I will add that to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

> Return-Path: <bounce+68+597+129+215@groups.io>

The second number is the message number, 597, and you can put that into the new "Msg Num" search box at the top of the Messages View. My guess is that the first number, 68, identifies the group, don't know about the other two.

129 is your user id, and 215 is your subscription id.


Feature: perhaps the message footer could contain the message number in plain view.

I'm concerned about 'footer bloat'. Do you think this would be useful enough to include?

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Appearance of home page

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:34 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Mark -

This is a very small detail in the scheme of things, but I thought I'd toss it out so you can allow it to marinate. I've created groups on groups.io to replace my groups on Y! I've modified the graphic for the home page of the big group so people arriving at the group would know they're 'home' so to speak. Is there a way to change the color of the group name that groups.io inserts to transparent? You can see what I'm referring to at https://groups.io/org/groupsio/MILW .


I know the issue. Ideally, we need to automatically figure out the 'prominent' color of the background image, and choose a color for the text that provides enough contrast. It can be done, but it's not quite a quick fix. Another, easier but uglier, option is to put a slightly transparent black box around the text. 

I've got this on the todo list to fix.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Receiving own messages

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Ian wrote on 12/8/14:>>If there were a "Return my own posts: Never, If Edited, or Always" button I'd leave it on "Always" - the reflection is an indication that the post has been received and distributed; it could have failed without a bounce message being sent.<<

Absolutely. I always have my own posts come back to me in e-mail. That also another way I can archive them, especially when Yahoo NEO prevented the expanded message view archiving I used to be able to do.


We do send your messages back to you (assuming you're not on digest or one of the other subscription options). It's your email program that hides the message.. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do to change this.

Mark 


locked Re: Views on Inbox page

 

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:07 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

When I click on the [GROUPS.IO] in the upper left hand corner of the page, it takes me to my inbox. This is great because I can see what's going on everywhere at once. However I can only see it in Thread View. Can it be set up like the individual Archives view with [Thread View], [Message View], and [Expanded Message View]?

That's a good idea. I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: A couple of questions

 

Brenda,


On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Something to note, as you are reading in Chronological order using Next, if you suddenly find yourself at the current message numbers, it means there was a post deleted. I found that out, but if you put the #'s in one at a time, you get back on track.

Example, I read #19, hit next. It took me to the newest posts. Hit back, inputted #20, same thing, hit back, inputted #21 same thing, hit back, inputted #22, got back on track.

That shouldn't happen. When using the previous and next links, it should skip over any deleted/missing messages. If you can reproduce this not happening correctly, please send me a link to my corp.groups.io address and I'll take a look.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Attachments to messages

 

I've added this to the todo list.

Mark

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Dano,

> Is there a setting a member could change in their own preferences that
> would send them the message with a link instead of the full attachment
> if they have system limitations?

Good suggestion.

I'd always wished Yahoo Groups had made the "Include as link" option be something the member set for their email address, rather than a group-wide setting. Perhaps even with a cutoff value which would allow small attachments, but send a link for larger ones.

-- Shal







locked Re: Invitation limitations

Cacky B
 

I would love to have a standard invite that would appear, and possibly be editable before sending.
Cacky

On 1/11/2015 10:45 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

I sent an invitation to one of my groups and realized after I sent it that there's no place to save a standard invitation message. Having that option would save a lot of work reinventing those same messages.

I then went into Invitations and clicked on Outstanding Invitations. Hoping to see the message I'd sent (and maybe copy the text), I clicked on the recipient's email, which was live, and it dumped me into my inbox. Is there a way to review an invitation message that was sent?

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locked Re: Edits, deletions, moderation, oh my!

Laurence Taylor
 

On 09 Jan 2015 23:17, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hmm, ok. So should I just get rid of the 'This message has been deleted'
and any message deletion action (from the member or from the moderator)
results in the message completely disappearing?
I would say remove it from the public view, but leave it visible to the
moderator, together with a note of who deleted it.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Group transfers

Frances
 

Hi Brenda,

Interesting point about archives.

BTW, Linda is well aware what has happened over the years. Her non-commercial travel discussion group has been around since March 1999. I am proud to be a moderator!

Frances


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

I haven't tried this yet (plan to set up a group later!) - but can voice recognition software interface with the groups? They took that away in Yahoo and as a disabled used I sometimes (regularly!) need to use it

On 12 January 2015 at 11:36, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:


It is not just accessibility with continuous scroll.  The database Summon when they went from the 1.0 version to the 2.0 version went from individual pages of search results to continuous scroll which I detest in any such application of archived content.  In Google, Google Scholar, Google Books searches one can take the link to a specific page of search results so that one can go back to where they left off in looking at the results or just remember the page number one was on.  This is simply not possible in the world of scroll, one link for the entire result takes on to the very beginning of the search result.  The same is true for the archives in general and for search results of archives in Yahoo Groups, not to mention the search tool on Yahoo has major issues and behaves very erratically.

Two things about search that need attention on Groups IO


The search icon on Groups IO does not work, one must hit enter for a search to work.


One should be able to search for a group on the main Groups IO page and not have to find a link to a page where this can be done.

For any interested, Summon at Temple can be found here and is available for all to use.

http://library.temple.edu

Here are examples of Summon in use compared to other search tools.


http://tinyurl.com/ps6uz7k


Between continuous scroll and walking a straight line to ones right to facilitate the abstract pop up for individual records to show up, this database has become an accessibility and usability nightmare.  This in a database whose content is invaluable. It may cover more ground than Google Scholar and Google Books combined, it certainly is a critical place to look when one needs content on a subject of interest.

Here, for example, is what this database indexes regarding email groups:

http://tinyurl.com/kkwug97

...

...


Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...

Research Guides
https://sites.google.com/site/researchguidesonsites/


RESEARCH PAPER WRITING
http://guides.temple.edu/research-papers
EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-guide
INTERNSHIPS
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-internships
HOSPITALITY
http://guides.temple.edu/hospitality-guide
DISABILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/c.php?g=134557





On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Feathered Leader wrote:


Once again, replying to an older message:

Shal wrote on 11/21/14:>>Infinite scroll suits some people. Notably Yahoo Groups and Groups.io have both adopted that style
for for presenting message lists and messages in topic.<<

And that implementation alone was one of the worst things they did to us. Many people, including me, cannot handle infinite
scroll. My hands go numb and fingers tingle. Handicapped people couldn't handle it, it was an absolute nightmare. We always
depended on the page view, which thankfully, Mark has included here, and we always counted on being about to use message
numbers.

I am on Twitter, I admit it, as @featheredleader. But I got on Twitter to crusade against Yahoo. Mind you, it came in handy
also when Ferguson Missouri found itself in the midst of rioting and arson, (Yes, I live very near there, and grew up there),
but even then I can't handle endless scroll. Only reason I can handle it some on Twitter is I use a Mouse with a button
command.

So in response to the "Please don't make this like Facebook" comments, my comment is if there is such a thing as an endless
scroll, please please, make it optional.

My biggest problem with Facebook however, has little to do with how it's formatted in general. It has to do with how it
works...where everyone and their brother can link and connect to you and see your posts and three parties down's posts and
etc. NO privacy, NO protection.

If I wanted to be that connected, I wouldn't have stayed with Yahoo Groups as long as I have.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#












locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of groups. Without a searchable archives and all the history contained therein, my groups would be no better than Facebook Groups. Our group has a message archive going back to 1998, with almost 84,000 posts. We are by nature a group focused on industrial history. This includes a great number of historical figures some members hold in perhaps exaggerated respect. In the archives are first person accounts from people now deceased. There are also many, many discussions of information turned up in more recent research, and commented on by those who were there at the time. They are so important that I manually copied over 81,600 messages before I was "assimilated by the borg". No, we're not ready to lose our archives.


This is also why having people delete their posts is of concern to me. We have had a number of people who 'took their marbles and went home' because they didn't like what they heard from those who had learned information that poked holes in their beliefs. What those people brought to the discussion was of much value, but today we are left with half a discussion. In my mind, what has been posted is recent historical fact. It reminds me of the joke line about 'what has been seen cannot be unseen'. We constantly struggle to deal with revisionist history, and even allowing posters to edit their messages encourages that. I'd much rather they posted follow-up messages. One sad fact we have to deal with is a previous owner who deleted some of the oldest messages that he thought were not of value. We now have gaping holes that are apparent, even though it was before the current message numbering.


So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!


Dano


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

David P. Dillard
 

It is not just accessibility with continuous scroll. The database Summon when they went from the 1.0 version to the 2.0 version went from individual pages of search results to continuous scroll which I detest in any such application of archived content. In Google, Google Scholar, Google Books searches one can take the link to a specific page of search results so that one can go back to where they left off in looking at the results or just remember the page number one was on. This is simply not possible in the world of scroll, one link for the entire result takes on to the very beginning of the search result. The same is true for the archives in general and for search results of archives in Yahoo Groups, not to mention the search tool on Yahoo has major issues and behaves very erratically.

Two things about search that need attention on Groups IO


The search icon on Groups IO does not work, one must hit enter for a search to work.


One should be able to search for a group on the main Groups IO page and not have to find a link to a page where this can be done.

For any interested, Summon at Temple can be found here and is available for all to use.

http://library.temple.edu

Here are examples of Summon in use compared to other search tools.


http://tinyurl.com/ps6uz7k


Between continuous scroll and walking a straight line to ones right to facilitate the abstract pop up for individual records to show up, this database has become an accessibility and usability nightmare. This in a database whose content is invaluable. It may cover more ground than Google Scholar and Google Books combined, it certainly is a critical place to look when one needs content on a subject of interest.

Here, for example, is what this database indexes regarding email groups:

http://tinyurl.com/kkwug97

..

..


Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

Research Guides
https://sites.google.com/site/researchguidesonsites/


RESEARCH PAPER WRITING
http://guides.temple.edu/research-papers
EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-guide
INTERNSHIPS
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-internships
HOSPITALITY
http://guides.temple.edu/hospitality-guide
DISABILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/c.php?g=134557

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Feathered Leader wrote:

Once again, replying to an older message:
Shal wrote on 11/21/14:>>Infinite scroll suits some people. Notably Yahoo Groups and Groups.io have both adopted that style
for for presenting message lists and messages in topic.<<
And that implementation alone was one of the worst things they did to us. Many people, including me, cannot handle infinite
scroll. My hands go numb and fingers tingle. Handicapped people couldn't handle it, it was an absolute nightmare. We always
depended on the page view, which thankfully, Mark has included here, and we always counted on being about to use message
numbers.
I am on Twitter, I admit it, as @featheredleader. But I got on Twitter to crusade against Yahoo. Mind you, it came in handy
also when Ferguson Missouri found itself in the midst of rioting and arson, (Yes, I live very near there, and grew up there),
but even then I can't handle endless scroll. Only reason I can handle it some on Twitter is I use a Mouse with a button
command.
So in response to the "Please don't make this like Facebook" comments, my comment is if there is such a thing as an endless
scroll, please please, make it optional.
My biggest problem with Facebook however, has little to do with how it's formatted in general. It has to do with how it
works...where everyone and their brother can link and connect to you and see your posts and three parties down's posts and
etc. NO privacy, NO protection.
If I wanted to be that connected, I wouldn't have stayed with Yahoo Groups as long as I have.
Brenda
Nightowl >8#