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locked Re: Cover photo

 

Mark,

Now it preserves the aspect ratio while resizing. Can you upload your
cover photos again and let me know what you think?
Perfect.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/shalstest
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/GroupManagersForum

-- Shal


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

Judy,

Brenda, we keep talking about a Database, then someone says something
about Wiki.
That started with Mark:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/thread/15266

A few messages down that thread I tried to list some of the distinct features of Yahoo Groups' database, and databases generally, that might be difficult to achieve in a clear and facile way using a table on a Wiki page.

That said, I concur with the sentiment that Groups.io is not Yahoo Groups. I think Mark (and the rest of us) do need to think outside of that particular box from time to time so that we don't miss an opportunity to achieve some desired functionality in a much better way.

Some of the things people do with Yahoo Groups' features they do in a certain way because of Yahoo Groups' limitations. Rather than build the same limitations into Groups.io, it is a good idea to express the "why" and the context of what you're trying to achieve when proposing a feature. That way we can all try to understand it in a "big picture" way.

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Linda,

As far as your need for scheduled files "once a week, once a month, once
a year, or on a certain date", the calendar on Groups.io makes that
possible.
Hmm... I hadn't looked at that way, but you're right. The Description available in an event isn't as limited as the one in Yahoo Groups was. So for many purposes where text files are used it might do just as nicely.

For non-text files you can place a link in the text, and it doesn't seem too difficult to pick up the link from the file's name in the Files section. But there's no attachment ability, nor a convenient way to browse for the file you want.

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Trish,

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be
sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example,
once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date.
I agree. I suggest that the file upload have a "Schedule" button. The button creates a calendar event that sends the file, or a link to the file, as its reminder. That would allow you to easily pick a date for the file to be sent, and all the flexibility of the repeated event controls is available.

Conversely, when creating an event with a reminder, picking a file to send or link could produce the same result:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/191

-- Shal


locked Re: Cover photo

 

I now get a nice neat picture - central and the right ratios!

On 25 January 2015 at 17:36, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I see what you mean.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/shalstest

Apparently it goofs up on images that are too close to square aspect ratio. No way the result should be rescaled by a different ratio on one axis than the other.

I had not changed the initial image resizing code. It was trying to resize all cover photos to 900x300, without preserving the aspect ratio. Now it preserves the aspect ratio while resizing. Can you upload your cover photos again and let me know what you think?

Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Cover photo

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

I see what you mean.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/shalstest

Apparently it goofs up on images that are too close to square aspect ratio. No way the result should be rescaled by a different ratio on one axis than the other.

I had not changed the initial image resizing code. It was trying to resize all cover photos to 900x300, without preserving the aspect ratio. Now it preserves the aspect ratio while resizing. Can you upload your cover photos again and let me know what you think?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Wiki question

 

On 1/25/2015 8:05 AM, Frances wrote:

Yes, I agree “home” could be confusing. However, in my wiki, that is an
index page to the subsidiary pages.
If you click on the Beta wiki, and go to the bottom of the page, you
will see what I mean. You need to be able to move back to this “home” page.
That's what I was looking at - the links are
pretty obvious in the main area. Then there's the
drop-down that shows pages (I'm assuming that if
there's a link to some external page it would not
show up in the list).

And I know you need to get back to the main page -
but the Wiki link on the side takes you there; and
the Wiki link on the *top* takes you there; and
the drop-down list has a link to "home".

Since I tend to think of the home page as the *group*
home page - it was a bit confusing. Others more
used to it may not be confused - and I know that
after clicking on the "Wiki" at the top a couple
of times and not having it do anything - apparently -
I figured out what it was doing.

And to get to the group home page, the Beta link
or the "home" to the left - but that it says "Home"
on the page - I felt kinda like Costello -
First Base!

dg


locked Re: Wiki question

Frances
 

Hi

I created a wiki in Groups.io for 1A-Travelzine (I am a moderator.)

Yes, I agree “home” could be confusing. However, in my wiki, that is an index page to the subsidiary pages. 
If you click on the Beta wiki, and go to the bottom of the page, you will see what I mean. You need to be able to move back to this “home” page.

So the concept of “home” is useful. But how about Wiki Home? Main would work too. 

Frances

On Jan 25 15, at 10:44 AM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote:

The `only "wiki" I've used, AFAIK, is Wikipedia.

So - when I click on the wiki link on the home page
of the group - there are 3 words across the top -
Beta, Wiki, and apparently the page title.

Wiki is still a link.

Beta link takes you to the group's home page,
but clicking Wiki keeps leaving you on "Home".

That was a bit confusing for me - any chance
those can be re-named to "<group> Home", and
have the first page of the Wiki called "Main"?

I expected "Home" to refer to the home page of
the group, and with Wiki a clickable link on the
top - I kept clicking it.

I'm not sure this is making sense because I've
never worked with this before, just that "Home"
was confusing in this context.

dg







locked Wiki question

 

The `only "wiki" I've used, AFAIK, is Wikipedia.

So - when I click on the wiki link on the home page
of the group - there are 3 words across the top -
Beta, Wiki, and apparently the page title.

Wiki is still a link.

Beta link takes you to the group's home page,
but clicking Wiki keeps leaving you on "Home".

That was a bit confusing for me - any chance
those can be re-named to "<group> Home", and
have the first page of the Wiki called "Main"?

I expected "Home" to refer to the home page of
the group, and with Wiki a clickable link on the
top - I kept clicking it.

I'm not sure this is making sense because I've
never worked with this before, just that "Home"
was confusing in this context.

dg


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

David P. Dillard
 

I certainly agree that it makes lots of sense to keep the database feature seperate from the Wiki feature and to make the database tool like what folks are used to on Yahoo Groups of old with improvements seen to make it better.

However one need not fear using the Wiki feature on Groups IO as it works just like Wordpress and Google Sites, both of which I find very easy to use for simple text and linked documents.

One can easily build content on a Word document or its equivalent and simply paste this preformated content including hyperlinked text and color from the Word document or other source right into the Wiki and it works just fine.


Here is a link to the page I just created:


https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/ wiki/Articles-Published-by-David-Dillard


OR


http://tinyurl.com/mo99vzl


Warning, I use content pages like this Wiki to share information, not to create artistic and beautifully designed websites. Others will need to teach these skills if they are applicable to this Wiki.

Furthermore, there is only one WAVE accessibility error for the documment I created, which is excellent. WAVE seems to want a title above the black bar and in checking on edit I could not find a way to put a title there.
If anyone knows how to do this, I am all eyes (this being a print rather than audio media).



Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:

Add me in as a second vote for a database.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to
use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki,
or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature.

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use
the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for
us. :)

Brenda


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Duane
 

pnrfan,

You may be on to something there, using the calendar. I had done a test a few days ago to see what the Reminder looks like when emailed. It seems to contain the text from the Description box, Date, and Location. Other than having a Date and Location included, it shouldn't be too bad. I'm pretty sure that the Date can't be blank. I'm not sure about Location, but I think it can. I guess you could enter the group name here, just so it wouldn't be blank? Set up an Event, Repeat... for whatever interval and Never Ends. It does have the weekly, monthly, yearly, and a few other options.

Off to test!

Duane


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

I'm going to play around with the calendar feature for this and see if it can meet my groups' needs.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...> wrote:
Oh yes please. I have uploaded welcome messages to my lists which contain some guidelines. Currently, members have to view it on the website. Thanks, any updates greatly appreciated.

On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:39, pnrfan@... wrote:

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date. 

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

Thanks
Trish



locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

Brenda (and Mark),
I vote for a database facility. Mainly because I think I know what that is. A 'wiki'? I know what wikipedia is but beyond that I really don't know what a 'wiki' is in the context of 'groups'!
Regards,
Robertm

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
From: Feathered Leader
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015 07:40
To: beta@groups.io
Reply To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki, or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature..

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for us. :)

Brenda




locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

Add me in as a second vote for a database.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki, or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature.

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for us. :)

Brenda




locked Re: Cover photo

 

JohnF,

However, I think there should be an option for no scaling at all. As an
example, we had a family group on Yahoo, and when something major
happened to a certain family member, we would change the group image to
be one of that person. Stretching or squashing that image would just
ruin it,
I see what you mean.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/shalstest

Apparently it goofs up on images that are too close to square aspect ratio. No way the result should be rescaled by a different ratio on one axis than the other.

-- Shal


locked Re: Easy yahoo group transfer instructions

 

Mark,

Unfortunately, the member list that I can download does not include a
list of who's a moderator/owner.
eh?

I think the returned JSON includes a "moderatorStatus" field, with content "OWNER" or "MODERATOR" when present. The field is absent from members' records. At least it did when I examined it nearly a year ago.

I'm not sure why Sam didn't include it in his Chrome export app. I'm equally unsure why I haven't noticed until now, or have forgotten that detail. ;-)

-- Shal


locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

RS
 

Another possible compromise: Let mods rename their tabs as they see fit.


locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

 

David,

Importantly, the word archive gives a sense of messages or records or
documents ranging over a period of time. The term messages has less of
the concept of a collection of posts in chronological order that
represent the sharings of a discussion group.
Likewise, I prefer the word Archive because of two implications the word carries: shared and permanent.

But I may be overreacting to a few instances (reported in the Yahoo Groups moderator groups YGOG and GMF) of novice moderators ripping through the Messages, deleting as they read them because they thought that was a kind of personal inbox.

Mark,

Speaking of which maybe, and especially when a user clicks through to a message from "Your Inbox", it may make sense to put a more explicit warning on the Delete function. Perhaps "Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the Message Archives of GROUPNAME? This cannot be undone."

The problem with "Archives" in the Groups.io context is that Files (and future Photos and/or Links) areas are no less Archival in nature than the messages. That's the flip side of others' observation that new members won't expect to find (current) messages there - the word doesn't specify the type of content.

A compromise might be to label them "Messages" in the left column, but "Message Archives" in the breadcrumb bar at the top of the page (where there's more room).

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Oh yes please. I have uploaded welcome messages to my lists which contain some guidelines. Currently, members have to view it on the website. Thanks, any updates greatly appreciated.

On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:39, pnrfan@... wrote:

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date. 

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

Thanks
Trish


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki, or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature.

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for us. :)

Brenda