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locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

I think I've confused myself. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've confused myself. Let's ignore for a minute how the Inbox/Muted Threads/etc tabs actually work on the home page. How should all this work? Here's a proposal:

Based on your subscription, you either have muted threads & hashtags, or followed threads & hashtags. You're either excluding or including things to be delivered to you.

When viewing a specific group that you're subscribed to, there will be tabs on the sidebar for muted threads/hashtags, or followed threads/hashtags, allowing you to see what you've muted/followed, and letting you undo those actions. The group archives will always show all the group messages, from which you can mute or follow new things..

When going to groups.io (aka the home page), there will be tabs for Inbox, Muted Thread, Muted Hashtags, Followed Threads, Followed Hashtags. The Muted and Followed tabs are just aggregations over all your subscriptions. Inbox will be what you would get sent to you in email if your Email Delivery setting was set to Individual Messages (regardless of what your Email Delivery setting actually is).

Does that make sense? If it does, then I think the current newsubpage makes sense? Too complicated?

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Mark,

> I also put Auto Follow Replies under Following Only, because that's
> the only option that applies to it.

I note that a checkmark there disappears (leaving an empty gray box) when you click "All Messages", and does not reappear when you click "Following Only" again. Same if you click "No Email" and then click "Individual Messages" again.

There's a minor issue that I'd prefer that the prior state be retained when one switches and switches back.

The more major issue is that I think "Auto Follow Replies" is a useful option for members that have selected "Special Notices Only" or "No Email" because they prefer reading messages via the "Followed Threads" tab in their Groups.io Inbox. That's the use case that makes me think it should be broken out as a stand-alone option, unaffected by Email Delivery or Message Selection.

That's assuming the necessary changes are made to the Follow/Mute affordances so that one can manage one's Followed Threads without receiving email.

Unless I've completely misunderstood.

-- Shal






locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Duane
 

I'm (and I'm sure many others!) with you on getting the transfer set up. While I was reading your reply, it came to mind that the "easy" part of that is from the group owners standpoint and not your programming standpoint. All those "fiddly bits" needed for something this big are bound to want lots of attention. (grin)

Thanks,
Duane


locked Re: Calendar is live

Duane
 

I noticed this morning that when I look at an event, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to get back to the place in the Calendar that I was looking at. It may be because I'm owner. I have to click on Calendar again, then click forward to where I was, if another month/week, etc.

Duane


locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

 

When a group is normally deleted, all of this is taken care of automatically. With Quicktest, I had to delete things by hand, 'tis all.

Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Thanks again!  I'd guess that at some point the reindexing will become automatic.  For minor things like this, I'd rather you wait until it turns up on your schedule.  At least when I clicked on the group name, it told me it had been deleted, so not really a big problem.

Duane








locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

Duane
 

Thanks again! I'd guess that at some point the reindexing will become automatic. For minor things like this, I'd rather you wait until it turns up on your schedule. At least when I clicked on the group name, it told me it had been deleted, so not really a big problem.

Duane


locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

 

Didn't have a chance to manually reindex the groups last night. It's been done and quicktest no longer appears.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

The group (QuickTest) has been deleted, but it still shows up in the "Find a group" search pages.


Duane




locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

I originally went with the 'N minutes ago' displays for a couple of reasons. A lot of people like that style, and it didn't require us to know what timezone you were in. And we didn't have a timezone setting before the calendar was added.

As part of the profile addition for specifying the format of dates, I'll look at adding an option to not display things as 'N minutes ago'.

I'm not sure when I'll get to the date changes. I want to get the easy Yahoo group transfer stuff done first and finalize any changes to the subscription page.

Thanks,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On a Calendar event, it already corrects the original time to local (if set correctly), so that won't be a problem.  Having the same (corrected) time would work fine for me on posts.  If a meeting/whatever were being setup by post, mentioning the time zone would be up to the poster and a good practice to get into.

Duane








locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Duane
 

On a Calendar event, it already corrects the original time to local (if set correctly), so that won't be a problem. Having the same (corrected) time would work fine for me on posts. If a meeting/whatever were being setup by post, mentioning the time zone would be up to the poster and a good practice to get into.

Duane


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Frances
 

Hi

On Profile in Groups.io, you set your time zone.
Just saw this today.

Frances

On Jan 22 15, at 2:39 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Duane,

I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their
thinking.
There was a time when U.S. Pacific time was the default when you created a new account. But if there was ever a time when one's Account Info didn't include a Time Zone setting that was before I started using Yahoo Groups.

-- Shal






locked Re: Yet another bug #bug

Duane
 

The group (QuickTest) has been deleted, but it still shows up in the "Find a group" search pages.


Duane



locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

Duane,

I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their
thinking.
There was a time when U.S. Pacific time was the default when you created a new account. But if there was ever a time when one's Account Info didn't include a Time Zone setting that was before I started using Yahoo Groups.

-- Shal


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

Judy,

Maybe the reason it is set up like that is due to the various time
differences.
I suspect you're right. Relative time ("ago") is the same no matter what time zone the user is in.

Frances I cant remember if I indicated in my profile on Yahoo Groups
what time zone I am in, I think I did, so my messages, etc. have the
date/time for my time zone.
Yes, the time zone listed in your Yahoo Account Info page is used to display date/time information throughout Yahoo - except on calendars (they have their own).

It used to be that you had to set the Account Info time zone correctly, but the last time I looked it is setting your time zone automatically based on location information.

I know any message I receive from the various Yahoo Groups, they show my
current time. I get my messages in my inbox of Outlook.
That's being done by Outlook. The Date field of email headers specify both a Date/Time and the UTC* offset of that Date/Time. With that information Outlook can convert the Date/Time to anyone's local time. For example, your first message in this thread had:

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:23:32 -0500
The "-0500" is the offset from UTC of that date/time. I live in in UTC-0800, so my email software subtracts the difference in those offsets (3 hours) from that date/time and displays your messages as having been sent at "04:23 PM 1/21/2015" - in my local time.

-- Shal
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

I know any message I receive from the various Yahoo Groups, they show my current time. I get my messages in my inbox of Outlook.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:51 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestions

That's one of the things that changed with NEO. It used to have date/time, but they wanted to be like Facebook.

I'm not sure how Mark is going to do the date thing allowing different formats, but I think it could be used here for each person. I'm also not sure how the time is stored on messages, but I think it could be displayed in local time. The problem with that is if/when you start talking about a meeting or something, there may be folks in two or more different time zones. I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their thinking.

Duane


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

As always, Thanks for all of this.

Duane


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Duane
 

That's one of the things that changed with NEO. It used to have date/time, but they wanted to be like Facebook.

I'm not sure how Mark is going to do the date thing allowing different formats, but I think it could be used here for each person. I'm also not sure how the time is stored on messages, but I think it could be displayed in local time. The problem with that is if/when you start talking about a meeting or something, there may be folks in two or more different time zones. I think Yahoo just always used Pacific time and everyone adjusted their thinking.

Duane


locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

- Check the initial and most recent versions of messages/wiki pages on the history pages.
- Display profile fixes for subgroups. Also fixed URLs.
- Fixed issue where a single owner could disown a group.
- Changed User to Name in members list.
- Added 'Approve & Unmoderate Senders' button to the pending message page
- Updated the subscription page mockup based on feedback


Mark


locked Re: Edited Messages

Judy F.
 

Shal, I think it should be an option on/off. Our buying and selling group does not allow members to delete their ads for any reason. If they have to revise their ad, they are to resubmit it. With an on/off option, this would help us control those ads not being deleted/edited but a new one submitted.

Since this is only one group, I don't know if others have the same rule as us.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:22 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Edited Messages

Judy,

> I can't remember if this a turn on or off feature that the owner/mod > can do. That might be helpful in our buying selling group.

Member can edit their own, moderator can edit anyone's, just like delete.

But no option to turn editing off. Mark said he is inclined to wait and see if a control is needed:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/736

-- Shal


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Frances I can’t remember if I indicated in my profile on Yahoo Groups what time zone I am in, I think I did, so my messages, etc. have the date/time for my time zone.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Frances [mailto:travel@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:11 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Date/Time on messages #suggestions

 

Hi

 

Facebook just has 1 hour. No date or time.

If you put time, I guess you need to put the initials of the time zone!

Would you need to select this when you set up your group?

 

Frances

 

On Jan 21 15, at 11:01 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

 

I think there's value to that idea. It let's the reader quickly compare the time of the post rather than both being '3 hours ago'.

Dano

 


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Duane, Yahoo Groups also uses this minutes thing especially on pended messages, etc. I agree with you, I like just the date and time. If I want to know how long ago, I can subtract and get the number of hours.

Maybe the reason it is set up like that is due to the various time differences.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:36 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Date/Time on messages #suggestions

It's probably just me, but I'd prefer to see a Date/Time on messages, whether in the site Inbox or in a group's archives, instead of X minutes ago or Y days ago. Seems to make it easier for me to keep things straight.

How do others feel?

Duane


locked Re: Date/Time on messages #suggestion

 

I agree. The date/time seems much clearer.

Jim Fisher

On 21 Jan 2015 at 4:35, Duane wrote:

It's probably just me, but I'd prefer to see a Date/Time on messages, whether in
the site Inbox or in a group's archives, instead of X minutes ago or Y days ago.
Seems to make it easier for me to keep things straight.

How do others feel?

Duane
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