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locked Glitch in Members

Duane
 

<p>I happened to notice a glitch in the Members page on 2 of my groups.&nbsp; One has 4 duplications (50 members shown), the other has 3 (46 members shown) when viewed online.&nbsp; When I download to a csv, the duplicates don't show up.&nbsp; I also noticed that those who are Not Confirmed don't show in the downloaded file.&nbsp; If I sort the online page by user, I see the duplicates.&nbsp; If I sort by email, I don't.&nbsp; However, the number of lines shown is the same.&nbsp; I'm still digging to try to figure out where the differences are and maybe why they occurred.<br></p><p><br></p><p>Duane</p><p><br></p>


locked Group archive visibility (was Find Group listing) #suggestion

 

whofanvidme,

It would be nice to have a temporary 'beta' mode which could be
switched from private to public, since it's not always clear which
would be the best option until after a group has been built up a
little bit.
Your observation is a little bit off-topic, the topic being the Find a group (directory) listing - and a group can be switched between listed and unlisted at any time. Nevertheless, you've hit one of my pet peeves so I'll change the subject line and roll with it.

It's like being forced to name your child at conception with no
option to legally change it once you've learned the sex. You don't
necessarily want a group to be visible while it's being furnished
with content, but it's pretty much your only option at the moment.
Great analogy, and I agree. Having these "one-way traps" (you cannot open the group's archives to non-members once they've been restricted to members-only) are an impediment to group formation, and a real source of friction and confusion for novice group owners.

Perhaps it could be allowed as long as the owner was the only member,
for a specific period of time, or could simply provide new members
with a warning that anything posted to the group may eventually be
made public.
Since the avowed purpose of the restriction is to protect the privacy of member's content, allowing the archives to be opened to non-members as long as the owner is the only member makes a lot of sense.

I'd go further and allow the archives to be opened to non-members as long as the only postings in the archives were made by owners or moderators; or are older than the date/time the archives were last made members-only. The first condition would allow having a larger team work on the start-up of the group. The second condition would allow an established group to correct an accidental (or malicious) switch to members-only archives - perhaps at the cost of deleting a few messages that arrived after the switch.

-- Shal


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Thanks! It isn't work if it's fun.

Mark

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

Mark,

You more than deserve to sit down with the drink of your choice after all that.  I can appreciate the work that goes into keeping all the details straight.  Sometimes a "simple" change or enhancement requires a lot of background work.  Computers being what they are, they don't know that you really meant for that ; to be a :  Many Thanks to you for taking this on.  I think you've got another hit on your hands.  Please don't push yourself too hard though, we need you!


Duane




locked Re: Tracking features/bugs

 

Changed it.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

Minor suggestion.  On your Trello page, there's a note about "Easy Group Transfers".  It doesn't specifically mention Yahoo, though I think most of us understand that's the intent.  I moved some of my groups to BigTent when I left Yahoo, so the format is totally different and wouldn't work the same..  I wouldn't expect you to be able to transfer things, but others might assume you could.


I, for one, really like having that page to refer to.  It allows me to get a glimpse of your thought process and the direction things are moving.


Thanks,

Duane




locked Re: Tracking features/bugs

Duane
 

Minor suggestion.  On your Trello page, there's a note about "Easy Group Transfers".  It doesn't specifically mention Yahoo, though I think most of us understand that's the intent.  I moved some of my groups to BigTent when I left Yahoo, so the format is totally different and wouldn't work the same.  I wouldn't expect you to be able to transfer things, but others might assume you could.


I, for one, really like having that page to refer to.  It allows me to get a glimpse of your thought process and the direction things are moving.


Thanks,

Duane



locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

Duane
 

Like Brenda, I prefer to use the web site and go to each group to see the archives.  I think she may be confused about the reference to the Inbox though.  Mark was referring to "the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website" which you see at https://groups.io/ once you're signed in.  I've started using it to see where there's been any activity, but still go to each group to read the posts.


I was baffled by the references to following and muting until I realized that I probably won't see any of that since I have most of my subscriptions set to NoEmail and the other 2 are set to All Email.  I did that so I wouldn't be "wasting" bandwidth to receive messages, especially those that contain little new information in replies, but a mile long original thread.  Even these days, there are some of us that have slow and/or limited access to the internet.  One of the benefits of living in the boonies outside a small town. ;>)


Duane



locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Duane
 

It would be acceptable to me to allow the change from private to public only if there are no messages.  That way you could play with things to see if/how it fits for you.  You could have others in the group to help with the testing.  Kick all the tires, delete all posts, and do the switch.  There shouldn't be any privacy concerns that way.


Duane



locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

 

It would be nice to have a temporary 'beta' mode which could be switched from private to public, since it's not always clear which would be the best option until after a group has been built up a little bit. It's like being forced to name your child at conception with no option to legally change it once you've learned the sex. You don't necessarily want a group to be visible while it's being furnished with content, but it's pretty much your only option at the moment.

Perhaps it could be allowed as long as the owner was the only member, for a specific period of time, or could simply provide new members with a warning that anything posted to the group may eventually be made public. I know I would probably switch my group from private to public if I now had the option. I just went with the same settings as the Yahoo! Groups version for consistency.



locked "Your Groups"

Linda
 

Hello,
"Your Groups" is fine on the black navigation bar, where you make your selection.

https://groups.io/groups is a composite view so "All Your Groups" would work well there, whereas using Subscriptions would be confusing because Subscription is a sidebar element.

Linda


locked Re: "Your groups"

Judy F.
 

Having it explained that way, I agree.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:38 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] "Your groups"

Judy,

I like Subscriptions, sometimes "generic" is better.
I think I'd go with "Your Subscriptions" or even "Your Group Subscriptions"
- at least for the page tab. For the menu drop-down, where space is more at
a premium, "Subscriptions" alone may be sufficient.

I think the word "Your" serves to cue the user that this is a list of things
they already have. Otherwise ones eyes might scan right past it, thinking it
refers to things you're not looking for right now.

Like the "All My Groups" page in Yahoo Groups, I expect the "Your Groups"
(or "Your Group Subscriptions") page to be an essential resource - at least
for those users with more than one group subscription. It should always be
one of the easy places for a novice user to find.

-- Shal


locked Re: "Your groups"

 

Judy,

I like Subscriptions, sometimes "generic" is better.
I think I'd go with "Your Subscriptions" or even "Your Group Subscriptions" - at least for the page tab. For the menu drop-down, where space is more at a premium, "Subscriptions" alone may be sufficient.

I think the word "Your" serves to cue the user that this is a list of things they already have. Otherwise ones eyes might scan right past it, thinking it refers to things you're not looking for right now.

Like the "All My Groups" page in Yahoo Groups, I expect the "Your Groups" (or "Your Group Subscriptions") page to be an essential resource - at least for those users with more than one group subscription. It should always be one of the easy places for a novice user to find.

-- Shal


locked Re: Delivery Options

Judy F.
 

Not for me either and also for those who aren’t real comfortable with a computer.  Like someone said, Keep It Simple.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@...]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:50 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delivery Options

 

Dan wrote:>>As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.<<

Not for me. I can't understand the Wiki at all. It's so over my head I'm on the ocean floor. ;)

Brenda


locked Re: "Your groups"

Judy F.
 

I like Subscriptions, sometimes ‘generic’ is better.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:03 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "Your groups"

 

Frances,

 

I agree. The duplication doesn't look right. I think "Groups Details" may work, although two plural words together look a little strange to me. So I've been trying to think of another term for that screen. The best I could think of was 'Subscriptions', although that's a little generic. What do you think?

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

This label “Your Groups" is duplicated in the navigation, but used to access different information.

On the black nav bar, it goes to a drop-down menu of your groups.
In the Inbox, it goes to useful details of your groups - your role, whether moderated or not (“approvals needed”), group size, number of recent messages and your delivery option.

I suggest you give these different labels. Perhaps keep “Your Groups” on the nav bar and use “Groups details” or something similar for the Inbox label.

This will help people navigate better on the website.

Frances



 


locked Re: Delivery Options

 

I have a suspicion that this group, Beta, will eventually become the place that members, and especially owners and moderators, come to for advice like that. Oh, I expect it will evolve some, and maybe it will change names to something like 'Questions & Answers', but the knowledge and understanding here will always be important for new folks. Just my observation and a guess at the future. Dano


locked Re: Delivery Options

Nightowl >8#
 

Dan wrote:>>As for understanding the different settings and what they mean, isn't that the purpose of the wiki? We've seen the value of such explanations with the wiki that was created for 'neo'.<<

Not for me. I can't understand the Wiki at all. It's so over my head I'm on the ocean floor. ;)

Brenda


locked Re: RSVP feature #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Depends on your goals.

If you are trying to encourage people to leave Yahoo Groups and come here, which believe me, we are, it has to have most if not all of the things that people used there.

A solid list server to me, sounds like a mailing list. Groups in Yahoo were so much more. They collected data, stored it on site, photos, files, databases, etc. they were our homes and they were bulldozed.

Mark's goal is to make it what people want, and make it a success. Therefore, listening to the ones from Yahoo who have either fled already or are about to, is to his benefit. The simple fact that so many people have clung to what is left of Yahoo Groups is testament to how badly we needed what was offered there.

And the reason we haven't left is it hasn't been offered anywhere else. Not one group site has EVERYTHING we lost in our Groups. Not one. But this one has that potential, and is well on the way to being somewhere people might actually migrate to. And Mark already has the key thing to making it a success.

Listening to and acting upon feedback by the users/beta testers, etc.

He certainly has that down, for sure.

Brenda




locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Steve wrote:>> I suggest that when a person creates a private group the default be that the group is not listed in the public directory of groups and that archives are also private. I have no problem with the group owner having the option then to change these defaults.<<


Currently, as it's set up, once a group is made Private archives it cannot be converted to public archives again.

Brenda


locked Re: Find Group listing #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Frances wrote:>>Are there other groups that are “Private Groups” which won’t show up here?

I hope so, because I just made my personal one, and I don't want it listed.

Brenda


locked Re: Thank You

Nightowl >8#
 

AMEN TO THAT!

Brenda


locked Re: How does one follow a topic or hashtag?

Nightowl >8#
 
Edited

Mark wrote:>>My initial assumption was that people would interact with their groups through email and through the 'Inbox' view on the Groups.io website, instead of visiting individual group archives.<<

I'm just the opposite. I prefer not to interact in E-mail as little as possible I have always preferred to go to the site and interact in each group directly. I set bookmarks and that's how I do it. I log where I stop on each site, and write message numbers to reply to on a notepad.

I've always collected the messages in E-mail, but I simply stored them on my computer and rarely ever read them there, not until Yahoo made the interface impossible for me to use. NEO caused me nothing but headaches in that respect, because every time I sent a message through mail, it was stored in my sent box, as my preference but I was also set to mail from the group. So I always had to make sure I deleted the right copy of the message.

Another problem was that if I sent the message using the wrong e-mail address it would bounce back, and cause more headaches. I am thrilled that I don't have either problem here because I can use this web interface. So given the choice, I will always choose using each individual Groups' site to interact with.

Mark wrote:>>Basically, if you're set to All Messages, you end up Muting things you don't want. If set to First Message or Replies Only, you end up Following things you do want.<<

I would not need to  mute or need to follow anything. I always read all messages, in chronological order, and would never do otherwise on any group I either created or am a member of.

Mark wrote:>>This all is tremendously confusing, I agree. I believe you're the first person to dig into this stuff (and therefore the first person to review my design....) So, like with everything else, suggestions are appreciated. :)<<

I'm probably the second one then. ;) I am curious about how everything works on groups.io  including hashtags and muting, even though I might not ever use everything. I'm basic and simple and prefer it that way, but I have a lot of people I have to explain things to sometimes.

Brenda