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Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

one of the members of MM joined my MMSanctuary group and has this question:

"Brenda, I joined your group on groups.io and I am trying to figure out how to use it.  So far I have one really big aggravation.  Any time I click on anything, it wants me to log in again.  Is this normal?"

Any idea what's wrong?

Brenda


locked Re: Disable archives?

Steve Weinberg
 

Shal, Thanks for the response. I'll keep looking.

I'd hope that with io groups, though, at least the "new" io group messages would be in archives that the group owner could download if desired.

Steve
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Sent from Steve's iPhone

On Jan 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Steve,

If you transfer an old Ygroup to a new io group, is there also some
provision for transferring the message archives, as well?
It has been mentioned, but nothing implemented or planned yet, that I know of.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/171

-- Shal


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Steve,

If you transfer an old Ygroup to a new io group, is there also some
provision for transferring the message archives, as well?
It has been mentioned, but nothing implemented or planned yet, that I know of.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/171

-- Shal


locked Re: Disable archives?

Steve Weinberg
 

Guys, I'm new here at io.

I think I got here because I was on a journey to try and download the message archives of various YGroups I've been running for years and years Ran into a dead end.

If you transfer an old Ygroup to a new io group, is there also some provision for transferring the message archives, as well?

Steve

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On Jan 13, 2015, at 2:18 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Dano,

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of
groups. ...
So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!
I don't think that was the proposal. I think the proposal was that the Archives have an access control option that includes "Off".

I don't think I would use it in any of my groups, and clearly neither would you. But that doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there - for those groups where it would be appropriate. I've long maintained that the genius of Yahoo Groups lay partly in its adaptability - even to use cases beyond the imagination of its current users or developers.

That doesn't mean having options for everything. But a well-designed and fleshed out set of controls can be both easy to understand and provide unexpectedly useful combinations.

-- Shal


locked Re: Just finished reading the archives here

 

On 1/13/2015 1:02 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
On the To-do list:
https://trello.com/c/aCx3vc2d/3-easy-group-transfers
Thank you - haven't had time to do extensive poking around.

dg


locked Re: Jump to the beginning/end

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:55 PM, JohnF via GROUPS.IO <user+1242@groups.io> wrote:

So my suggestion is, how about "First Page" "<<" and "Last Page" ">>" buttons on either side, that jump to the beginning or end.  I could have done that, and then backed up a couple of pages to find all of today's messages..

Good suggestion. I've added it to the list.

Thanks,
Mark 


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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:14 PM, <dalemonator@...> wrote:
There's an Instagram integration feature available now.  If I understand it right, that would at least alert your group when something new was posted to the Instagram account, I think?  I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure.  A little round-about maybe, but if you try it, let us know how it goes. 
 
Correct. Whenever someone posts to the Instagram account you've set the integration to, you get an email with the photo in it.

Mark 


locked Re: Some more suggestions #suggestion

 

Tyger,

Thank you for your help with organization. I really appreciate it, especially the use of hashtags!

All, since things are being tagged, if you're not interested in discussion about a particular feature, you can mute that hashtag and never see any of the messages about it. In the message footers, there are links to mute the thread or any hashtags the thread is a part of.

Thanks,
Mark

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:13 PM, <dalemonator@...> wrote:
 
I am sure there will soon be a number of additional users joining this group as the word spreads.  In light of that, I am of the opinion a little bit of additional organization will help us and Mark both keep ideas and feedback more easily accessible.  People seem to be embracing the hastags, and I think that's a great way to help keep our ideas easily grabbed my Mark and any team he may have.  I have a couple other suggestions on the process here that might help.  Let me know what you may think of it. 
 
Disclaimer: I don't mean to assume any degree of "official" coordination here.  I do similar coordination of users and technology at work, so I slip into it naturally.  For all I know, one of you wonderful folks will say two sentences after this that makes all my typing irrelevant.  :)  I always bow to the better ideas.  Here I go anyway.
 
Helping Prioritize Most Relevant Features
Obviously, some things are easier to create than others, but as Mark gets more users, more things will be suggested and we may need some way to sort out what is a priority as the group swells beyond what 1 person can be expected to wrangle just by reading threads.  I may be a little premature here, but better to get ahead of a possible issue perhaps?
 
On that subject I had a couple thoughts.
 
1) I see two general features as priority items so far: Photos and Databases.  I know photos is already underway, and see it as a priority because a lot of groups share photos as a reason for their existsance, or otherwise would find it a nice feature to use.  Common, popular, and very useful, nuff said.  I suggest Databases as an equal priority to Photos because we know that Yahoo hosed theirs up, and so many groups are in the market for a new home specifically because of that.  These two features would help increase appeal and get more testers and feedback available sooner.  Local activity groups make a good degree of use of that type feature for things like address lists, etc. so it could be helpful to them right away.  Plus the more reminiscent of our old homes the better. :)  This is not to exclude any things in the works now, or trivialize anyone else's thoughts, just an observation of two features likely to bring the most gains soonest.
 
2) Polls.  Polls I suggest not because I  feel they are as frequently used as the other two features, but because they would make a great feature on a group such as this one, so that Mark can get a quick read on the popularity of certain features that might take a little while to roll out, or compete with demand for other features.  He can also respond to user interest with more frequent updates if he sees something is on fire..  Even if limited to this group as a testbed, it could be a helpful tool.  Personally I would love to see this feature included down the line some day regardless.  It was a nice feature to have.  More on that on a seperate thread though.
 
That's my pitch.  I'll start a wishlist hashtag for these items in the meantime to help collect some of the feedback on each feature in general.  Let me know if you think I'm on the right track, I am just sort of carrying on ideas I had on the way home..  :)
 
No matter what, I could not be happier about this service.  More on that later too.  Over to wiser minds than mine, aka all of you. 
 
-Tyger 
 



locked Re: Just finished reading the archives here

 

dg,

Maybe a one-time "mass" add option?
If you go to the "Upgrade" tab in your group's Settings page you'll see that there is a Group Transfer plan. A month of unlimited adding for $10.

For those of us with a yGroup who want to move to another platform,
being able to migrate an entire group membership, when all of the group
are willing and trust us to move them without having to do anything on
their own - maximum approve the add - would be really helpful in moving
groups from YG to *any* other platform.
On the To-do list:
https://trello.com/c/aCx3vc2d/3-easy-group-transfers

-- Shal


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

Dano,

Disabling the message archives would remove one of the great features of
groups. ...
So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!
I don't think that was the proposal. I think the proposal was that the Archives have an access control option that includes "Off".

I don't think I would use it in any of my groups, and clearly neither would you. But that doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there - for those groups where it would be appropriate. I've long maintained that the genius of Yahoo Groups lay partly in its adaptability - even to use cases beyond the imagination of its current users or developers.

That doesn't mean having options for everything. But a well-designed and fleshed out set of controls can be both easy to understand and provide unexpectedly useful combinations.

-- Shal


locked New Group for Owl Updates

Nightowl >8#
 

Hey all,

I haven't caught up in here tonight, too much going on, and it's almost 3 a.m. already, but I wanted to let you all know that I made a new group where you can check and see what's going on with me. It's public archives, so anyone can read it, and located here:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/owlperch

I'm not encouraging everyone to join it, as it's mostly for discussion with the Yahoo Crusade group of people that help me out, but if for example, I'm in a conversation with you in here and suddenly disappear, that's where I would explain it.

Thanks for understanding, catch you tomorrow.

Brenda


locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Might work for others, but our group doesn’t charge a fee like eBay, etc. do. We don’t get involved with any money as such, because once a member places the ad on the group, the buyer replies directly to the seller and the money transaction is between them.   Has worked very well with us having over 17,000 members.   

 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: dalemonator@... [mailto:dalemonator@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:52 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: RE: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

 

That brings up an interesting thought:

 

What about a "sales" page/feature that not only works like you describe but also integrates with services like paypal (if you are daring, maybe even bitcoin).  Paypal integration could also allow people to donate to a non-profit group, or just help keep the premium group funding going.  Money transactions going through the product does get much trickier I'm sure, but why not see about it? 

 

Thanks for the info on how you would use a photo feature.  Just to clarify, I'm personally in favor of anything people need for what they do!  Options are what make a service great.  Keep them coming!

 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:21 PM
From: "J. Faulkner" <jfaulkner44@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

I moderate a buying and selling group that uses photos to show what item they are selling.  I have a requirement that I think is pretty much just the opposite of some of yours. 

 

1) we need two lines like Yahoo has now when you click Edit to provide information about the item and also the email address of the person selling the item.

2) no comments.  So if this could be turned off for the group that would solve that problem.  Our members contact the seller directly  so the photo is more or less just for viewing

3) an easy way for the seller to delete the photo if the item sells

4) photos do not need to be approved by a moderator

5) option to show latest posted photos first. 

6) currently Yahoo has a Photostream.  If we have something similar to this (in addition to the various albums) but have the information that was added to the photos that would be great

7) we use various albums and create new albums each month.  At all times we have the current month albums and the previous month.  Allow the naming convention to have the previous months albums below the current month.  I do that now by having an asterisk space before the album name for the current month and only the album name for the previous month. 

 

Note:  there are a lot of embroidery/sewing/quilting groups that use the photos basically the same way also.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: dalemonator@... [mailto:dalemonator@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

 

 

Some things I would like to see in a photos feature:

 

  • Ability to create albums (possibly with a cover photo).
  • Navigation through an album with a left/right button on each side of the photo.  Not only current style, but also most easily mobile compatible.  Style isn't critical to me personally though. 
  • Ability to add a title and description to each photo. 
  • Ability to hashtag a photo, perhaps in a special section rather than the title or description.
  • Ability to comment on photos and reply to comments.  As I picture it, these would not go to the group or archives, but remain on the photos section.  Mods would be able to edit or delete these, as with any other content.  I guess you wouldn't need a description section if the comments idea could work.  Just add the first comment when you post it.  Comments either would not show up in the Navigator view I mentioned above, or else perhaps show up on the side Facebook style (I know, I know, FB bad ;) ).  Enable an option either way when creating the album maybe? 
  • Ability to rate photos with stars (1-4 or 5), thumbs (+/-), likes (+ only) or votes (#+/-), as the (mod/creator of the album) prefers. 
  • Ability to flag a photo as inappropriate.  This would notify the owner and designated mods, so that a review of the item can be made, and it can be removed/blocked if it violates group policies.  The flag would otherwise be invisible to other users so as not to provoke issues between members.  Mods would be able to see who flagged the picture.

That's all I have for now, what would you like to see in a photo section?

 

 

 


locked Re: Disable archives?

 

On 1/12/2015 4:15 AM, D R Stinson wrote:

So delete my message archives?? You might as well delete my group!
I agree. To some point. A mod/owner should be able to delete an
inappropriate post if some "member" passes enough tests to get a
full-post priv - and then posts inappropriate posts. Or legitimate
members who get hacked/spoofed.

Removing an individual post at the request of the individual could
require a request to the -owner account with the reason for the
removal. Someone who has found that their account was hacked/spoofed
and are posting erroneous info - no brainer. Someone who has changed
their mind about their original post - I'd recommend they refer to
their original post and write a new one with their changed opinion,
and a referral to the OP - or even as a reply to the OP with the
newly learned info.

dg


locked Re: Disable archives?

RS
 

Thinking about this, my experience in using Groups has been that very rarely would people create a group without archives.  That said, I personally was part of one that didn't save messages years ago.  Here's why.  It was a moderators group, and we occasionally spoke very frankly about certain members.  We were also friends with them, and would never want our thoughts as mods relating to the greater good of the group to be accidentally revealed due to a glitch in privacy settings or some other unforeseen issue, as Yahoo was known to have.  If they were ever invited as a mod, some things would cause un-necessary situations.  So, it can occur, but in 12+ years of group use, that's the only time I can think of I came across a reason for one.  Having the option available might be handy for some groups, but I suspect it might be pretty rare to want.
 
Right now, I am actually preferring the online viewing to my email inbox. That's an experience i haven't had in years.

 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 3:08 AM
From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@...>
To: "christopher hallsworth" <challsworth2@icloud..com>
Cc: "beta@groups.io" <beta@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Disable archives?
One of the great features of discussion groups in my humble opinion is collecting the wisdom and knowledge of group members in a searchable recorded body of posts so that one can benefit from the contributions at later dates when seeking specific information. Why would one not want archives, private for members only or public. If public one also can use Google to find content in Groups IO discussion group archives. Why would one want to not have archives, except in cases of legal issues such as a medical list and HIPAA? Sincerely, David Dillard Temple University (215) 204 - 4584 jwne@... On Mon, 12 Jan 2015, christopher hallsworth wrote: > Hi all, > Hope it is ok to ask on here, but what are your thoughts on disabling archives altogether? I'm surprised this isn't an option as both Yahoogroups and Googlegroups have this facility. In fact, Mailman does too. > Thanks for any comments on this. > > > > > > > > >
 
 


locked Re: Just finished reading the archives here

 

On 1/12/2015 12:28 AM, Feathered Leader wrote:

2. The ability to add members directly is also another deal breaker for
many people, and not just as the one time fee thing, (which could be
negotiated).

Maybe there could be a way to allow ONLY the group owner to add maybe
just 5-10 members per month, or some other semi-reasonable number that
might allow you to implement this for free without having the abuse
issues of adding a lot at once.

The reason so many Group owners need this add-members feature so badly,
is that SO many Yahoo users are elderly, handicapped or both, and not at
all tech savvy. one of my own moderators in my MM group has this very
problem. So even sending them an invite does not work. -- Something I
hope you'll consider
Maybe a one-time "mass" add option?

For those of us with a yGroup who want to move to another platform,
being able to migrate an entire group membership, when all of the group
are willing and trust us to move them without having to do anything on
their own - maximum approve the add - would be really helpful in moving
groups from YG to *any* other platform.

dg


locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

RS
 

That brings up an interesting thought:
 
What about a "sales" page/feature that not only works like you describe but also integrates with services like paypal (if you are daring, maybe even bitcoin).  Paypal integration could also allow people to donate to a non-profit group, or just help keep the premium group funding going.  Money transactions going through the product does get much trickier I'm sure, but why not see about it? 
 
Thanks for the info on how you would use a photo feature.  Just to clarify, I'm personally in favor of anything people need for what they do!  Options are what make a service great.  Keep them coming!

 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:21 PM
From: "J. Faulkner" <jfaulkner44@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

I moderate a buying and selling group that uses photos to show what item they are selling.  I have a requirement that I think is pretty much just the opposite of some of yours. 

 

1) we need two lines like Yahoo has now when you click Edit to provide information about the item and also the email address of the person selling the item.

2) no comments.  So if this could be turned off for the group that would solve that problem.  Our members contact the seller directly  so the photo is more or less just for viewing

3) an easy way for the seller to delete the photo if the item sells

4) photos do not need to be approved by a moderator

5) option to show latest posted photos first. 

6) currently Yahoo has a Photostream.  If we have something similar to this (in addition to the various albums) but have the information that was added to the photos that would be great

7) we use various albums and create new albums each month.  At all times we have the current month albums and the previous month.  Allow the naming convention to have the previous months albums below the current month.  I do that now by having an asterisk space before the album name for the current month and only the album name for the previous month. 

 

Note:  there are a lot of embroidery/sewing/quilting groups that use the photos basically the same way also.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: dalemonator@... [mailto:dalemonator@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

 

 

Some things I would like to see in a photos feature:

 

  • Ability to create albums (possibly with a cover photo).
  • Navigation through an album with a left/right button on each side of the photo.  Not only current style, but also most easily mobile compatible.  Style isn't critical to me personally though. 
  • Ability to add a title and description to each photo. 
  • Ability to hashtag a photo, perhaps in a special section rather than the title or description.
  • Ability to comment on photos and reply to comments.  As I picture it, these would not go to the group or archives, but remain on the photos section.  Mods would be able to edit or delete these, as with any other content.  I guess you wouldn't need a description section if the comments idea could work.  Just add the first comment when you post it.  Comments either would not show up in the Navigator view I mentioned above, or else perhaps show up on the side Facebook style (I know, I know, FB bad ;) ).  Enable an option either way when creating the album maybe? 
  • Ability to rate photos with stars (1-4 or 5), thumbs (+/-), likes (+ only) or votes (#+/-), as the (mod/creator of the album) prefers. 
  • Ability to flag a photo as inappropriate.  This would notify the owner and designated mods, so that a review of the item can be made, and it can be removed/blocked if it violates group policies.  The flag would otherwise be invisible to other users so as not to provoke issues between members.  Mods would be able to see who flagged the picture.

That's all I have for now, what would you like to see in a photo section?

 

 
 


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RS
 

Profiles is an area I had a couple thought in as well. I don't think of this as a high priority area to work on, but while my mind is on it, I thought I would share.

To start off with, I should say I am perfectly happy with the way they are now.  Less is more.  However, some folks may feel differently.  I can think of a couple of permutations of this off top.

Some folks may want to share their info with the communities they are part of.  While I think there is a strong sentiment out there that email groups differ from a social network, and are not meant in the same vein, I think more options are never a bad thing, and for those that want a more robust profile, why not offer it as an option?

Another aspect of this thought is that even with the minimalist profile that exists today, some folks may wish to be more private and not share which groups they are part of.  Stalking and harassment are very real online, and folks deserve to protect their anonymity on any service these days.  Along these same lines, people who do want to share profile info may only want to share certain things about themselves with certain groups,  Managing all your various data points on a group by group basis doesn't sound very practical to me though.

However, I think if you had the ability to create Alias Profiles which stood as a "mask" for your Main Profile in regards to a specific group, this would be a lot easier to manage.  Then when you subscribe to a group (and at any point after) you could choose to be seen in that group using your chosen Alias Profile instead.  This way you control your sharing per group without having to manage which item goes where on each field and complicate your Main Profile.  Just make one you want for the group(s) you prefer. 

Another application of this would be to be able to make characters for RPGs.  Adds to the feel of the group if you can create an in-character persona for people to view.  Granted, a wiki works for that as well, but folks could then easily re-use one in a second group without the need to copy paste.

Of course the email stays the same if the user changes profiles, so there's not true anonymity, but people clicking on the person could only get as deep as the user decides.

Just a couple thoughts.  Like I say, low on my own list of priorities, but for those inclined to discuss the feature, these were a couple of "drive home" thoughts.

-Tyger



locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

Judy F.
 

I moderate a buying and selling group that uses photos to show what item they are selling.  I have a requirement that I think is pretty much just the opposite of some of yours. 

 

1) we need two lines like Yahoo has now when you click Edit to provide information about the item and also the email address of the person selling the item.

2) no comments.  So if this could be turned off for the group that would solve that problem.  Our members contact the seller directly  so the photo is more or less just for viewing

3) an easy way for the seller to delete the photo if the item sells

4) photos do not need to be approved by a moderator

5) option to show latest posted photos first. 

6) currently Yahoo has a Photostream.  If we have something similar to this (in addition to the various albums) but have the information that was added to the photos that would be great

7) we use various albums and create new albums each month.  At all times we have the current month albums and the previous month.  Allow the naming convention to have the previous months albums below the current month.  I do that now by having an asterisk space before the album name for the current month and only the album name for the previous month. 

 

Note:  there are a lot of embroidery/sewing/quilting groups that use the photos basically the same way also.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: dalemonator@... [mailto:dalemonator@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

 

 

Some things I would like to see in a photos feature:

 

  • Ability to create albums (possibly with a cover photo).
  • Navigation through an album with a left/right button on each side of the photo.  Not only current style, but also most easily mobile compatible.  Style isn't critical to me personally though. 
  • Ability to add a title and description to each photo. 
  • Ability to hashtag a photo, perhaps in a special section rather than the title or description.
  • Ability to comment on photos and reply to comments.  As I picture it, these would not go to the group or archives, but remain on the photos section.  Mods would be able to edit or delete these, as with any other content.  I guess you wouldn't need a description section if the comments idea could work.  Just add the first comment when you post it.  Comments either would not show up in the Navigator view I mentioned above, or else perhaps show up on the side Facebook style (I know, I know, FB bad ;) ).  Enable an option either way when creating the album maybe? 
  • Ability to rate photos with stars (1-4 or 5), thumbs (+/-), likes (+ only) or votes (#+/-), as the (mod/creator of the album) prefers. 
  • Ability to flag a photo as inappropriate.  This would notify the owner and designated mods, so that a review of the item can be made, and it can be removed/blocked if it violates group policies.  The flag would otherwise be invisible to other users so as not to provoke issues between members.  Mods would be able to see who flagged the picture.

That's all I have for now, what would you like to see in a photo section?


locked Re: #suggestion

RS
 

There's an Instagram integration feature available now.  If I understand it right, that would at least alert your group when something new was posted to the Instagram account, I think?  I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure.  A little round-about maybe, but if you try it, let us know how it goes. 
 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:10 PM
From: Frances <travel@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] #wishlist
Hi

I wondered whether integration would offer us some of the features we wanted - e.g. photos.

Frances



 
 
 


locked Polls Wishlist #suggestion

RS
 

 
Since I brought up polls, here's a couple related ideas.
 
Here's what I'd like to see in a Polls feature:
  • Static "Polls" page/feature, old-school style!  Helps the place feel like home.
  • Email alert option when new polls are created (checkbox option just like you have for files).
  • Anonymous voting option allowable by creator (creator would choose at time of poll creation)
  • Can be closed or deleted by mods, in case creator can't/fails to/leaves/gets banned etc.
  • Start/Stop dates, so polls can open/close at pre-set times, or manually. 
    • Optional announcements and closure warnings (non-archived email messages)
  • Email poll option:
    • Creator would insert a poll in the message (would have to be done from web interface).
    • Email users would then be able to vote via the widget in the e-mail.
    • More crazy talk: text-only vote option, for plain text groups.  Here the reply feature would send a text format email instead.  Another email command option perhaps?  This cart is so far in front of the horse there may be curvature involved in trying to see it, but hey.  Dream big, build what you can.  :)
  • Graphic display rather than just numbers.  Numbers are fine, but a chart looks cooler.  :)
  • Front page visibility ("current polls" section, for example, click on it to view it--like photos are now)
That's all I can think of for now.  What would you want in a polls feature?