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locked Re: The case for social logins

Nightowl >8#
 

I second that. I have no desire to have to be on a social group such as those, to use this one.

Brenda


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

No no, Yahoo Groups didn't drop the database feature. It has been there from the start and is still there. However, NEO broke it.

Just correcting that.

Brenda


locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Mark,

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure
whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but
I found the bug and it was in our end of the line.
A bit of all of the above, no doubt. But I'd recommend happy that the problem was flushed out early on.

And I'm happy to uphold my reputation as a bug whisperer.

-- Shal


locked Re: The case for social logins

 

Well put. I consider the likes of Faceache to be as leaky as an old watering can.
Robert.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
From: Matthew Pitts via GROUPS.IO
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015 19:44
To: beta@groups.io
Reply To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] The case for social logins

The problem with this is, what happens if your primary email account gets compromised and it's the one you're using for your "social signin" stuff? If you don't catch it, you just lost access to everything, and may very well have a hard time convincing other people that the person that insulted them using your social login somewhere wasn't you. As others have said, let it be an option, if Mark wants to implement it; don't replace real secure systems (password management applications and hardware) with the false security of a unified login.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
 



From: Chris Leong <walkraft@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:24 AM
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate...




locked Re: The case for social logins

 

The problem with this is, what happens if your primary email account gets compromised and it's the one you're using for your "social signin" stuff? If you don't catch it, you just lost access to everything, and may very well have a hard time convincing other people that the person that insulted them using your social login somewhere wasn't you. As others have said, let it be an option, if Mark wants to implement it; don't replace real secure systems (password management applications and hardware) with the false security of a unified login.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
 



From: Chris Leong <walkraft@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:24 AM
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate..



locked Re: The case for social logins

Cacky B
 

Ditto!
Cacky

On 1/26/2015 9:19 AM, robertgmam@... wrote:
I would never use so-called ‘social logins’. If people want that sort of thing, then by all means have it available to them, but don’t let’s all have to suffer it to the exclusion of a proper login. Those of us who abhor social media do not want to go down the road of copying the likes of Google and Facebook. The slide of Yahoo Groups into that sort of thing is exactly why we need a home for our Groups away from Yahoo Neo in the first place!
 
Regards,
Robert.
 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins
 

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.

  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate.




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locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

Mark,

As long as you found and fixed the bug, it should be good. This is the sort of thing that the current Yahoo Groups team would never communicate with us on, and why we like hearing from you on things.

Matthew Pitts

 



From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: "beta@groups.io" <beta@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Nightmare scenario I'm sure. 

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group.

I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry.


Mark




locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Nightmare scenario I'm sure. 

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group.

I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry.


Mark


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

On 1/26/2015 8:59 AM, Duane wrote:
To see a Wiki, you'd need to be a member of the group and signed in.
Ah - it's the "member of the group" part that I think most of us are
missing (since it prompts for a sign in if you are not).

A blank page is probably not very user-friendly if we're confused by
not seeing it!

If there is a direct link to a wiki given - should it say something
like "you are not a member of <groupname>"? Or just a "content is
not available" with a link to the Groups.io home page?

Or just take you to the Groups.io home page?

dg


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

On 1/26/2015 8:51 AM, Frances wrote:

The links don’t work for me either - blank pages.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/wiki/Articles-Published-by-David-Dillard
OR
http://tinyurl.com/mo99vzl
Same here - HPW7.

dg


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

David P. Dillard
 

I just learned that while my group is public, the wiki is not listed on group contents when accessed by anyone who is not logged in to my group as a member of my group. The option needs to be made available to group owners to make the Wiki public if so desired. I will only be able to use this tool if it is public.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Donna wrote:

David,
I clicked on your tiny url link and got taken to a blank page, even though the url appeared to be the same as the
full url in your message.  Now, I understand what my friend from the Yahoo group is seeing.  This is the first time
it has happened to me with groups.io.
Donna


locked Markdown

 

Good morning,

Over the weekend, I had a few hours while the babies were napping, and wanted to do a small fun project. So I added Markdown support to the post/reply boxes, along with code syntax highlighting in the archives.

Markdown, for those (most) who haven't heard of it, is like plain text, except that it lets you include some formatting with it. There are a lot of places online that explain what Markdown is better than I can, like http://whatismarkdown.com. I think it's much better for conversations than HTML messages, and yet neither Google Groups nor Y! Groups support it.

And with Markdown, if you're including a bit of source code in your message, you can tag it and it'll display nicely (this is called code syntax highlighting). The nerds, like me, really like this (and multiple people have asked for this feature in Groups.io).

Anyways, if you want to post using Markdown, you now can. If you don't, nothing's changed for you.

(I'll be going through all the messages from this weekend over the next couple hours).

Thanks!
Mark


locked Site sign in

Duane
 

Does a sign in on Groups.io ever expire? I signed in when I first joined (12 days ago) and haven't had to since. On the other service I use, I stay signed in for 2 weeks unless I specifically sign out. (Unless I need to use owner/moderator privileges, then it asks for credentials every 4 hours. Way too often in my opinion.)

Duane


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Duane
 

To see a Wiki, you'd need to be a member of the group and signed in.

Duane


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Frances
 

David and Donna

The links don’t work for me either - blank pages.

I am using an updated Mac with Safari.

Frances

On Jan 26 15, at 10:44 AM, Donna <pnwfemale@...> wrote:

David,

I clicked on your tiny url link and got taken to a blank page, even though the url appeared to be the same as the full url in your message.  Now, I understand what my friend from the Yahoo group is seeing.  This is the first time it has happened to me with groups.io.

Donna




locked Re: Suggestion for files settings - testing calendar feature for reminder notices (possible bug?) #bug

Duane
 

I also did a test, but using All Day, repeating every 1 day.  Here's what I got:

"test" Reminder

When: Monday, 26 January 2015 12:00am to
Tuesday, 27 January 2015 12:00am
(GMT-06:00) America/Chicago
Where:
Description:    Gibberish message about 2 pages long


If the When would show just the first Date without time/zone for All Day events, I think it would be more clear, though not precise.  I had the reminder set for 2 minutes, so it came in at 23:58 Sunday night.  Adding a choice button on the reminder to send by email or send to group archives would be my preferred choice.  By choosing send to group archives, even those on No Email would see it posted in the group.  Would send to group archives be the preferred default for most people?  Would there be events where this wouldn't be preferred?

I like having all the options to start, repeat interval, etc.

I noticed that the Event was deleted from today on the Calendar.  This makes sense since it's already happened, but there may be instances when I'd like to keep it on there for future reference.

I have another test pending using the group name in the Where field, just to see what it looks like.  I'm thinking that using an event name of "Monthly groupname" would look a little better and more clearly explain what it was.  That should show up as "Monthly groupname" Reminder, so leaving the location blank would make more sense to me in that case.


Duane



locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

Duane
 

My wishlist for a Photos section:

1. When photos are uploaded, "resize" them for online use. Many folks use the highest resolution and number of colors when taking pictures. These aren't needed for screen viewing, only for full size printing. I've had people email me photos at 4320x3240, 600 dpi, 32 million colors with a file size well over 3 MB when a file that was resampled to 35-50 KB would have worked as well. (not sure if it's feasible, but check for file type and not allow photos to be uploaded to the Files area.)

2. Sub-albums would be nice. I see it as having an album for each member, though not required, and having sub-albums for specific items.

3. I'd like each member to be able to use their own album/sub, but also be able to add to a general group album/sub when needed.

4. Title and description for each photo.

5. Allow owner/moderator to move photos (and files) as needed to maintain the intended layout of the group. Ownership of the file should be maintained by the person that uploaded it.

6. Comments, photostream, rating, and other options aren't currently important to me, but I can see how they could be useful.

Duane


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings - testing calendar feature for reminder notices (possible bug?) #bug

 

I set up some calendar events with reminders. My first reminder came through this morning. I don't know if there's a limit to number of lines or characters allowed in the description box, but here's how my first test came through.

I tried one test with "All day" checked instead of a specific time. It appears the reminder didn't come through with that test, so that could be a bug. I'll try it again to see if I can get the bug to repeat.

This one is set for 10 am for one hour with a 5 minute reminder. Reminder notice is below.

So if you're looking for a way to have files repeat, but they aren't necessarily tied to when you join, are pending, or leave/banned, then the calendar seems to be a pretty flexible way to do that. It allows for more flexibility in repeat timing/frequency than Yahoogroups does.

Trish

"Calendar Test set to repeat daily with an alert 5 minutes before. Scheduled time is 10 am" Reminder

When:Monday, 26 January 2015
10:00am to 11:00am
(GMT-05:00) America/New York
Where:Location field
Description:
  1. Test set to repeat daily with an alert 5 minutes before. Scheduled time is 10 am
  2. Does all of this text come through?
  3. Does all of this text come through?
  4. Does all of this text come through?
  5. Does all of this text come through?
  6. Does all of this text come through?
  7. Does all of this text come through?
  8. Does all of this text come through?
  9. Does all of this text come through?
  10. Does all of this text come through?
  11. Does all of this text come through?
  12. Does all of this text come through?
  13. Does all of this text come through?
  14. Does all of this text come through?
  15. Does all of this text come through?
  16. Does all of this text come through?
  17. Does all of this text come through?
  18. Does all of this text come through?
  19. Does all of this text come through?
  20. Does all of this text come through?
  21. Does all of this text come through?



On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:12 AM, pnrfan@... <pnrfan@...> wrote:
I'm going to play around with the calendar feature for this and see if it can meet my groups' needs.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...> wrote:
Oh yes please. I have uploaded welcome messages to my lists which contain some guidelines. Currently, members have to view it on the website. Thanks, any updates greatly appreciated.

On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:39, pnrfan@... wrote:

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date. 

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

Thanks
Trish




locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

David,

I clicked on your tiny url link and got taken to a blank page, even though the url appeared to be the same as the full url in your message.  Now, I understand what my friend from the Yahoo group is seeing.  This is the first time it has happened to me with groups.io.

Donna



locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

Another option for a database-like feature could be a link to a Google docs spreadsheet. That's what we switched to for my groups when the Yahoo database feature went kaflooey. We switched over to Wiggio for our group and there wasn't a database feature on there, but this alternative works fine for us. And since it's independent of any groups services, it's totally under our control. No groups service can decide they want to mess with the database feature and screw up our information. No matter what groups service we switch over to, the spreadsheet remains intact and everyone's bookmark remains the same. A calendar reminder periodically directs members to the link in case they are the type that doesn't understand or use bookmarks. Google docs allows you to set privacy and access controls, so you can give view or edit access as needed. For example, anyone with the link can view but only these 3 people (whose email addresses you've entered) can have edit access.

I actually like the spreadsheet better. Point, click and type. No worrying about where Yahoo has moved the add or edit buttons this week. Plus it was a lot easier for our non-techie members to ramp up on using the spreadsheet than it was for them to learn the Yahoo database feature.


If you have an existing Yahoogroups database, you can migrate it over by exporting it to a tab delimited format, then opening it up in Excel and save it to your computer. Then upload it to Google docs and let it convert to the Google doc format. It only takes a few minutes. I just did three databases this morning.

Trish



On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, <robertgmam@...> wrote:
I fully agree with you, Duane. There may be a place for this 'wiki' thing for those that like faffing about with such things, but many groups will need a database in the traditional sense.

Robert.

-----Original Message----- From: Duane
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:14 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

Chris,

I have to disagree with your point #1.  On the Yahoo groups I was on, many with 1000 members or more, the databases were mostly updated by users.  They could have been maintained by an owner/moderator, but that would have created more work for them.  I found out how important this was when I started alternative groups on another service.  Users will send me updates, I integrate them into the file, and upload the new version.  When updates are frequent, it takes a lot of time.

I've done some testing to see if a Wiki page would work, but it's somewhat limited and not very intuitive.  It looks to me like it would get clumsy after more than a few entries were needed.

Duane