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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 06:40 PM, Leslie Donovan wrote:
Hope you saw this from Bruce. Good luck!
Leslie --- Although no harm was done, I ask that you please refrain from cross-posting my messages (or anyone else's) without permission. 

Thank you,
Bruce

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Donald Hellen
 

Diane . . .


On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:55:45 -0800, "Yahoo Archive"
<diane@...> wrote:

As regards PGO-2-GIO it is my understanding that, for clearly obvious reasons, this will not go live until the Dec 14th YG cutoff OR it becomes impossible to move a group from YG to groups.io using the existing transfer facility provided by groups.io.

I and a few others are working with beta versions of this program.
(I've worked with the developer before and he's a really nice guy.) It
will be set up to transfer groups' data but I can't say yet if you
uploaded all the messages you archived up until now if you can still
update it if there are more messages up until Dec 14. It will be
limited to a certain number of messages per group depending on the
license terms you pay for. I don't have the $ figures but they were
posted here or in one of the GMF groups.

Yahoo said they were cutting off new things going into the archive in
late October I think but I still see new messages appearing so I run a
catch-up on those groups to keep the messages current, rather than
wait until Dec 14, since we don't know if Yahoo will hiccup at the
wrong time and we won't be able to get those last few messages, ever.

You will need PG Offline to back up your group data (messages, photos,
files). Get that first and get started so that you're ready to upload
them all when the time comes. Then you'll use the message archive and
data you gathered to upload with the new program to a subgroup in your
new group.

Alternatively, you can start a new group and not invite any members
and set yourself to receive no mail, then cut loose and fill up the
group first with the old messages, then open it to new members and set
yourself back to receive new posts. (If you're not set to nomail for
the group or subgroup, expect thousands of messages in your inbox!)

Donald




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group on Groups.io:
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https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)

moderated Re: Suggested change

Duane
 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.
But there won't be any more YG transfers after Dec 5...

Duane

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Hi Patty,

Your post made me think…(I just woke up).

After checking with them, I find both of my cats are agnostic too.  So I guess we’re BOTH “agnostic cat lovers"  ;<)


Best!

WRB

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On Dec 3, 2019, at 12:32 AM, Patty Stokes <sandkittens@...> wrote:

Mark is - at minimum - a demigod. Evidence? Yahoo has become a hellscape, so a spark of divinity was needed! Or maybe Mark is Thor, hammering away until Yahoo's servers give up the goods.

My BerlinScholars group transferred tonight, within a couple hours of triggering the transfer (Step 5). Yay!! We got 6/7 of our 35,000 messages transferred.

Would it be reasonable - or greedy - to put in for a second transfer, this time for messages only, in hopes of scooping up some of the missing ~7000 messages from our archive? I don't want to gum up the works for others who are waiting. 

I've seen comments in these forums chastising Yahoo Group owners for not seeing how the wind was blowing years earlier. For sure, we saw the hellish dysfunction but were not aware of an alternative. Many were far from the tech world and busy with other duties: family, work, health problems, crises with kids/marriages/jobs/finances, and other volunteer commitments. I ticked every one of those boxes while serving as sole admin of a large group. Now, other group members have finally stepped up to help moderate my monster group in our hour of need, and for that I'm also grateful. 

I'm incredibly grateful to everyone at Groups.io helping us navigate this transition! (I'm an agnostic cat lover, so if you don't want my kind of blessings, steer clear of felines!) What a wonderful community. THANK YOU.

Warmly,
Patty


moderated Re: Suggested change

Eric Johnson
 

I agree that the crisis is close to over. However, the suggestion remains to cover any future moves be it one a week or a thousand. It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.

This is the beta group is it not?
Eric

moderated Re: Suggested change

Frances
 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
If I may be so bold . . .

I would suggest a field on each page dealing with the transfer process that asks for the email of the owner or person in charge. That way that person can be notified of the completion of the step and advised what they should do next. That should reduce the traffic here and on GMF regarding each transfer.
Well, given that there are only a couple of days left, it isn't feasible. And you would need to suggest this to Beta group that Mark monitors.

But if people treated the process like a project, and followed each step, it might go easier. That being said, there is the spanner in the works - YG's acting up!

I would print out the instructions and tick off each one as they are completed. Go carefully, step by step. Read everything!
See these instructions - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22617
Or these with screenshots - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

Frances

moderated Suggested change

Eric Johnson
 

If I may be so bold . . .

I would suggest a field on each page dealing with the transfer process that asks for the email of the owner or person in charge. That way that person can be notified of the completion of the step and advised what they should do next. That should reduce the traffic here and on GMF regarding each transfer.

Eric

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Yahoo Archive
 

As regards PGO-2-GIO it is my understanding that, for clearly obvious reasons, this will not go live until the Dec 14th YG cutoff OR it becomes impossible to move a group from YG to groups.io using the existing transfer facility provided by groups.io.

 

 

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote:
the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from
all the groups that I was ever subscribed to
That's actually somewhat scary!
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J
I'm curious to see if I ever get anything. I requested the contents of the
groups I belonged to, including one group that Yahoo later said didn't
exist. Anymore, I'm convinced Yahoo could screw up an anvil.

Then again, pessimists get a lot of nice surprises. We'll see!
I was a little surprised that I did get the files. The first file was 947 Mb and the second was 1.8 GB. Most frustrating was the fact there was no record of the group that Yahoo now insists didn't exist.

Does anyone have recommendations for an MBOX reader?

Dano

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Patty Stokes
 

Mark is - at minimum - a demigod. Evidence? Yahoo has become a hellscape, so a spark of divinity was needed! Or maybe Mark is Thor, hammering away until Yahoo's servers give up the goods.

My BerlinScholars group transferred tonight, within a couple hours of triggering the transfer (Step 5). Yay!! We got 6/7 of our 35,000 messages transferred.

Would it be reasonable - or greedy - to put in for a second transfer, this time for messages only, in hopes of scooping up some of the missing ~7000 messages from our archive? I don't want to gum up the works for others who are waiting. 

I've seen comments in these forums chastising Yahoo Group owners for not seeing how the wind was blowing years earlier. For sure, we saw the hellish dysfunction but were not aware of an alternative. Many were far from the tech world and busy with other duties: family, work, health problems, crises with kids/marriages/jobs/finances, and other volunteer commitments. I ticked every one of those boxes while serving as sole admin of a large group. Now, other group members have finally stepped up to help moderate my monster group in our hour of need, and for that I'm also grateful. 

I'm incredibly grateful to everyone at Groups.io helping us navigate this transition! (I'm an agnostic cat lover, so if you don't want my kind of blessings, steer clear of felines!) What a wonderful community. THANK YOU.

Warmly,
Patty

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

Mark, you rock, you totally rock! 

We transferred our groups a while back (thank you!), and love groups.io.  I told a whole lot of yahoo group folks about groups.io, and some of them did/are transferring their groups (some of them yelled at me, as others have noted).

You have gone beyond multiple times!  After all the ikk and mess at YG, it's so fine to see someone running a groups platform who obviously truly cares about the ability of people to have a well-functioning platform for groups.

Thank you!  you rock!  Gesine (here since egroups days)

 

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Leslie Donovan
 

Patty--

Hope you saw this from Bruce. Good luck!

Warmly,
Leslie

Bruce Bowman bruce.bowman@... via groups.io 
7:01 AM (8 hours ago)
 
 
to GroupManagersForum
 
 
 
 
 
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 01:48 AM, Mark (via Frances) wrote:
Therefore, I have turned back on group transfer requests and have extended the deadline until Thursday, December 5th at 9AM Pacific Time. Keep your fingers crossed that Yahoo's servers stay up that long.
To be totally clear:

This means you have to GIVE THE GO-AHEAD for your transfer (complete Step 5) by this deadline. Simply initiating a transfer, or paying for Premium Yearly, or completing any of those other preliminary steps will not ensure you a spot in the transfer queue.

Do not procrastinate...get started on this NOW, so the delays involved in inviting the transfer agent and making it a Moderator do not come into play.

Those who have paid but are not able to execute an Easy Group Transfer will issued a refund upon request. Just email Mark at support@groups.io and he will refund your money and delete your group.

Bruce
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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, Adrian Groenendyk wrote:

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4. Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

FYI, I have no idea how this product works, or whether it works at all.

Mark

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

On Monday, December 2, 2019, 10:39:11 AM EST, Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4.  Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

Thanks,

Adrian

Send an email to info at personalgroupware.com

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moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Katherine Fritz
 

Mark,

Thank you for your persistence in dealing with Yahoo's maddening failures and inconsistent performance.  My family group transfer went through yesterday less than an hour after I hit the "proceed" button.  I'm so grateful to you for all your hard work.

best regards,
Katie

moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Patty Stokes
 

Mark, I'd send you flowers if I knew how! THANK YOU. 

For anyone else who's starting this process: I had to try about a dozen times before I got Yahoo to send an invitation to the groups.io address. If you get a failure message on the invite page, keep trying. 

I'm almost weeping with gratitude, and it's not just relief to have this sorted. I feel like I've found a group of people who embody what the Internet was like in those early days - a spirit of sharing, generosity, competence, and curiosity. 

xxxooo
Patty 

moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 09:22 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm hammering Yahoo's servers; I massively parallelized the crawler and also if it gets a failure, it retries a lot more times than before, in rapid succession.
So all of this emergency life support for the dying patient has been going on behind the scenes, untouted and unrecognized, and probably even more of it prior to this, while meanwhile, Mark just tells us that he can "now transfer messages again." LOL. Giant kudos! 
 
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J

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moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:13 AM Patty Stokes <sandkittens@...> wrote:
I’m ready to make the leap except for this:

When I used the Chrome extension to download my group’s messages last night, only 10k of the 35k were retrievable. This included many of the recent messages.

When I go to Yahoo I can see messages in short form (sender, subject, first line) but when I click to expand I get a blank box. These "blank-box messages”  are the ones that failed to transfer.

This is a manifestation of Yahoo's latest issues. My changes yesterday to our crawler mostly work around this, and I'm seeing very few unretrievable messages since the changes went into effect yesterday. Basically, I'm hammering Yahoo's servers; I massively parallelized the crawler and also if it gets a failure, it retries a lot more times than before, in rapid succession. These are admittedly hostile behaviors, and if I was running Yahoo's servers, I'd not be pleased. But it seems to do the trick.


Mark 

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Leeni
 

Kudos should be going to Mark for helping y'all get out of the mess that you let yourselves get into.
 
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/02/19 10:18:53
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate
 
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, John Shotsky wrote:

Knowing that eventually, there would be a mass migration, I jumped early. .. too many people that waited until the very last minute. Yahoo (Verizon) is the cause of this confusion and difficulty, and the blame should be placed right in their hands.

Exactly right, and diplomatically said. I moved my group four years ago and have never looked back. Around then, some other yahoo group owners I was trying to help move were dissing me for pointing out yahoo's obvious and increasing failures. It's been very hard to bite my tongue and not express my utter shock that anyone now actually has notion to blame *Mark*, who is the one *rescuing* them from the the yahoo mess, for their predicament in not having moved when the going was good. He has gone above and beyond, and is now doing so again.  
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

 

moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Patty Stokes
 

I’m ready to make the leap except for this:

When I used the Chrome extension to download my group’s messages last night, only 10k of the 35k were retrievable. This included many of the recent messages.

When I go to Yahoo I can see messages in short form (sender, subject, first line) but when I click to expand I get a blank box. These "blank-box messages”  are the ones that failed to transfer.

Has anyone else encountered this problem? Have a fix for it? Clearly it’s (deep breath) a YAHOO ISSUE. Gah.

Does this indicate permanent failure?

Grateful for all counsel,

Patty Stokes, BerlinScholars group

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Patricia Stokes, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Women’s, Gender, & Sexuality Studies
Ohio University