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locked Re: Email messages to list-owners and moderators

 

Hi Frances,

Nothing's changed on our end, and as far as I remember, we don't change the subject line like that. If you'd like to forward one of the messages to markf@corp.groups.io, I can take a look at it.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

I am not sure whether it is a configuration issue or my email program, but messages today from me to the moderators were relayed to the moderators  (and thus to my inbox) as raw. 

Additionally, the subject line was  changed to "Message from moderators". That is not helpful! 

I am a group moderator and use Apple Mail 8.1




locked Email messages to list-owners and moderators

Frances
 

I am not sure whether it is a configuration issue or my email program, but messages today from me to the moderators were relayed to the moderators  (and thus to my inbox) as raw. 

Additionally, the subject line was  changed to "Message from moderators". That is not helpful! 

I am a group moderator and use Apple Mail 8.1



locked Re: Bug in message formatting - strikethrough doesn't "stick".

 

I wrote:

Yahoo used to publish in a help page the whitelist of HTML tags that it
would allow in Group descriptions and messages. It applied that
whitelist even to message bodies passed through as individual messages.
They took down that help page a few years ago and replaced it with "try
it and see, you're on your own if it doesn't work".
I stand corrected, the explicit list is back.

"Using HTML or CSS in Yahoo Groups messages"
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2506.html

The last time I looked for it I only found this one:

"Customer Care does not provide support for using HTML or other scripts in Yahoo Groups"
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN4501.html

-- Shal


locked Update

 

Hey All,

Unfortunately, I couldn't get the Files section finished up and launched in the time I had hoped. With Thanksgiving, I won't be able to finish it until next week. 

For those of you in America, have a good Thanksgiving.. And for everyone else, I hope you have a great Thursday!

Mark


locked Re: View selections

Linda
 

Thank YOU, Mark, that's perfect!
 
Linda

Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] View selections

Linda,

I just pushed to the site the ability to edit/delete/reply to messages while in the expanded message view.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Hope you plan to allow editing/deleting of the expanded messages...?
Thanks,
Linda
 


locked Re: View selections

 

Linda,

I just pushed to the site the ability to edit/delete/reply to messages while in the expanded message view.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Hope you plan to allow editing/deleting of the expanded messages...?
Thanks,
Linda
 


locked Re: Seeing the group members list and email addresses

L Jade <ljade2011@...>
 

Thanks Mark.  Excellent information.  And the fact that the groups.io Owners can control the access to member lists as you described is a great feature!


From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Seeing the group members list and email addresses

(Replying only to beta, since this email address isn't subscribed to GMF).

Howdy and welcome to beta. Access to member lists is controlled by the group owner(s); options include allowing subscribers to see the member list, restricting it to moderators and owners only, or restricting it to just owners.

We do not do any obscuring of email addresses in the emails that get sent to the group, except in the case where DMARC comes into play (you have a Yahoo email address, so we have to change the From header of any email you send through the group, for example). We do obscure all email addresses in the archives.

Mark



On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, L Jade via GROUPS.IO <user+470@groups.io> wrote:
I noticed that in all of the Public Groups, anyone can join and anyone who joins can see the email addresses of everyone else who is in the group.

Does it work the same way for a Restricted Group? -- meaning that once I join (assuming that I am accepted into the group), I will be able to see the email addresses of everyone in the group and everyone else in the group will be able to see my email address?  Is there a way for Owners and Moderators to hide the email addresses so they won't be visible to everyone else in the group?

I am going to try posting these questions in the beta group also.  And, I am going to try it by ""cross-posting" to both groups at the same time by including both group posting addresses in the "To:" part of the email that I send.

Thanks.




locked Re: Seeing the group members list and email addresses

 

(Replying only to beta, since this email address isn't subscribed to GMF).

Howdy and welcome to beta. Access to member lists is controlled by the group owner(s); options include allowing subscribers to see the member list, restricting it to moderators and owners only, or restricting it to just owners.

We do not do any obscuring of email addresses in the emails that get sent to the group, except in the case where DMARC comes into play (you have a Yahoo email address, so we have to change the From header of any email you send through the group, for example). We do obscure all email addresses in the archives.

Mark

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM, L Jade via GROUPS.IO <user+470@groups.io> wrote:
I noticed that in all of the Public Groups, anyone can join and anyone who joins can see the email addresses of everyone else who is in the group.

Does it work the same way for a Restricted Group? -- meaning that once I join (assuming that I am accepted into the group), I will be able to see the email addresses of everyone in the group and everyone else in the group will be able to see my email address?  Is there a way for Owners and Moderators to hide the email addresses so they won't be visible to everyone else in the group?

I am going to try posting these questions in the beta group also.  And, I am going to try it by ""cross-posting" to both groups at the same time by including both group posting addresses in the "To:" part of the email that I send.

Thanks.



locked Seeing the group members list and email addresses

L Jade <ljade2011@...>
 

I noticed that in all of the Public Groups, anyone can join and anyone who joins can see the email addresses of everyone else who is in the group.

Does it work the same way for a Restricted Group? -- meaning that once I join (assuming that I am accepted into the group), I will be able to see the email addresses of everyone in the group and everyone else in the group will be able to see my email address?  Is there a way for Owners and Moderators to hide the email addresses so they won't be visible to everyone else in the group?

I am going to try posting these questions in the beta group also.  And, I am going to try it by ""cross-posting" to both groups at the same time by including both group posting addresses in the "To:" part of the email that I send.

Thanks.


locked Re: Digest problems

 

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:22 AM, <whofanvidme@...> wrote:

I'm on digest for this group and have received about five copies of the first two messages in this thread as well as two copies (so far) featuring the responses. None of my other groups have had messages added recently, so I don't know if it's a general problem or not.

_._,_._
There were two different issues with digest generation over the past couple nights. I didn't think they would have resulted in extra digests being sent, which is why I didn't mention anything, but apparently I was wrong. Things have been fixed, and you shouldn't see any additional extra digests.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: View selections

 

I'm on digest for this group and have received about five copies of the first two messages in this thread as well as two copies (so far) featuring the responses. None of my other groups have had messages added recently, so I don't know if it's a general problem or not.


locked Re: View selections

ro-esp
 

Shal wrote:


> I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date           > sorting  order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.


I agree with that. The main thing for me would be the ability to read either threads or all messages in chronological order, that is, from old to new and not the other way around (like it is in facebook)

                                                                                           groetjes, Ronaldo                                                                                        


locked Re: View selections

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
Hope you plan to allow editing/deleting of the expanded messages...?
Thanks,
Linda
 

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] View selections

Hey All,

I have been paying attention to the discussion, but I'm not sure yet what the right answer for all this is. But I did just add an option in archives for 'Expanded Message View' which gets you the individual messages displayed in date order.

Mark

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
LAurence,

> I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use.

I don't mind a settings pages either, they are perfectly appropriate for some controls.

In Groups.io examples would be the controls in one's "Edit Profile" pages, or the choice of Email Delivery in one's Subscription page.

But I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date sorting order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.

It can be even better if they are direct affordances, rather than choices in a menu. This can be subtle (the fact that the "Date" button immediately flips the order, rather than opening a menu where you need a second click to select "latest" or "oldest" first).

Or it can be more integrated. Such as having a movable bar on the screen that separates the message list from the preview of the selected message - and being able to turn off preview by simply sliding that bar all the way to the edge of the window. No menu needed.

But I'm not really a UI/UX expert, so I'll just throw the ideas out there without claiming that they are certainly the best (or even a better) way to do it. Sometimes it is more important to do things in a consistent fashion than to do a particular thing in the "slickest" fashion. A coherent UI goes a long way to making a site feel natural and easy to use, even if it has lots of powerful capabilities.

That's a lesson Yahoo badly failed in the Neo redesign. Every type of list of messages (pending, possible spam, archive, search results, and pending Pinboard posts when that existed) has a different appearance and different affordances for viewing, navigating, and interacting with the messages. That tends to make a site feel complex even when it can't actually do much.

-- Shal



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locked Re: View selections

 

Hey All,

I have been paying attention to the discussion, but I'm not sure yet what the right answer for all this is. But I did just add an option in archives for 'Expanded Message View' which gets you the individual messages displayed in date order.

Mark

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
LAurence,

> I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use.

I don't mind a settings pages either, they are perfectly appropriate for some controls.

In Groups.io examples would be the controls in one's "Edit Profile" pages, or the choice of Email Delivery in one's Subscription page.

But I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date sorting order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.

It can be even better if they are direct affordances, rather than choices in a menu. This can be subtle (the fact that the "Date" button immediately flips the order, rather than opening a menu where you need a second click to select "latest" or "oldest" first).

Or it can be more integrated. Such as having a movable bar on the screen that separates the message list from the preview of the selected message - and being able to turn off preview by simply sliding that bar all the way to the edge of the window. No menu needed.

But I'm not really a UI/UX expert, so I'll just throw the ideas out there without claiming that they are certainly the best (or even a better) way to do it. Sometimes it is more important to do things in a consistent fashion than to do a particular thing in the "slickest" fashion. A coherent UI goes a long way to making a site feel natural and easy to use, even if it has lots of powerful capabilities.

That's a lesson Yahoo badly failed in the Neo redesign. Every type of list of messages (pending, possible spam, archive, search results, and pending Pinboard posts when that existed) has a different appearance and different affordances for viewing, navigating, and interacting with the messages. That tends to make a site feel complex even when it can't actually do much.

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locked Re: View selections

 

LAurence,

I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use.
I don't mind a settings pages either, they are perfectly appropriate for some controls.

In Groups.io examples would be the controls in one's "Edit Profile" pages, or the choice of Email Delivery in one's Subscription page.

But I wouldn't want to have to go to the Subscription page to switch the Archive View between "Threads" and "Messages", nor to flip the date sorting order; I believe those (and the new controls I suggested) properly belong "in situ" - easily accessible on the page they control.

It can be even better if they are direct affordances, rather than choices in a menu. This can be subtle (the fact that the "Date" button immediately flips the order, rather than opening a menu where you need a second click to select "latest" or "oldest" first).

Or it can be more integrated. Such as having a movable bar on the screen that separates the message list from the preview of the selected message - and being able to turn off preview by simply sliding that bar all the way to the edge of the window. No menu needed.

But I'm not really a UI/UX expert, so I'll just throw the ideas out there without claiming that they are certainly the best (or even a better) way to do it. Sometimes it is more important to do things in a consistent fashion than to do a particular thing in the "slickest" fashion. A coherent UI goes a long way to making a site feel natural and easy to use, even if it has lots of powerful capabilities.

That's a lesson Yahoo badly failed in the Neo redesign. Every type of list of messages (pending, possible spam, archive, search results, and pending Pinboard posts when that existed) has a different appearance and different affordances for viewing, navigating, and interacting with the messages. That tends to make a site feel complex even when it can't actually do much.

-- Shal


locked Re: View selections

Laurence Taylor
 

On 21/11/2014 23:49, Shal Farley wrote:
Laurence,

> If it could be turned on or off by the user, that would be nice for
> both camps.

Actually, I shouldn't have used the word "options", as that might imply
needing to go to a settings page somewhere to change it. What I mean is
an immediately accessible control to let the individual user choose the
viewing style that suits that user's needs of the moment. The user's
choice should be remembered from session to session, naturally.
I don't mind a settings page, as long as it's easy to find and use. Some
are so hidden and convoluted I suspect the compay doesn't want anyone to
use them.


--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Files

 

Hi All,

Fyi, I know I've been quiet the last couple of days; I've been working to finish up the Files section. I hope to launch it early next week.

Thanks,
Mark


locked View selections (was: "Like" for the email-centric)

 

Laurence,

If it could be turned on or off by the user, that would be nice for
both camps.
Actually, I shouldn't have used the word "options", as that might imply needing to go to a settings page somewhere to change it. What I mean is an immediately accessible control to let the individual user choose the viewing style that suits that user's needs of the moment. The user's choice should be remembered from session to session, naturally.

An example would be Gmail's button to select whether the screen has a preview split horizontally, vertically, or not at all. Combine that with a selection for whether the list is "slim" (one line per item), "relaxed" (a bit of summary per item), or "expanded" (each message presented in full) and a third selection for whether the list is infinite scroll or paginated and that would cover the bases I can think of.

In Groups.io's Archive, there are presently two view controls: the Thread versus Message buttons, and the Date order selection. I'd add these three to the right, alongside the Date order. Like the Date order, they would apply equally to the Thread or Message list.

The only question is whether those three view controls would be too "fussy" or potentially confusing. I don't think so, because each would have a natural and immediately visible effect. People would quickly learn to select what they like. On the other hand, KISS is still a valid principle.

-- Shal


On 21/11/2014 21:50, Shal Farley wrote:

What I would suggest would be to have some list/message viewing
options, with facile ways to switch among them, so that one can
choose the style that works best for what you're doing at the moment.


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

Laurence Taylor
 

On 21/11/2014 21:50, Shal Farley wrote:

Infinite scroll suits some people. Notably Yahoo Groups and Groups.io
have both adopted that style for for presenting message lists and
messages in topic.
Infinite scroll doesn't suit me at all. I want to get to the bottom of
the screen - especially if I want to save it!

What I would suggest would be to have some list/message viewing options,
with facile ways to switch among them, so that one can choose the style
that works best for what you're doing at the moment.
If it could be turned on or off by the user, that would be nice for both
camps.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: "Like" for the email-centric (was First Impressions of Groups.io)

 

Ian,

Excuse me, young sir, but do I detect a hint of prejudice?
Hmm... I guess Tyrannosaurs were never known for their sense of humor. Or whichever form of thunder lizard that is agape in your profile photo. When you quoted me you left out a relevant adjunct to the sentence:

Definitely bucking the Texting/Twitter/Facebook trend. ;-)
As it happens I have been using Facebook for a few years now, even run a group there and have notes there. I and some of my friends are no strangers to lengthy and well researched posts and replies.

There is absolutely no reason why this particular thread should not
be formatted in the Facebook style.
Infinite scroll suits some people. Notably Yahoo Groups and Groups.io have both adopted that style for for presenting message lists and messages in topic.

For rapidly catching up on what's new in my email I tend to prefer either a page per message style, or a list with preview style, where I can move from message to message with a single keyboard click and the next message always starts at the same position on the screen. That lets me take in the gist of each message at a glance and move on to the next with minimum fuss.

What I would suggest would be to have some list/message viewing options, with facile ways to switch among them, so that one can choose the style that works best for what you're doing at the moment.

-- Shal