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moderated Re: Suggested change

Donald Hellen
 

Duane . . .


On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:03:38 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>
wrote:

But there won't be any more YG transfers after Dec 5...

I thought it was Dec 14:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/17/20919593/yahoo-groups-new-content-upload-deadline-extra-week

"However, no matter when you post something to a group, it’s still
going to get deleted, as Yahoo is still removing all content hosted on
Groups on December 14th."

Did they change the cutoff or was the reporting in that article
incorrect? I've read that in multiple places but that doesn't mean
those sources are correct, but they are usually so.

In either case it won't affect me as I have my groups archived. I just
want to be sure so I can run my archiver at the last minute to get
whatever the last "recorded" posts are.

Donald



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moderated Re: Suggested change

Donald Hellen
 

Eric . . .

On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 09:07:19 -0800, "Eric Johnson" <Toller67@...>
wrote:

I agree that the crisis is close to over. However, the suggestion remains to cover any future moves be it one a week or a thousand. It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.
If this weren't so close to the deadline the two hours you say it
would take to implement this change might be feasible. Right now Mark
is working night and day with little sleep to get as many groups
transferred. He will run out of time at some point. He has limited
resources and right now the most limited resource is time.

To spend the two hours now might mean several groups will not get
transferred because he spent his time on doing that instead of
transfers. I think there's already enough information available for
people to follow the directions to get their transfer done.

If there is indeed benefit of having that information after Dec 14
(you said there would be some benefits in the future in it "always"
being there, I just don't understand how it would be useful after Dec
14), I'm sure your suggestion could be considered then. Suggesting it
now just means it will be lost in the commotion that's going on right
now. To expect it to be implemented now would mean some transfers
would be sacrificed just to do this.

I think Mark is going to take this transfer stuff right up to the last
possible minute. He will probably continue after Dec 14 as long as he
has group content downloaded already (before it disappears from Yahoo)
so he has something to transfer. Then he will run out of content and
will have to just say he did his best and the rest just didn't make it
in time.

You are in the right group to make the suggestion though. Just come
back after the Dec 14 Yahoo cutoff date and suggest it then with an
explanation of how it will be useful in the future. No sense in making
a case for it now as it will have to be ignored during this crisis.
Mark has already stated that he will not be spending time implementing
suggestions until after the transfers are all completed.

Donald


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group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)

moderated Re: Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible?

Simon Hedges
 

I have a similar issue.  The Owner can’t log in as the owner any more, and the back up moderator wasn’t granted the privs to turn anyone else into a moderator!

 

S.

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Ward
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:54 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible? #transfer

 

Our small yahoo group (203 members) ran just fine, and nobody noticed that the Owner wasn't active until quite a while after Yahoo deleted his account.

Our one existing Moderator says he doesn't have the power to upgrade transfer@groups.io to Moderator status. Is there any other way to do a transfer? I've already downloaded all the contents from the group, and rebuilt most of it in the new group, but it would be good if the 5500 messages were readable along with the new ones coming in to the groups.io group.

-Mike

moderated Re: Suggested change

Charlotte Schoeneman
 

Hi BG,

I don't see a way to have archives/old messages hidden from members.  Is that possible?  I moderate a support group for divorcing moms and encourage people to post fairly deeply, and ask for support on sensitive topics.  It's nice for them to feel like their kids, or their stalk-y ex can't somehow search for those messages

Thanks,
Charlotte

moderated Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible?

Michael Ward
 

Our small yahoo group (203 members) ran just fine, and nobody noticed that the Owner wasn't active until quite a while after Yahoo deleted his account.

Our one existing Moderator says he doesn't have the power to upgrade transfer@groups.io to Moderator status. Is there any other way to do a transfer? I've already downloaded all the contents from the group, and rebuilt most of it in the new group, but it would be good if the 5500 messages were readable along with the new ones coming in to the groups.io group.

-Mike

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Ann Kelsey
 

My group completed the transfer set up protocol and everything transferred this afternoon.  We are so grateful that the extension of the deadline and Mark's efforts allowed our group to successfully move from the yahoo platform to groups.io. Our group is small, but is so important to its members as a way of keeping memories and connections alive from a time and place long ago and far away.  Thank you so much.

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 06:40 PM, Leslie Donovan wrote:
Hope you saw this from Bruce. Good luck!
Leslie --- Although no harm was done, I ask that you please refrain from cross-posting my messages (or anyone else's) without permission. 

Thank you,
Bruce

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Donald Hellen
 

Diane . . .


On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:55:45 -0800, "Yahoo Archive"
<diane@...> wrote:

As regards PGO-2-GIO it is my understanding that, for clearly obvious reasons, this will not go live until the Dec 14th YG cutoff OR it becomes impossible to move a group from YG to groups.io using the existing transfer facility provided by groups.io.

I and a few others are working with beta versions of this program.
(I've worked with the developer before and he's a really nice guy.) It
will be set up to transfer groups' data but I can't say yet if you
uploaded all the messages you archived up until now if you can still
update it if there are more messages up until Dec 14. It will be
limited to a certain number of messages per group depending on the
license terms you pay for. I don't have the $ figures but they were
posted here or in one of the GMF groups.

Yahoo said they were cutting off new things going into the archive in
late October I think but I still see new messages appearing so I run a
catch-up on those groups to keep the messages current, rather than
wait until Dec 14, since we don't know if Yahoo will hiccup at the
wrong time and we won't be able to get those last few messages, ever.

You will need PG Offline to back up your group data (messages, photos,
files). Get that first and get started so that you're ready to upload
them all when the time comes. Then you'll use the message archive and
data you gathered to upload with the new program to a subgroup in your
new group.

Alternatively, you can start a new group and not invite any members
and set yourself to receive no mail, then cut loose and fill up the
group first with the old messages, then open it to new members and set
yourself back to receive new posts. (If you're not set to nomail for
the group or subgroup, expect thousands of messages in your inbox!)

Donald




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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)

moderated Re: Suggested change

Duane
 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.
But there won't be any more YG transfers after Dec 5...

Duane

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Hi Patty,

Your post made me think…(I just woke up).

After checking with them, I find both of my cats are agnostic too.  So I guess we’re BOTH “agnostic cat lovers"  ;<)


Best!

WRB

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On Dec 3, 2019, at 12:32 AM, Patty Stokes <sandkittens@...> wrote:

Mark is - at minimum - a demigod. Evidence? Yahoo has become a hellscape, so a spark of divinity was needed! Or maybe Mark is Thor, hammering away until Yahoo's servers give up the goods.

My BerlinScholars group transferred tonight, within a couple hours of triggering the transfer (Step 5). Yay!! We got 6/7 of our 35,000 messages transferred.

Would it be reasonable - or greedy - to put in for a second transfer, this time for messages only, in hopes of scooping up some of the missing ~7000 messages from our archive? I don't want to gum up the works for others who are waiting. 

I've seen comments in these forums chastising Yahoo Group owners for not seeing how the wind was blowing years earlier. For sure, we saw the hellish dysfunction but were not aware of an alternative. Many were far from the tech world and busy with other duties: family, work, health problems, crises with kids/marriages/jobs/finances, and other volunteer commitments. I ticked every one of those boxes while serving as sole admin of a large group. Now, other group members have finally stepped up to help moderate my monster group in our hour of need, and for that I'm also grateful. 

I'm incredibly grateful to everyone at Groups.io helping us navigate this transition! (I'm an agnostic cat lover, so if you don't want my kind of blessings, steer clear of felines!) What a wonderful community. THANK YOU.

Warmly,
Patty


moderated Re: Suggested change

Eric Johnson
 

I agree that the crisis is close to over. However, the suggestion remains to cover any future moves be it one a week or a thousand. It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.

This is the beta group is it not?
Eric

moderated Re: Suggested change

Frances
 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
If I may be so bold . . .

I would suggest a field on each page dealing with the transfer process that asks for the email of the owner or person in charge. That way that person can be notified of the completion of the step and advised what they should do next. That should reduce the traffic here and on GMF regarding each transfer.
Well, given that there are only a couple of days left, it isn't feasible. And you would need to suggest this to Beta group that Mark monitors.

But if people treated the process like a project, and followed each step, it might go easier. That being said, there is the spanner in the works - YG's acting up!

I would print out the instructions and tick off each one as they are completed. Go carefully, step by step. Read everything!
See these instructions - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22617
Or these with screenshots - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

Frances

moderated Suggested change

Eric Johnson
 

If I may be so bold . . .

I would suggest a field on each page dealing with the transfer process that asks for the email of the owner or person in charge. That way that person can be notified of the completion of the step and advised what they should do next. That should reduce the traffic here and on GMF regarding each transfer.

Eric

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Yahoo Archive
 

As regards PGO-2-GIO it is my understanding that, for clearly obvious reasons, this will not go live until the Dec 14th YG cutoff OR it becomes impossible to move a group from YG to groups.io using the existing transfer facility provided by groups.io.

 

 

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote:
the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from
all the groups that I was ever subscribed to
That's actually somewhat scary!
--
J
I'm curious to see if I ever get anything. I requested the contents of the
groups I belonged to, including one group that Yahoo later said didn't
exist. Anymore, I'm convinced Yahoo could screw up an anvil.

Then again, pessimists get a lot of nice surprises. We'll see!
I was a little surprised that I did get the files. The first file was 947 Mb and the second was 1.8 GB. Most frustrating was the fact there was no record of the group that Yahoo now insists didn't exist.

Does anyone have recommendations for an MBOX reader?

Dano

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Patty Stokes
 

Mark is - at minimum - a demigod. Evidence? Yahoo has become a hellscape, so a spark of divinity was needed! Or maybe Mark is Thor, hammering away until Yahoo's servers give up the goods.

My BerlinScholars group transferred tonight, within a couple hours of triggering the transfer (Step 5). Yay!! We got 6/7 of our 35,000 messages transferred.

Would it be reasonable - or greedy - to put in for a second transfer, this time for messages only, in hopes of scooping up some of the missing ~7000 messages from our archive? I don't want to gum up the works for others who are waiting. 

I've seen comments in these forums chastising Yahoo Group owners for not seeing how the wind was blowing years earlier. For sure, we saw the hellish dysfunction but were not aware of an alternative. Many were far from the tech world and busy with other duties: family, work, health problems, crises with kids/marriages/jobs/finances, and other volunteer commitments. I ticked every one of those boxes while serving as sole admin of a large group. Now, other group members have finally stepped up to help moderate my monster group in our hour of need, and for that I'm also grateful. 

I'm incredibly grateful to everyone at Groups.io helping us navigate this transition! (I'm an agnostic cat lover, so if you don't want my kind of blessings, steer clear of felines!) What a wonderful community. THANK YOU.

Warmly,
Patty

moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

Mark, you rock, you totally rock! 

We transferred our groups a while back (thank you!), and love groups.io.  I told a whole lot of yahoo group folks about groups.io, and some of them did/are transferring their groups (some of them yelled at me, as others have noted).

You have gone beyond multiple times!  After all the ikk and mess at YG, it's so fine to see someone running a groups platform who obviously truly cares about the ability of people to have a well-functioning platform for groups.

Thank you!  you rock!  Gesine (here since egroups days)

 

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Leslie Donovan
 

Patty--

Hope you saw this from Bruce. Good luck!

Warmly,
Leslie

Bruce Bowman bruce.bowman@... via groups.io 
7:01 AM (8 hours ago)
 
 
to GroupManagersForum
 
 
 
 
 
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 01:48 AM, Mark (via Frances) wrote:
Therefore, I have turned back on group transfer requests and have extended the deadline until Thursday, December 5th at 9AM Pacific Time. Keep your fingers crossed that Yahoo's servers stay up that long.
To be totally clear:

This means you have to GIVE THE GO-AHEAD for your transfer (complete Step 5) by this deadline. Simply initiating a transfer, or paying for Premium Yearly, or completing any of those other preliminary steps will not ensure you a spot in the transfer queue.

Do not procrastinate...get started on this NOW, so the delays involved in inviting the transfer agent and making it a Moderator do not come into play.

Those who have paid but are not able to execute an Easy Group Transfer will issued a refund upon request. Just email Mark at support@groups.io and he will refund your money and delete your group.

Bruce
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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, Adrian Groenendyk wrote:

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4. Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

FYI, I have no idea how this product works, or whether it works at all.

Mark

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

On Monday, December 2, 2019, 10:39:11 AM EST, Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4.  Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

Thanks,

Adrian

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